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Old 01-24-2012, 08:31 PM   #61
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I have to admit I was a history major, American Military History to be exact, and I do not want to get into a debate on the causes of the Civil War... but, as this is a thread about the flag, I do want to clarify that.

This is the "Stars and Bars"

This is the "Confederate Battle Flag"
Correct. I'd wager a very small percentage of people know much about the many flags of the CSA or their names.

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It's an interesting topic, one that's sensitive to a lot of people but more importantly only understood by a few. I would guess most people on both sides are severely uneducated on the topic.

I have a modified version of it tattooed on my arm. I live in SC. I'm also married to a black woman. So I've had "that talk" dozens on times with people, including her family.

I'm for both sides, as long as you understand and can logically defend your belief.

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Im not offended by it. the flag is not offensive. what is offensive is the fact that our children are being told in school that they should be offended by it. i agree that many people fly it for the purpose of offense, but let us not forget what the civil war was fought over...the public school system says slavery, but this is not true. the civil war was fought over cotton. the only reason the slaves became an issue was because lincoln wanted to teach the south a lesson and remove their source of free labor. the stars and bars didnt stand for slavery, or racial oppression, they stood for a group of states fighting for what they believed in, and exercising their rights given to them in the constitution . its truly a shame that people have been told to think like this. but it directly reflects the amount of political correctness that our country has fallen under. so while i know that many people do fly the stars and bars to prove a not so subtle point, you have to remember the true meaning of the flag in order to pass judgement on it. thats my 2 cents.
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A bunch of white, mostly conservative (from my observations, and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner) folks discussing whether or not the Confederate flag is offensive to them. Now there's a laugh.
where's the laugh? I can't seem to find it. one group of people dont own the right to discuss whether the confederate flag offends them. it's part of American history and as American we can discuss it. hell, people around the world can discuss their opinion on it and it wouldn't make any difference
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^Read a History book. And I bet you think the "War on Terror" is ALL about terrorists too.

What's funny is I was reading a thread about bumper stickers and a guy had one that said "White Pride" and everyone got so upset. Who cares what some guy has on HIS bumper! IT'S HIS BUMPER!!! I'm pretty sure Black people say "Black Pride" all the time. It has nothing to do with being a racist for most, of course some are and some aren't. It's just funny in the so called "Land of the Free" we fight with ourselves about stupid crap when it doesn't matter. If you don't like White people, don't go near them, if you don't like Black people, don't go near them. Don't have a pouty face and cry about equal rights, when you. It should be 50/50 if you can say stuff about one race, then the other should be able to say something about you with no freaking tears. Me personally, I think it is absolutely ignorant to hate someone because of the color of their skin, does that make me right. Who knows? This is 'Merica and in 'Merica we can believe what ever the heck we want to.
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Im not offended by it. the flag is not offensive. what is offensive is the fact that our children are being told in school that they should be offended by it. i agree that many people fly it for the purpose of offense, but let us not forget what the civil war was fought over...the public school system says slavery, but this is not true. the civil war was fought over cotton. the only reason the slaves became an issue was because lincoln wanted to teach the south a lesson and remove their source of free labor. the stars and bars didnt stand for slavery, or racial oppression, they stood for a group of states fighting for what they believed in, and exercising their rights given to them in the constitution . its truly a shame that people have been told to think like this. but it directly reflects the amount of political correctness that our country has fallen under. so while i know that many people do fly the stars and bars to prove a not so subtle point, you have to remember the true meaning of the flag in order to pass judgement on it. thats my 2 cents.
I agree with everything except that the war was fought over cotton. it was indeed fought over slavery. slavery became such an issue that congress was divided and no progress could be made for America as a whole without "balancing" slave to free states. slaves fueled the production of cotton but cotton was still a cash crop after the war, slaves were just a means of labor. did Lincoln do it to punish the south? debatable but that's just an opinion
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idk how you can read half this thread and say that but that's my opinion
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Im not offended by it. the flag is not offensive. what is offensive is the fact that our children are being told in school that they should be offended by it. i agree that many people fly it for the purpose of offense, but let us not forget what the civil war was fought over...the public school system says slavery, but this is not true. the civil war was fought over cotton. the only reason the slaves became an issue was because lincoln wanted to teach the south a lesson and remove their source of free labor. the stars and bars didnt stand for slavery, or racial oppression, they stood for a group of states fighting for what they believed in, and exercising their rights given to them in the constitution . its truly a shame that people have been told to think like this. but it directly reflects the amount of political correctness that our country has fallen under. so while i know that many people do fly the stars and bars to prove a not so subtle point, you have to remember the true meaning of the flag in order to pass judgement on it. thats my 2 cents.
I am Southern, & always will be. Been involved in too many discussions about this very subject. Anymore, I usually just read & chuckle, but Firefighter here hit the nail on the head. I fully agree with what he has stated above. Most don't think of it this way, & that's just sad.
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My apologies. the civil war Started over Cotton. the north owned the majority of the textile companies, the south grew the cotton. the south was sending cotton north to these mills and the companies were marking up the textiles to a price point that most people couldnt afford. the cotton farmers took offense to this and that was what started the movement for the war. slavery did become the main reason for the war, but it was started over cotton. sorry im long winded on this subject. history major.
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Im not offended by it. the flag is not offensive. what is offensive is the fact that our children are being told in school that they should be offended by it. i agree that many people fly it for the purpose of offense, but let us not forget what the civil war was fought over...the public school system says slavery, but this is not true. the civil war was fought over cotton. the only reason the slaves became an issue was because lincoln wanted to teach the south a lesson and remove their source of free labor. the stars and bars didnt stand for slavery, or racial oppression, they stood for a group of states fighting for what they believed in, and exercising their rights given to them in the constitution . its truly a shame that people have been told to think like this. but it directly reflects the amount of political correctness that our country has fallen under. so while i know that many people do fly the stars and bars to prove a not so subtle point, you have to remember the true meaning of the flag in order to pass judgement on it. thats my 2 cents.
Being in High School I find it interesting that the Civil War is taught as a war fought souly over slavery and not other factors such as cotten and other resources.
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But yes DeFazio, your exactly right, the civil war was a war over slavery, it just didnt start that way
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This goes to PTWarrior. And everyone who is "pissed" about different languages . This is off topic.

I see your signature says "America is full. Go home." I partially understand, I used to feel partially the same, not really...After joining the military and seeing how many people are in the military that aren't from this country is surprising. I just want to say they are doing more with their life and giving more to this country then others. For the language part, who gives what language they speak. If people couldn't speak a different language then it wouldn't be a free country.

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This goes to PTWarrior. And everyone who is "pissed" about different languages . This is off topic.

I see your signature says "America is full. Go home." I partially understand, I used to feel partially the same, not really...After joining the military and seeing how many people are in the military that aren't from this country is surprising. I just want to say they are doing more with their life and giving more to this country then others. For the language part, who gives what language they speak. If people couldn't speak a different language then it wouldn't be a free country.

There is my rant

As for the dumb flag thread raise whatever flag you want as long as it's under the American flag
Like I understand that America is built on immigrants.
But at the same time our Language is English if you can't speak it. Thats your own fault. I shouldn't have to press one because there's people who can't speak the language in my country.
I wouldn't go to mexico or Germany ect with knowing a little about the langauage it's just rude. You come to my land you should be able to speak my language. I shouldn't have to learn spanish so you can come live here.
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Like I understand that America is built on immigrants.
But at the same time our Language is English if you can't speak it. Thats your own fault. I shouldn't have to press one because there's people who can't speak the language in my country.
I wouldn't go to mexico or Germany ect with knowing a little about the langauage it's just rude. You come to my land you should be able to speak my language. I shouldn't have to learn spanish so you can come live here.
Exactly, and everyone that I know, knows enough english to get by. If they new more would that be easier? yes but beggars can't be choosers. Your land? The peoples land. I know a ton of people who go to mexico and they know maybe 3 words of spanish.

In the end I'm just glad I was born and raised in the greatest country of all, the gull darn U.S of A
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Exactly, and everyone that I know, knows enough english to get by. If they new more would that be easier? yes but beggars can't be choosers. Your land? The peoples land. I know a ton of people who go to mexico and they know maybe 3 words of spanish.

In the end I'm just glad I was born and raised in the greatest country of all, the gull darn U.S of A
i meaning illegals that come in and take benifits form citizens that actually need them but im dropping it
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i meaning illegals that come in and take benifits form citizens that actually need them but im dropping it
This is my main problem, how does an illegal get better schooling opportunities then me? A U.S citizen who pays taxes and works
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I have the confederate flag in my garage and I am proud of my southern heritage. I have no racial bias. I hate that all the flack is going to the mexican population in regards to the spanish lanquage. Everbody has the right to speak and to have materials in their native tongue. I have spanish speaking, french speaking and german speaking friends.

Maybe it would be better if the phone lines said:

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i have the confederate flag in my garage and i am proud of my southern heritage. I have no racial bias. I hate that all the flack is going to the mexican population in regards to the spanish lanquage. Everbody has the right to speak and to have materials in their native tongue. I have spanish speaking, french speaking and german speaking friends.

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Exactly, and everyone that I know, knows enough english to get by. If they new more would that be easier? yes but beggars can't be choosers. Your land? The peoples land. I know a ton of people who go to mexico and they know maybe 3 words of spanish.

In the end I'm just glad I was born and raised in the greatest country of all, the gull darn U.S of A
I think he was trying to say go to live in a new country without knowing the language, not just visit. And I know plenty of Hispanics that don't speak a word of English, go to LA sometime, stop by home depot. And seeing as I am one of the people that makes this great country MY , HIS, and YOUR land. And Its not begging asking illegal immigrants to enter legally and speak English . It should be a requirement.
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where's the laugh? I can't seem to find it. one group of people dont own the right to discuss whether the confederate flag offends them. it's part of American history and as American we can discuss it. hell, people around the world can discuss their opinion on it and it wouldn't make any difference
When it's been used as a symbol to unite those who discriminate against your color, your religion, or your sexuality, your criticisms will mean something to me. Discuss it to your heart's content, but until you've been in the shoes of that person, you have no real perception of what it means. Until you walk a mile in their shoes, you just can't know. You can feel any way you want about it, but go and try to explain your stance to a Black person, or a Jewish person, or a Gay person.
Feel free to disagree, but you're not convincing me of anything different. Why? Because people in my family, people I love, have been on BOTH sides of this issue. Display the flag for all I care, but flaunt it or try to tell me is doesn't or shouldn't have this stigma attached to it, and I'll flat tell you you're wrong. Period.
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the flag doesnt directly offend me its the people who have a stars and bars and dont realize the relation between it and confed. states
when i lived in east texas assholes who had confed. beltbucckles phone covers ect. were racist fools who were dicks and would drag our school to a 79% pass rate

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