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Old 11-01-2012, 10:10 AM   #1
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Dog training question...any experts ?

Our beloved dog Sancho, 2 yr old half Lab half Golden, has a vey bad habit, and it`s starting to concern me. Every night, he goes around the neighborhood and picks trashbags ( full ), brings them to our front yard, opens them up, and spreads everything around the yard, piece by piece, like he`s playing chess on a board. I really really don`t want and will never tie him, and don`t have a fence yet, is there any solution to this by training him not to do it. I am also concerned about him getting sick from Leptospirosis which we have in the area, we already have lost a couple of good dogs to this desease. Please help.

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Old 11-01-2012, 10:36 AM   #2
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Underground fence?
I've trained labs in the past. The key to stopping them from a habit is to catch them doing it, and let them know that it's not acceptable. But, you have to catch them every time and correct them every time or they begin to think that sometimes its ok, but not others. In your case, you'd have better luck training him to stay home.

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Old 11-01-2012, 11:22 AM   #3
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The dog doesn't need training. The owner does. Most communities have leash laws. Be a responsible dog owner and don't allow your dog to run free. If it were my neighborhood animal control would be involved.
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The dog doesn't need training. The owner does. Most communities have leash laws. Be a responsible dog owner and don't allow your dog to run free. If it were my neighborhood animal control would be involved.
Amen!!!

A dog should NEVER be left to run free. He should be walked on a leash, in your house in a crate or in a fenced yard when you are not home. Dogs should also not be left on chains outside.

Your dog is not only at risk for Leptospirosis, but also of getting attacked by a wild animal or other dog, or worse at risk for biting a person.

Plus your dog is a nuisannce to your neghbors by getting in their garbage and more than likely messing in their yards.

In my town your dog would be picked up by animal control and if it happened more than once you would be fined.
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I have a pet safe containment system for my two dobermans. It is a rf system that can be set from 15' diameter to a 300' diameter. No wires to install. Great to travel with too. 300.00 at home Depot.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:32 PM   #6
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The dog doesn't need training. The owner does. Most communities have leash laws. Be a responsible dog owner and don't allow your dog to run free. If it were my neighborhood animal control would be involved.
Agreed. I don't have a fence either so I take my two dogs out on a leash.

Also -the standard DHLPP vaccine includes Leptospirosis, yet you've lost two dogs to it? Do you not vaccinate?
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Hey thanks for the replies all !!!

Whetstone, thanks for the advice. I`ll try to find a way to teach him to stay in our yard.

Daggo66 and Keschete, were I live, we don`t have rules like that, neither Laws about dogs ( only Pitbulls are banned ), we still solve problems as Good Neighbors, Good People, and Good Friends. All our dogs, and my neighbors, all run free, because we live in a Community with no fences, and nobody ties or cages or fences their pets. My neighbors dogs are VERY welcome in our house, and mine are very welcome in theirs, a dog for us is a true friend, an individual, not a possesion, and if I have to hold them from being totally free, I would not have them in our family. The day they ( the dogs ) start talking to me and tell me that they want a fence because they don`t want other dogs in our property, I will consider building a fence. Isn`t that what some humans do, build a fence in their yard, and in their hearts ?
One time my good friend-neighbor Paco came to me concerned about my dog eating his dog`s "Reina" food ( a very small chihuahua ), and he came to ask me which food I feed huge Sancho, so his daugther could get some food for Sancho too, and I told him, Paco, Reina comes here and eats our dogs food too, so lets make a deal, I take the huge bag of food to your house, and I pay for all, and we did, and since the dogs found that the food was the same in both houses, they stopped sharing it, they got smarter and saved the trip, win-win situation. No laws, no Lawyers, no rash, no problems, and I can still go to Paco`s and have a beer that he gets for me ( he does not like beer ), and Paco still comes to my house and has a drink of the Whiskey he likes that I get for him ( I don`t like Whiskey ). Well, thanks for reminding me how lucky we are on this matter.

Renegade, I think I like that Idea, but I will try to train him by catching him in the act, like whetstone said. I will leave trash bags in our own yard and wait to see if he gets close to them, and try to teach him that way. Thanks for the good advice.
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Ed, dogs got the shots, still Lepto is a strong disease, after watching two of my Labs bleed to death due to Lepto, I am still very concerned. So the question is more like; How do I teach my dogs not to eat/collect garbage ? Anywho, Sancho does not eat the garbage, he plays with the things he finds on it !!!!
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Hey thanks for the replies all !!!

Whetstone, thanks for the advice. I`ll try to find a way to teach him to stay in our yard.

Daggo66 and Keschete, were I live, we don`t have rules like that, neither Laws about dogs ( only Pitbulls are banned ), we still solve problems as Good Neighbors, Good People, and Good Friends. All our dogs, and my neighbors, all run free, because we live in a Community with no fences, and nobody ties or cages or fences their pets. My neighbors dogs are VERY welcome in our house, and mine are very welcome in theirs, a dog for us is a true friend, an individual, not a possesion, and if I have to hold them from being totally free, I would not have them in our family. The day they ( the dogs ) start talking to me and tell me that they want a fence because they don`t want other dogs in our property, I will consider building a fence. Isn`t that what some humans do, build a fence in their yard, and in their hearts ?
One time my good friend-neighbor Paco came to me concerned about my dog eating his dog`s "Reina" food ( a very small chihuahua ), and he came to ask me which food I feed huge Sancho, so his daugther could get some food for Sancho too, and I told him, Paco, Reina comes here and eats our dogs food too, so lets make a deal, I take the huge bag of food to your house, and I pay for all, and we did, and since the dogs found that the food was the same in both houses, they stopped sharing it, they got smarter and saved the trip, win-win situation. No laws, no Lawyers, no rash, no problems, and I can still go to Paco`s and have a beer that he gets for me ( he does not like beer ), and Paco still comes to my house and has a drink of the Whiskey he likes that I get for him ( I don`t like Whiskey ). Well, thanks for reminding me how lucky we are on this matter.

Renegade, I think I like that Idea, but I will try to train him by catching him in the act, like whetstone said. I will leave trash bags in our own yard and wait to see if he gets close to them, and try to teach him that way. Thanks for the good advice.
Sounds a lot like rural MO, people still treat each other with respect and handle issues without getting authorities involved for every little thing. I live in a neighborhood where everyone's house is on 3-6 acres and mostly separated by trees. We have a lot of dogs that come by to visit, eat off of our compost pile, and get a treat if my wife's home. Ours does the same, I'm sure. I haven't seen any scattering trash yet, but if I do I'm sure a quick phone call or friendly visit to the culprit's owner would do a lot more to solve the problem than having someone lose a family friend over it...
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Sounds a lot like rural MO, people still treat each other with respect and handle issues without getting authorities involved for every little thing. I live in a neighborhood where everyone's house is on 3-6 acres and mostly separated by trees. We have a lot of dogs that come by to visit, eat off of our compost pile, and get a treat if my wife's home. Ours does the same, I'm sure. I haven't seen any scattering trash yet, but if I do I'm sure a quick phone call or friendly visit to the culprit's owner would do a lot more to solve the problem than having someone lose a family friend over it...
Yeap, Rural is where I grew up, Rural is where I live, Rural is where I`ll die, where people still knows that Friendship is 1,000,000 times more powerfull than Law, which was made for those who forgot that fact.
Thanks for sharing and you are blessed too.
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Leptospirosis is spread by rodents and other wildlife. Dogs who allowed to run free are more likely to come in contact with animals that carry leptospirosis. So if you keep your dog in your home and on your property, and you vaccinate properly, you shouldn't have to watch your dogs die. You can live in a rural area, it still doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to care for your dog properly. Sorry, gonna step away now. I have rescued hundreds of dogs and I have also rehabbed wildlife. I won't say anything else, because it wouldn't be very helpful.......I can't educate someone who doesn't want to be educated.

Most of the infected wild animals and domestic animals that spread leptospirosis do not appear ill. In these animals, the leptospira have taken up residence in their kidneys. The type of infected reservoir animals varies from area to area. In some areas it is raccoons, in others, skunks, in some, rats. When reservoir animals void urine, they contaminate their environment with living leptospira. These carrier wildlife shed leptospira intermittently. Sometimes they shed for months and sometimes for life.
Pets can become infected by sniffing this urine. More often, the leptospira are washed by rains into standing water. Then pets wading, swimming or drinking the contaminated water, develop the disease. Although this is the way that leptospira usually pass from animal to animal, they can also enter through a bite wound or through the pets eating infected materials.
Because of these dynamics, pets and working breeds that spend time in wooded or swampy areas are more likely to catch leptospirosis. Dogs that spend their lives indoors or in areas that are not contaminated by carrier wildlife are less likely to become infected.
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You should have clarified that you live in Puerto Rico. No offense, but things are pretty backward there if dogs are allowed to roam free, yet "Pit Bulls", which isn't even a specific breed, are banned. How pathetic. Once again, the dog isn't the problem, the owner is. My son's PB is one of the sweetest most docile dogs I've ever known. I would trust it with a child more than my Border Collie.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:22 AM   #13
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Keschete and Daggo66, I find your comments harsh and rude, but I respect your individuality, sincerity and honesty, and I appreciate you taking the time to give me advice. Thanks to all.

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