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Old 08-21-2012, 11:17 PM   #31
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the eyeball part OMG....I totally forgot about that. Seriously...I think what that lady needs is counseling haha.

I dunno some of the stuff seems soooo far out there....I mean how in the heck could a real person even come to the conclusion to try that let alone become addicted. One thing is for sure....the entertainment value is out the roof...its like theres no way you can't watch that stuff lol.

Speaking of tv....I was wanting to check out that "One car too far" show....but missed it on Sunday....apparently I'll have to wait till next Sun to see it again. Did you watch?
No. I missed it. I think we're the only two people that didn't watch it. Everyone else seems to have seen it. :-/

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I think I'm going to have to turn in. I just dozed off for a minute. Lol. Made it longer than I thought I would. I think we made it about a third of the way to our goal... :-) Nice chatting with u... Enjoy the rest of your evening!

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I wouldn't go to tinkam.. its just logging and fire service roads. If you have never been to Seattle, I would say drive over Chinook pass. It will take you right past mt Rainer. Probably the prettiest drive in wa. Then if you decided to put it in 4 wheel drive, take the nachez trail back to the west side. You will come out at green water.
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I've actually gone top roping in an indoor gym before but I kinda barely think that counts. As long as you're not afraid of heights it's super easy. I'd actually never heard of bolted routes before. And I wouldn't mind going outside and doing the real thing as long as at first I didn't have to set everything up. I just always thought it was either indoor gym or you go out there with a couple friends and your own gear and get to it. I'm curious now... Although I'll have to wait til we move out west again. Not a lot of mountains in Augusta, GA. Ha. Doubt we even have an indoor gym here.

I'd definitely wait til the burn out passes then. At least you're still out doing something fun. You'll eventually get to where you're excited again to get out there.
Do you remember the rating on the routes you were on? So typically "real" rock climbing (should be roped) starts at class 5. Class 3 and Class 4 and even low Class 5 are considered scrambling which requires no special safety equipment. Class 5.4 is considered to be basically about the point where you should have a rope on you for safety and I believe the highest rated route in the world is like a 5.14c or something. If you were climbing stuff that was 5.7 or 5.8 in the gym then you are more than ready for outdoor climbing. Point is though....you can get as difficult as you want in the gym on toprope routes....at least at our gym you could get on stuff that is rated up to 5.13 . I was nowhere near close to that level....basically the general gist is that when you can start climbing 5.10 and up you have broken into the more serious levels...most nonprofessionals never make it out of the 5.10 range....and to get into 5.11 and up stuff you have to be seriously dedicated. Last time I was there I was just starting to top out on 5.10a routes which I was stoked over....took quite a while to get to that level even but I couldn't imagine doing a 5.11 haha. Another thing to realize is that outdoor ratings differ at every different climbing area it seems....the person who "sends" the route for the first time usually names it and rates it so sometimes things that are rated 5.8 seem like a 5.6 and sometimes they seem like a 5.10. I found outdoor ratings to be harder than in the gym...so for me I was most comfortable on 5.8 or 5.9 in the gym and I would do 5.6 or 5.7 on trad and usually 5.8 or 5.9 on bolted routes.

Yea so you need to look into sport climbing. Most of the outdoor cragging areas are bolted these days so you will find plenty of stuff to get on. Basically the way the route is set up is that there will be a bolt every so far up the wall (like every 8ft or so) and you will have a set of chains on the top. The best part is that there will be alot of spots that you will be able to just walk up the backside of the wall and hook up the toprope without actually needing someone to lead up to do it.

If you want to get on some stuff that will require leading up, one of your climbing partners will need to be able to sportlead and they will have about 12-24 quickdraws and a rope with a belayer on one end. The lead climber still takes risk of a longer fall on sport routes just like with trad (you will fall twice the distance to your last clipped bolt so with 8ft spacing a lead fall could be 16 feet) so they dont have the safety of a toprope....but the point is that the bolts are secure and you dont have to worry about a zipper effect pulling gear off the wall. That said....the leader will work their way up to the chains on top clipping at every bolt and then will hook a couple quickdraws to the chains to run the rope through for a top rope anchor. Then then will typically use their belay device to rappel back down to the ground while collecting the draws they clipped on the way up. From that point you can climb just like you did in the gym with a belayer.

Move out west again? Where are you from? Why did you move to GA? I have heard that there is some good cragging down there Alabama, Georgia so definately check into it ( I know at least they have some bad whitewater rafting/kayaking so anywhere with that kind of terrain typically has climbing opportunities)! I would be surprised if the bigger areas like ATL wouldn't have an indoor gym!

For sure...I'll do it again...but right now I'm enjoying the break. When I do get back in I'm going to be sure not to overdo it again to avoid burnout...but just this talking about it kinda has me a bit excited not gonna lie lol
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I think I'm going to have to turn in. I just dozed off for a minute. Lol. Made it longer than I thought I would. I think we made it about a third of the way to our goal... :-) Nice chatting with u... Enjoy the rest of your evening!
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Do you remember the rating on the routes you were on? So typically "real" rock climbing (should be roped) starts at class 5. Class 3 and Class 4 and even low Class 5 are considered scrambling which requires no special safety equipment. Class 5.4 is considered to be basically about the point where you should have a rope on you for safety and I believe the highest rated route in the world is like a 5.14c or something. If you were climbing stuff that was 5.7 or 5.8 in the gym then you are more than ready for outdoor climbing. Point is though....you can get as difficult as you want in the gym on toprope routes....at least at our gym you could get on stuff that is rated up to 5.13 . I was nowhere near close to that level....basically the general gist is that when you can start climbing 5.10 and up you have broken into the more serious levels...most nonprofessionals never make it out of the 5.10 range....and to get into 5.11 and up stuff you have to be seriously dedicated. Last time I was there I was just starting to top out on 5.10a routes which I was stoked over....took quite a while to get to that level even but I couldn't imagine doing a 5.11 haha. Another thing to realize is that outdoor ratings differ at every different climbing area it seems....the person who "sends" the route for the first time usually names it and rates it so sometimes things that are rated 5.8 seem like a 5.6 and sometimes they seem like a 5.10. I found outdoor ratings to be harder than in the gym...so for me I was most comfortable on 5.8 or 5.9 in the gym and I would do 5.6 or 5.7 on trad and usually 5.8 or 5.9 on bolted routes.

Yea so you need to look into sport climbing. Most of the outdoor cragging areas are bolted these days so you will find plenty of stuff to get on. Basically the way the route is set up is that there will be a bolt every so far up the wall (like every 8ft or so) and you will have a set of chains on the top. The best part is that there will be alot of spots that you will be able to just walk up the backside of the wall and hook up the toprope without actually needing someone to lead up to do it.

If you want to get on some stuff that will require leading up, one of your climbing partners will need to be able to sportlead and they will have about 12-24 quickdraws and a rope with a belayer on one end. The lead climber still takes risk of a longer fall on sport routes just like with trad (you will fall twice the distance to your last clipped bolt so with 8ft spacing a lead fall could be 16 feet) so they dont have the safety of a toprope....but the point is that the bolts are secure and you dont have to worry about a zipper effect pulling gear off the wall. That said....the leader will work their way up to the chains on top clipping at every bolt and then will hook a couple quickdraws to the chains to run the rope through for a top rope anchor. Then then will typically use their belay device to rappel back down to the ground while collecting the draws they clipped on the way up. From that point you can climb just like you did in the gym with a belayer.

Move out west again? Where are you from? Why did you move to GA? I have heard that there is some good cragging down there Alabama, Georgia so definately check into it ( I know at least they have some bad whitewater rafting/kayaking so anywhere with that kind of terrain typically has climbing opportunities)! I would be surprised if the bigger areas like ATL wouldn't have an indoor gym!

For sure...I'll do it again...but right now I'm enjoying the break. When I do get back in I'm going to be sure not to overdo it again to avoid burnout...but just this talking about it kinda has me a bit excited not gonna lie lol
I honestly have no idea what it was rated. I'm sure it wasn't the most difficult. I think it just seems easier because the place you can steps are laid out pretty clear. On a rock I don't think they'd be as obvious.

I also like the idea that the person who sets everything up is also at risk if they mess something up. It's kinda like sky diving. I know I want to do that some day but only if someone is using the same chute as me... They're a lot more likely to make sure it's packed right before we jump.

I'm originally from Albuquerque. Move out here for school/work. Ya, I'm sure Atlanta has one... At least. It just wouldn't be a super regular thing at 3 hrs away.
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I honestly have no idea what it was rated. I'm sure it wasn't the most difficult. I think it just seems easier because the place you can steps are laid out pretty clear. On a rock I don't think they'd be as obvious.

I also like the idea that the person who sets everything up is also at risk if they mess something up. It's kinda like sky diving. I know I want to do that some day but only if someone is using the same chute as me... They're a lot more likely to make sure it's packed right before we jump.

I'm originally from Albuquerque. Move out here for school/work. Ya, I'm sure Atlanta has one... At least. It just wouldn't be a super regular thing at 3 hrs away.
Yea you were probably on something like a 5.5-5.6. You are right that on real rock its more difficult because you have to find your own holds, however, sometimes that makes it easier too because you aren't restricted to using a specific set of holds. You have free reign to use any part of the rock you are near. As far as it being obvious....one thing you will notice is that the best holds will typically have chalk marks on them from all the people that climbed before you, so you aren't completely in the dark as to what holds to use

As far as the skydiving goes....I've done both ways tandem and solo (AFF) and I will have to say that there is nothing like the feeling of deploying on your own and especially flying the canopy back down. That said...every rig has two chutes as you probably know, and the reserve chute has to be packed by an FAA certified rigger regardless if its a student rig or your own personal rig. They typically have to be repacked and checked every 6 months also. Once you get a USPA skydiving license you can buy your own rig and pack the main chute yourself (which isn't really that difficult) or you can also have a rigger at the dropzone pack it for you each time for a small fee. Now if you are a student or if you rent a rig from the dropzone....the main will be packed by a rigger every time. Truthfully...a complete failure of the main to open is pretty rare....more common are partial malfunctions like lineovers, slider hangup, or line twists and these are pretty easy to clear in the air.

What are you studying in school?
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Yea you were probably on something like a 5.5-5.6. You are right that on real rock its more difficult because you have to find your own holds, however, sometimes that makes it easier too because you aren't restricted to using a specific set of holds. You have free reign to use any part of the rock you are near. As far as it being obvious....one thing you will notice is that the best holds will typically have chalk marks on them from all the people that climbed before you, so you aren't completely in the dark as to what holds to use

As far as the skydiving goes....I've done both ways tandem and solo (AFF) and I will have to say that there is nothing like the feeling of deploying on your own and especially flying the canopy back down. That said...every rig has two chutes as you probably know, and the reserve chute has to be packed by an FAA certified rigger regardless if its a student rig or your own personal rig. They typically have to be repacked and checked every 6 months also. Once you get a USPA skydiving license you can buy your own rig and pack the main chute yourself (which isn't really that difficult) or you can also have a rigger at the dropzone pack it for you each time for a small fee. Now if you are a student or if you rent a rig from the dropzone....the main will be packed by a rigger every time. Truthfully...a complete failure of the main to open is pretty rare....more common are partial malfunctions like lineovers, slider hangup, or line twists and these are pretty easy to clear in the air.

What are you studying in school?
I think there were several different routes marked with different colors of chalk. I just kinda made up my own. Lol.

I'd live to go sky diving next time I'm in Albuquerque. Maybe I can convince my sister to go with me. Ha... That probably won't happen. Where were u when u went?

I'm kind of at a stand still with school. I finished 2 years and because I'm still not sure what I want to major in I'm kinda taking a timeout. Don't want to waste money on a degree I won't use. I'm working as an assistant photographer right now. Not sure if that's what I'd want to do for the rest of my life or not. Normally I'm very decisive but unfortunately when it comes to doing one thing for 20 or 25 years I have a harder time choosing. Ha. I'm a good student and I don't even really mind school so I wish I could just hurry up and figure it out! I'm thinking of doing sociology but no idea what I'd do with it.
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I think there were several different routes marked with different colors of chalk. I just kinda made up my own. Lol.

I'd live to go sky diving next time I'm in Albuquerque. Maybe I can convince my sister to go with me. Ha... That probably won't happen. Where were u when u went?

I'm kind of at a stand still with school. I finished 2 years and because I'm still not sure what I want to major in I'm kinda taking a timeout. Don't want to waste money on a degree I won't use. I'm working as an assistant photographer right now. Not sure if that's what I'd want to do for the rest of my life or not. Normally I'm very decisive but unfortunately when it comes to doing one thing for 20 or 25 years I have a harder time choosing. Ha. I'm a good student and I don't even really mind school so I wish I could just hurry up and figure it out! I'm thinking of doing sociology but no idea what I'd do with it.
You were cheating lol. The funny thing is though...its not considered cheating to make up your own route outdoors

Haha well if you are ever in the Seattle area I'd be more than happy to do a jump with ya...first jump was out here and I started doing the AFF course at the same dropzone. I got through level 2 of the solo jumps and truthfully kinda scurred myself on the last on lol. So the way it works is that for AFF levels 1-5 you are exiting the airplane with your own parachute but also with 2 instructors...basically they are positioned on either side of you holding onto your harness and will help prevent you from seriously mucking up during the crucial seconds of exit known as "the hill" where you essentially go from being vertical body position to a stable horizontal body position. So pretty much the rule is that as you step out of the door you want to arch your back hard and look up!! Well I looked down....and then the next thing I know I am tumbling seeing sky, ground, sky, ground and I lose the instructor on the RH side of me. This was going on for probably multiple seconds...and pretty much they teach you that if you get out of control you need to arch and relax....I arched as best I could considering the circumstances and eventually we got into a stable face down position (I am still not sure how much of a role the other instructor played to get us back to stable). At that point I just focused on my drills....check the altimeter, complete practice pulls, and 6000 ft. wave off and pull. I was actually surprised at how much extra time we actually had to complete everything considering it felt like I was out of control for a while up there. Worst case scenario there if I would have lost my other instructor and not been able to stabilize my body I would have had to just pull immediately regardless of what position I was in....if the main got tangled then you chop it and pull the reserve which is actually spring loaded and much less likely to have a problem upon opening. Assuming I couldn't pull at all or went unconcious...every student rig has an AAD which will automatically deploy the reserve at a certain altitude (I think its like 1000 feet or something). So in reality it wasn't a huge deal, but it did kind of reign in my drive to get the license and I haven't jumped since.

I hear ya with that....in my experience so far any career eventually turns into a job if you "have" to be there every day. I got an engineering degree and I love what I do...but that doesn't mean I'm not always looking for ways to build residual income or become financially independent. I'd love to start my own business at some point or do something where I can come and go as I please....I find my creativity and productivity levels are so much higher when I can put effort into something I feel strongly about and do it when I feel like it haha. I say as far as a degree...pick something you can actually easily get a job with....especially in these times its really critical.

How long have you been doing photography? I took a class in college and it was pretty fun...although I wanted to do digital, they made us do fundamentals of photography first which was all film. I do have to say though developing the film was pretty fun.
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You were cheating lol. The funny thing is though...its not considered cheating to make up your own route outdoors

Haha well if you are ever in the Seattle area I'd be more than happy to do a jump with ya...first jump was out here and I started doing the AFF course at the same dropzone. I got through level 2 of the solo jumps and truthfully kinda scurred myself on the last on lol. So the way it works is that for AFF levels 1-5 you are exiting the airplane with your own parachute but also with 2 instructors...basically they are positioned on either side of you holding onto your harness and will help prevent you from seriously mucking up during the crucial seconds of exit known as "the hill" where you essentially go from being vertical body position to a stable horizontal body position. So pretty much the rule is that as you step out of the door you want to arch your back hard and look up!! Well I looked down....and then the next thing I know I am tumbling seeing sky, ground, sky, ground and I lose the instructor on the RH side of me. This was going on for probably multiple seconds...and pretty much they teach you that if you get out of control you need to arch and relax....I arched as best I could considering the circumstances and eventually we got into a stable face down position (I am still not sure how much of a role the other instructor played to get us back to stable). At that point I just focused on my drills....check the altimeter, complete practice pulls, and 6000 ft. wave off and pull. I was actually surprised at how much extra time we actually had to complete everything considering it felt like I was out of control for a while up there. Worst case scenario there if I would have lost my other instructor and not been able to stabilize my body I would have had to just pull immediately regardless of what position I was in....if the main got tangled then you chop it and pull the reserve which is actually spring loaded and much less likely to have a problem upon opening. Assuming I couldn't pull at all or went unconcious...every student rig has an AAD which will automatically deploy the reserve at a certain altitude (I think its like 1000 feet or something). So in reality it wasn't a huge deal, but it did kind of reign in my drive to get the license and I haven't jumped since.

I hear ya with that....in my experience so far any career eventually turns into a job if you "have" to be there every day. I got an engineering degree and I love what I do...but that doesn't mean I'm not always looking for ways to build residual income or become financially independent. I'd love to start my own business at some point or do something where I can come and go as I please....I find my creativity and productivity levels are so much higher when I can put effort into something I feel strongly about and do it when I feel like it haha. I say as far as a degree...pick something you can actually easily get a job with....especially in these times its really critical.

How long have you been doing photography? I took a class in college and it was pretty fun...although I wanted to do digital, they made us do fundamentals of photography first which was all film. I do have to say though developing the film was pretty fun.
Congrats on getting your license! That's awesome. Even if u don't use it it's a fun thing to be able to say you have. :-) Not many people can say that! Haha. It would be pretty cool to do a dive where it's all u doing everything... Definitely would add to the adrenaline rush! I might black out with that much pressure. Lol. But I guess as u said there's an AAD so that would make a person feel better. It'll probably be QUITE a while before I make it up to Seattle but I have always wanted to visit that region. Maybe someday. :-)

I agree with you that I'm much more productive when I'm enjoying what I do. I enjoy what I'm doing now but there is definitely a certain level of future job security that comes with having a bachelor's degree.

I've been doing photography for about 5 years. Managed a studio for 3 before I moved here. Now the lady I work with and i do mostly weddings and sports pix. That kinda stinks they made you do film first. I've actually never even worked with it. I'm sure it's extremely fun to do but unfortunately it's doesn't really translate to what's being used today. Today u need to understand lighting, the basics of how to set up a good photo and almost HAVE to know photoshop.
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Congrats on getting your license! That's awesome. Even if u don't use it it's a fun thing to be able to say you have. :-) Not many people can say that! Haha. It would be pretty cool to do a dive where it's all u doing everything... Definitely would add to the adrenaline rush! I might black out with that much pressure. Lol. But I guess as u said there's an AAD so that would make a person feel better. It'll probably be QUITE a while before I make it up to Seattle but I have always wanted to visit that region. Maybe someday. :-)

I agree with you that I'm much more productive when I'm enjoying what I do. I enjoy what I'm doing now but there is definitely a certain level of future job security that comes with having a bachelor's degree.

I've been doing photography for about 5 years. Managed a studio for 3 before I moved here. Now the lady I work with and i do mostly weddings and sports pix. That kinda stinks they made you do film first. I've actually never even worked with it. I'm sure it's extremely fun to do but unfortunately it's doesn't really translate to what's being used today. Today u need to understand lighting, the basics of how to set up a good photo and almost HAVE to know photoshop.
Haha so thats the thing...I didn't actually get the license . It was my original goal but in order to get it you need do a total of 25 jumps (the first 7 are part of the AFF program and the other 18 are all completely solo jumps with no instructor). Basically I have only done 2 jumps + the tandem jump I did first, so I am pretty far off from actually getting it. I don't really know that I would even try for it at this point....but I wouldn't mind at least going for another jump since it has been about a year since my last one. I kinda forgot how exciting it was...although I do have a video of my first one that I refer back to every once in a while when I need a "kick in the pants" to do something haha. The feeling is pretty awesome...it is like you are in a state of an adrenaline high for like at least a day or two afterwards....its pretty unreal.

I was also kind of unsure at first how I would react up there...but truthfully once it happens you go into business mode and just do what you need to do. Before they cut you loose for an AFF jump you have to go through a training class that lasts the majority of the day and if you are lucky you can get that first jump in on the same day, but some people might have to come back on another day to do it. They have a mockup of the airplane door and you practice exits and go over malfunctions and how to clear them....its really good and not like you are just shoved out to fend for yourself. For me actually piloting the canopy was so much more fun than even the freefall....you are just kind of floating around and get to take in more of the signts. Especially the dropzone I went to has backdrops of Mt. Rainier, Mt. Adams, and the Olympic mountains so its just beautiful.

Well the thing with film is you still learn the fundamentals of lighting and picture composition. We learned how changes in film speed, aperature size, shutter speed, focal length, and external lighting etc. change the quality of the photo and how you can use each to achieve a different result. This apparently all translates to digital...its just that you are doing it on an image sensor rather than on an emulsified film. I agree that the details are completely different though, and how you achieve the final result requires different skills. I use photoshop a little but mainly for resizing images...not really that adept with it for touching up or altering photos. How did you get into photography? What kind of camera do you use?
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Haha so thats the thing...I didn't actually get the license . It was my original goal but in order to get it you need do a total of 25 jumps (the first 7 are part of the AFF program and the other 18 are all completely solo jumps with no instructor). Basically I have only done 2 jumps + the tandem jump I did first, so I am pretty far off from actually getting it. I don't really know that I would even try for it at this point....but I wouldn't mind at least going for another jump since it has been about a year since my last one. I kinda forgot how exciting it was...although I do have a video of my first one that I refer back to every once in a while when I need a "kick in the pants" to do something haha. The feeling is pretty awesome...it is like you are in a state of an adrenaline high for like at least a day or two afterwards....its pretty unreal.

I was also kind of unsure at first how I would react up there...but truthfully once it happens you go into business mode and just do what you need to do. Before they cut you loose for an AFF jump you have to go through a training class that lasts the majority of the day and if you are lucky you can get that first jump in on the same day, but some people might have to come back on another day to do it. They have a mockup of the airplane door and you practice exits and go over malfunctions and how to clear them....its really good and not like you are just shoved out to fend for yourself. For me actually piloting the canopy was so much more fun than even the freefall....you are just kind of floating around and get to take in more of the signts. Especially the dropzone I went to has backdrops of Mt. Rainier, Mt. Adams, and the Olympic mountains so its just beautiful.

Well the thing with film is you still learn the fundamentals of lighting and picture composition. We learned how changes in film speed, aperature size, shutter speed, focal length, and external lighting etc. change the quality of the photo and how you can use each to achieve a different result. This apparently all translates to digital...its just that you are doing it on an image sensor rather than on an emulsified film. I agree that the details are completely different though, and how you achieve the final result requires different skills. I use photoshop a little but mainly for resizing images...not really that adept with it for touching up or altering photos. How did you get into photography? What kind of camera do you use?
25?! That's SO MANY! Ya, that would take a long time and I think I might be over the rush by then. Haha. Doubtful... I guess u r still plummeting from the sky. Lol.

Those places sound a lot more interesting than the middle of the New Mexico desert. Haha.

Ok. That makes sense then. U do need to know your f-stops, shutter speeds, etc. Pretty critical! :-) It's amazing how many people try to become professional photographers and don't know all that.

So what kind of business would u want to open some day? Or have u put any thought into it?
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25?! That's SO MANY! Ya, that would take a long time and I think I might be over the rush by then. Haha. Doubtful... I guess u r still plummeting from the sky. Lol.

Those places sound a lot more interesting than the middle of the New Mexico desert. Haha.

Ok. That makes sense then. U do need to know your f-stops, shutter speeds, etc. Pretty critical! :-) It's amazing how many people try to become professional photographers and don't know all that.

So what kind of business would u want to open some day? Or have u put any thought into it?
We are only 1/7 of the way to our goal now lol

Well I have a couple designs I am working on in my spare time...one at least could be worthwhile to try to market and produce on my own. I'm really just at conceptual stage at this point though...although I haven't put full effort into it yet....just kind of a side thing. But if that didn't take off I would consider doing some consulting...and I am also almost at the point of getting into some real estate investing. Apartment complexes are where its at IMO...but you have to start small and work your way up to the big stuff due to the high initial cost....I'm looking at getting into a quadplex to start out with so we shall see how that goes. How about you? Have you ever thought of going it on your own?
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We are only 1/7 of the way to our goal now lol

Well I have a couple designs I am working on in my spare time...one at least could be worthwhile to try to market and produce on my own. I'm really just at conceptual stage at this point though...although I haven't put full effort into it yet....just kind of a side thing. But if that didn't take off I would consider doing some consulting...and I am also almost at the point of getting into some real estate investing. Apartment complexes are where its at IMO...but you have to start small and work your way up to the big stuff due to the high initial cost....I'm looking at getting into a quadplex to start out with so we shall see how that goes. How about you? Have you ever thought of going it on your own?
We're actually making negative progress... That's good. Haha. Oh well...

What kind of consulting? Apartments are definitely where it's at. My grandpa did that for a while but it eventually just got to be too much for him. He had between 4 and 8... Don't remember. Definitely a good idea to diversity.

It'll be a while before I do anything on my own business wise. Augusta's not where I see myself being forever and I like to go out of town and visit people a lot which I feel u can't do a ton of when you own your own business. And I don't want to take on that much financially at this point in my life.
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We're actually making negative progress... That's good. Haha. Oh well...

What kind of consulting? Apartments are definitely where it's at. My grandpa did that for a while but it eventually just got to be too much for him. He had between 4 and 8... Don't remember. Definitely a good idea to diversity.

It'll be a while before I do anything on my own business wise. Augusta's not where I see myself being forever and I like to go out of town and visit people a lot which I feel u can't do a ton of when you own your own business. And I don't want to take on that much financially at this point in my life.
So did he have a property manager for his units? The property manager will take care of all the advertising, maintenance, tenants, etc. and for the most part you just need to manage the cash flow. I know of multiple people that own complexes on the other side of the country and they only visit like a couple times per year. You have pretty much total freedom to do and go as you want. Pretty much though you aren't going to get that in a smaller place...you will need to do all of it yourself due to the profit margin is much less. I think the "loser" in real estate is single family homes....trying to rent out and maintain multiple houses and tenants could be overwhelming and the resale on a well established apartment complex will be much better.

As far as consulting, it would be similar to what I do now except I'd be able to work when and how much I dictated. Basically either CAD related support or manufacturing problem resolution.

It is definately a financial risk....but as they say no risk no reward. Maybe you could become a papparazi and sell some million dollar photos .

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So did he have a property manager for his units? The property manager will take care of all the advertising, maintenance, tenants, etc. and for the most part you just need to manage the cash flow. I know of multiple people that own complexes on the other side of the country and they only visit like a couple times per year. You have pretty much total freedom to do and go as you want. Pretty much though you aren't going to get that in a smaller place...you will need to do all of it yourself due to the profit margin is much less. I think the "loser" in real estate is single family homes....trying to rent out and maintain multiple houses and tenants could be overwhelming and the resale on a well established apartment complex will be much better.

It is definately a financial risk....but as they say no risk no reward. Maybe you could become a papparazi and sell some million dollar photos .

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List of most expensive celebrity photographs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ya, he managed them by himself. Major headache. He also had a few condos on the beach in Florida. U probably can guess how that went over the last few years. That's something u don't want to get into. Did the people u know that own complexes start small and build themselves up? That's good that u have people from whom u can learn from and see what mistakes they made if u do decide to go that route.

I could be a paparazzo. Now I just need to find some famous people in Augusta, GA. Hmm... This may take a while. Lol.

No risk, no reward just scares me when it comes to finances. The only debt I've ever had was for my Jeep and even that drives me crazy. Fortunately after next May I'll be done with that, too.
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Ya, he managed them by himself. Major headache. He also had a few condos on the beach in Florida. U probably can guess how that went over the last few years. That's something u don't want to get into. Did the people u know that own complexes start small and build themselves up? That's good that u have people from whom u can learn from and see what mistakes they made if u do decide to go that route.

I could be a paparazzo. Now I just need to find some famous people in Augusta, GA. Hmm... This may take a while. Lol.

No risk, no reward just scares me when it comes to finances. The only debt I've ever had was for my Jeep and even that drives me crazy. Fortunately after next May I'll be done with that, too.
Haha! I don't have to imagine I lived it . Lived in Cape Canaveral for about a year and half before moving up here....lets just say I was soooo happy to get out of there lol. But yea I lived in 3 different condo complexes while I was down there and man do I have some funny stories about those experiences.

Well most of those people I was referring to were people I knew of...I don't know them directly. One of my direct coworkers has a couple coin laundramats and a couple smaller duplexes but he manages on his own. I have read up on it a bit and it seems like that is almost how you have to start unless you can get a loan big enough to get into a large well established complex. Not likely to happen...so you have to start small and once your unit starts making profit you save that profit and use it and the sale of your current unit towards purchase of something a little bigger...and you just keep doing that until you get where you want to be. Definately not going to "happen" overnight, but its a pretty sure path to financial independence if you can manage it.

Oh Oh some of the most famous people of all time hail from Augusta Ga. Ever heard of Laurence Fishburne or Hulk Hogan lol? I wonder what a candid shot of the Hulkster would go for on open market these days?

Yay for paying off the Jeep! Btw I still haven't seen a pic of your Jeep yet....so post one up!

No college debt for you either? Sounds like you are a pretty responsible lady
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Haha! I don't have to imagine I lived it . Lived in Cape Canaveral for about a year and half before moving up here....lets just say I was soooo happy to get out of there lol. But yea I lived in 3 different condo complexes while I was down there and man do I have some funny stories about those experiences.

Well most of those people I was referring to were people I knew of...I don't know them directly. One of my direct coworkers has a couple coin laundramats and a couple smaller duplexes but he manages on his own. I have read up on it a bit and it seems like that is almost how you have to start unless you can get a loan big enough to get into a large well established complex. Not likely to happen...so you have to start small and once your unit starts making profit you save that profit and use it and the sale of your current unit towards purchase of something a little bigger...and you just keep doing that until you get where you want to be. Definately not going to "happen" overnight, but its a pretty sure path to financial independence if you can manage it.

Oh Oh some of the most famous people of all time hail from Augusta Ga. Ever heard of Laurence Fishburne or Hulk Hogan lol? I wonder what a candid shot of the Hulkster would go for on open market these days?

Yay for paying off the Jeep! Btw I still haven't seen a pic of your Jeep yet....so post one up!

No college debt for you either? Sounds like you are a pretty responsible lady
The first part will be a ton of work but you're right... It'll eventually pay off. And eventually you'll have it built up to where you're making an income for doing very little and can keep that going well beyond retirement age. A nice little bonus for your golden years.

I certainly have heard of them but I highly doubt either of them spend any time here anymore. Lady Antebellum is I think the only shot I have and I'm not sure they're worth as much as the Hulkster. :-)

Nope, no college debt either. I'm stingy with my money. Haha.

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The first part will be a ton of work but you're right... It'll eventually pay off. And eventually you'll have it built up to where you're making an income for doing very little and can keep that going well beyond retirement age. A nice little bonus for your golden years.

I certainly have heard of them but I highly doubt either of them spend any time here anymore. Lady Antebellum is I think the only shot I have and I'm not sure they're worth as much as the Hulkster. :-)

Nope, no college debt either. I'm stingy with my money. Haha.

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For sure...its like if you knew you could be successful what would you do? In this case...as long as you do the research and make sensible smart decisions and are willing to work for it....success is almost a guarantee. Ever watch the TV show Gold Rush lol? In a way thats similar....if you are willing to take on the higher initial cost to purchase equipment and get a claim.....basically just drill the ground and mine where you know there is gold and you can't lose. Its a sure fire plan....but not easy or cheap haha. Nothing good really seems to be unfortunately.

Good looking Jeep and same color as my old TJ cept'.....wait for it....it looks too clean . Gotta get a little mud on those Goodyear Wrangler MTR's (That is what they are right?) Wait...who am I talking lol . Anyways...love the camo seat covers too...nice touch! Are you a hunter?
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For sure...its like if you knew you could be successful what would you do? In this case...as long as you do the research and make sensible smart decisions and are willing to work for it....success is almost a guarantee. Ever watch the TV show Gold Rush lol? In a way thats similar....if you are willing to take on the higher initial cost to purchase equipment and get a claim.....basically just drill the ground and mine where you know there is gold and you can't lose. Its a sure fire plan....but not easy or cheap haha. Nothing good really seems to be unfortunately.

Good looking Jeep and same color as my old TJ cept'.....wait for it....it looks too clean . Gotta get a little mud on those Goodyear Wrangler MTR's (That is what they are right?) Wait...who am I talking lol . Anyways...love the camo seat covers too...nice touch! Are you a hunter?
When you KNOW you'll be successful and it's just a matter of working hard that's a totally different ball game. A much smaller chance of losing your a$$.

I know it's too clean. I even went out of my way to go through a massive mud puddle on a side road the other day while I was out and NOTHIN'. Not much is more beautiful than a Jeep covered in mud! I don't know what the tires are honestly. I told the guys at Goodyear I wanted the biggest tires with the deepest tread that would fit on my jeep without a lift and this is what I got. Ha.

I don't hunt. Just fish. I may go out to Oklahoma this fall and give it a go though. I love my seat covers. They were a Christmas gift this past year and I couldn't have picked out ones I'd like better. :-) I think I'm going to go to sleep now. I'll talk to u later! Sleep tight!
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When you KNOW you'll be successful and it's just a matter of working hard that's a totally different ball game. A much smaller chance of losing your a$$.

I know it's too clean. I even went out of my way to go through a massive mud puddle on a side road the other day while I was out and NOTHIN'. Not much is more beautiful than a Jeep covered in mud! I don't know what the tires are honestly. I told the guys at Goodyear I wanted the biggest tires with the deepest tread that would fit on my jeep without a lift and this is what I got. Ha.

I don't hunt. Just fish. I may go out to Oklahoma this fall and give it a go though. I love my seat covers. They were a Christmas gift this past year and I couldn't have picked out ones I'd like better. :-) I think I'm going to go to sleep now. I'll talk to u later! Sleep tight!
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