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Old 09-21-2006, 09:43 PM   #31
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Well, aren't we a humane race of beings? Mercifully killing so there will be no starvation. Let's all pat ourselves on the back for being the saviors we are.

Whatever.

Yall say what ya want. You will never convince me and obviously I am alone in this. I'm done with this thread.

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all i have to say is bang bang bitches, duck season opens up the first of october here and the blind is already and i have all after noon classes, yep my roommates are gonna hate me when i leave at 5am every day. im so excited especially after shooting my new gun this morning benelli super black eagle, she is lovely. happy hunting to all and anyone that wants some duck and is in maine lemme know there will be plenty in a couple weeks,
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Well said 04moneypit. Hunting is my passion. If I had to give it up you might as well build my box and dig my hole. I'm not saying hunting is for everone, so if you don't like hunting - don't hunt. But please don't try to take away something from me that means so much. After all how do you feel when trails are closed and the Enviro extreamists want to stop your Wheeling fun. Griz
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Here here, [U]to everyone-[U] I knew that when I started this thread I would open a large can of worms, and I appreciate the input. Nobody worry about jacking the thread, everybody does it and it usually makes for a more interesting read. But, let's try to keep this to hunting related chatter, because I would really love to hear about everyone's experiences (Good or bad), and relate a few of my own. I really enjoy reveling in the times spent in the woods or on the stream.
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Uhhh...how bout them Cowboys? Think they'll make it to the playoff this year? :o

J/K - I've been watching and thought a change of topic was in store...

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You think that is going to be a less controversial topic? Cowboys, you either love 'em or hate 'em. I am in the latter camp.
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You think that is going to be a less controversial topic? Cowboys, you either love 'em or hate 'em. I am in the latter camp.
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Ha ha, good one, glad to see a good sense of humor around here. First aid tj you sure keep everyone on their toes. Keep 'em coming.
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Well, aren't we a humane race of beings? Mercifully killing so there will be no starvation. Let's all pat ourselves on the back for being the saviors we are.

Whatever.

Yall say what ya want. You will never convince me and obviously I am alone in this. I'm done with this thread.
Bro, I greatly respect your opinion, yet I do not understand waving a flag on this subject. Hunting has been an American tradition, since the Mayflower landed on these shores. It is totally ok, to not hunt, and I am with you on that. I don't have the time, nor do I have the desire. But it does not make another person wrong, for enjoying this sport. It is simply a method of keeping our wildlife healthy. You do not have to agree with it, but at the same time, you should not feel the need to chastise the ones that depend on it. That is what makes this wonderful country so great. We still have freedoms, that other countries have taken away, from their citizens. Standing on one platform, or the other, is ok, as long as you let the ones that believe, and survive, on a healthy, legal, hunt. It really is OK.
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Just found out there is a bunch of left over doe tage in the unit I am going to be hunting in Oct. That will be 2 deer in one trip and enough meat to carry me through about 6 months. Elk season is probably a bust. Its Over for Archery this Sunday. I might be ableto get up 1 more day but I am sure the Elk have moved since the snow. I was hunting them between 10500 and 11500 ft. They tend to scatter a bit when they move lower. Also I am going to be looking for some Blue grouse next time up the hill. Anyone out there made meat yet? Griz
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Bro, I greatly respect your opinion, yet I do not understand waving a flag on this subject. Hunting has been an American tradition, since the Mayflower landed on these shores. It is totally ok, to not hunt, and I am with you on that. I don't have the time, nor do I have the desire. But it does not make another person wrong, for enjoying this sport. It is simply a method of keeping our wildlife healthy. You do not have to agree with it, but at the same time, you should not feel the need to chastise the ones that depend on it. That is what makes this wonderful country so great. We still have freedoms, that other countries have taken away, from their citizens. Standing on one platform, or the other, is ok, as long as you let the ones that believe, and survive, on a healthy, legal, hunt. It really is OK.
Well, I'm sorry that I've ruffled so many feathers. It's almost laughable to me some of the responses I have read here, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have expressed mine, which I feel strongly about, but I wasn't trying to convert anyone. Heck, one guy in here said he would lay down and die if he couldn't hunt. That's someone who feels stronger about this than I do. I don't even obsess over my Jeep that much.

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I have to agree with AmeriJeep… I have always found it funny that people call shooting an animal at 500 yards with a high powered rifle with a scope “sport”. Sport would be hunting grizzly bear with a knife… now that’s sport.


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Thank you, Frank. I'm glad I'm no longer the lone ranger here. I'm going to let this go, but I was thinking the exact same thing. How does someone planting grass that a deer likes to eat and then hiding in a tree and waiting for the deer to come qualify as hunting? I have the same thoughts about a duck blind.

A poor deer can't shoot back or even defend itself. Now if you were hunting sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! That's sporting.
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I primarily bow hunt. Do you think it is not sporting to spend many hours scouting, and learning the patterns and movements of the deer or turkey, practicing with your bow, so you don't wound animals because you are not competent to shoot, spending hours and hours on your stand in all kinds of weather just to get a shot? Is the only thing that would make it sporting if the deer could shoot back? You guys act like you just go out anywhere, throw out some seed, wait in a tree for 10 minutes and kill a deer. Just try sometime to get within 30 to 40 yards of a deer on his home territory. Or call a turkey into that kind of range.
Some days I don't even carry my weapon into the field. I take my camera instead. I do not tolerate people who break game laws, waste game, litter, tresspass or handle weapons carelessly. I also love to try new recipes for game and fish. I make a venison chili that will knock your socks off. There is nothing better than pan fried tenderloin with biscuits and gravy and eggs for breakfast. I occasionally even make jerky.
Just because it is not "your cup of tea", don't pass judgment on those of us who enjoy the SPORT.
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amerijeep...your veiws are highly respected..and yes I am a hunter...I don't hunt just for the sport... the trophy so to speak, I hunt for the food..I hunt dove, deer, geese, and turkey... I don't kill it if I don't eat it...We need to keep a manage on these and that is why we are allow to hunt them.... Farmers in the OK area beg hunters to hunt their land in the winter time for gesse, because they come in and tear their corps up, Deer get over populated and can cause diseases along with destroying farm land. And as stated in the above tread to track and learn the ways of these animals is the sport part of the hunt.The kill is only for the food, My rush is doing a still hunt for a deer who's tracks that I picked up in the deep woods and being able to determine its routes and the be able to sneak up on them without spookin them, that is where I get the rush of the sport....I may take a shot or may pass up of them depending on their age or sex, but the trill was being able to sneak up on something who's senses are more unbelieveable keen than mine.


Your veiws again on this is high respected and very understandable...I to love to just sit and watch the animals of the wild...what should be protested against is the proachers who kill outside of season and have no respect for the law that protects the animals...it is people like yourself that keep us in check to make sure that our wild life stays in tack, and makes us hunters respect the wild life more.
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Thanks Guys. I'm not mad at any of you. I know that yall are all responsible. It would just be irresponsible for me to not state my opinion. Animals don't have a voice, so someone should speak for them. I'd rather be a voice for them instead of on the other side.

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Well I stopped frying my brain from American History to add my 2 cents here. Dont get offended if I left out something or repeated something. My head hurts from studying. Everyone has valid points, I tend to agree with blu. Has anyone here actually seen a "deadfall". I have up close and personal. That is where the population of an animal has increased beyond the capabilities of the land. One year they had a clearing hunt where I went to high school. The deer were so sick that the average size was 90 LBS, in an area where I took home a Doe 3 years before that that weight in at 180 LBS. I dont agree with trophy hunters because alot of them take the big horn and strong genes out of the herds, simply for the bragging rights. We have basically taken the place of the top predators such as the wolves, panthers, and bears; they cull herds by taking the weakest animals, the predators that are left these days go after a weaker animal then the wild one, livestock usually. There will always be activists but in all reality the herds do need to be culled or they will overbreed and destroy themselves along with the land they are on. I do hunt, I hunt for the meat not the trophies. Therefore I personally believe in 1 shot 1 kill. I use a 300 Win Mag and it is sighted in at 350 yards. I have seen many hunters that are in it for the sport and actually took a rifle away from a guy that, in my opinion, didn't belong out there with a rifle. He got angry with me but I think a responsable hunter is a better one. My best shot was at 400 yards and I hit the heart killing the deer instantly so I guess I am a bit swayed that a hunter needs to know his weapons before hunting. I apologize for being blunt on the subject I like all of you , respect all of your opinions greatly, and dont want to offend anyone at all. We all have different veiws on different things and that is perfectly all right in my book.
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Well I stopped frying my brain from American History to add my 2 cents here. Dont get offended if I left out something or repeated something. My head hurts from studying. Blu is right in my opinion. Has anyone here actually seen a "deadfall". I have up close and personal. That is where the population of an animal has increased beyond the capabilities of the land. One year they had a clearing hunt where I went to high school. The deer were so sick that the average size was 90 LBS, in an area where I took home a Doe 3 years before that that weight in at 180 LBS. I dont agree with trophy hunters because alot of them take the big horn and strong genes out of the herds, simply for the bragging rights. We have basically taken the place of the top predators such as the wolves, panthers, and bears. There will always be activists but in all reality the herds do need to be culled or they will overbreed and destrot themselves along with the land they are on.
Well sell your gun and buy some sweet feed. Geez. Should we kill everything that is hungry?

Do what you want. If you think killing makes you a savior of the animal population, then so be it.
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Well sell your gun and buy some sweet feed. Geez. Should we kill everything that is hungry?

Do what you want. If you think killing makes you a savior of the animal population, then so be it.

I didnt mean to make it sound like that, I personally have never participated in a clearing hunt I just have seen them.
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This is the last question I have. What kind of animals did yall have in your areas that used to prey on deer before man killed the predators off? Dragons? Dinosaurs? There has never been anything large enough to prey on deer in Mississippi. Don't try to say wolves. They are scavengers. I don't know what mountain lions can do. There has never been one in Mississippi.
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This is the last question I have. What kind of animals did yall have in your areas that used to prey on deer before man killed the predators off? Dragons? Dinosaurs? There has never been anything large enough to prey on deer in Mississippi. Don't try to say wolves. They are scavengers. I don't know what mountain lions can do. There has never been one in Mississippi.
Bears (brown and black) and yes Timber wolves were there, also some reports of large cats also but Im not sure about that one, these were the large predators that were there. They just reintroduced wolves up there a few years back, my brother did a study on them for his DR degree. Im not origionally from Texas this is in Minnesota where I went to high school, the predators up there were killed off by pestacides, farmers and just normal citizens that were afraid of them. I have seen pics of the 30's and 40's with entire barn walls filled with wolf pelts and bear pelts.
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To my knowledge, bear have never preyed on deer. I know a lot about wolves. They could not even think about messing with a deer unless it was very young. Really, not even then. Wolves are scavengers. They eat things that are already dead.
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BTW I also am primarily a Bowhunter. If you think its easy try sneaking up to 40 yards on a Pronghorn in sage brush country. Even Elk are a challenge. I have had Elk to within 10 yards and could not get a shot. They are not called the Ghosts of the dark timber for nothing. I too hunt for food. I am just as happy putting a doe or cow Elk in the freezer as a buck or bull. I also use every thing of the animal. I eat the meat , tan the hide use the sinew for sewing the hide, make primitive tools from the bones or give them to my dogs and I have made glue from the hides and hoofs. Remember this also - While all 4 wheelers may not be hunters the majority of hunters own 4X4's. Their activities helps to keep trails open by adding to the number of users of the trails thus keeping the demand for the trails up and the pressure on the forest service and BLM to keep the trails open. There are alot of people out there who want to close all off road trails. I don't know about the rest of you but I like Wheeling through the wild. Having to go to a 4X4 park would get old quick. I also don't like the idea of having to pay to play especially when there is so many places I can go now in Colorado, Wyoming and Utah, any of whioch are 8 hours or less drive from my home. WE all need to respect each others opinions. Bickering and infighting will only devide us and weaken our positions to those who would take away our rights to go play in the Great Outdoors. So enough about weather you think hunting is right or wrong. This thread was to ask those who do hunt how their season was going and I for one would like to know what other hunters have been doing. Pictures would be great! Griz
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There is no bickering here. I respect all of your opinions. This is a discussion forum, and we were just talking.

I don't care if it is easy to bow hunt or not. That is beside the point.

and pictures would not be great, Griz. I don't want to see your kills.
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To my knowledge, bear have never preyed on deer. I know a lot about wolves. They could not even think about messing with a deer unless it was very young. Really, not even then. Wolves are scavengers. They eat things that are already dead.
Yes wolves will be scavengers but have been know to even attack humans when starving or defending themselves. I've even seen a pack of wolves take down a injured Elk in Montana one day from a peak through binoculars it was an amazing sight, but you are right the animal must be young, weak or injured. Bears are omnivores if needed they will kill large game the kodiaks, grizzly's, which is a brown bear, have been known to take down elk and deer when there is nothing to scavange or fish. Cougars will stalk there prey and eat primarily meat. But each one of they animals eats meat as a mainstay, at least from what I know and I am no expert. I guess essentially take the easiest way first and if there is no easy way kill the easiest animal with the least energy spent. You are correct though no bickering is needed here. I will end my side now. very great having this discussion also amerijeep
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Wolves are Not scavengers. I have seen a pack of wolves take down a healthy Cow Elk. They will work together and hamstring the elk and then go for the throat. I have also seen Cyotes chase deer in the same manner. Florida still has panthers (mountain lion or puma) and they were historically in Mississippi also but were killed off when the Europeans first settled there. Also Native Americans were were hunting the game animals and were compeating with the preditor species. Griz
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Wolves are Not scavengers. I have seen a pack of wolves take down a healthy Cow Elk. They will work together and hamstring the elk and then go for the throat. I have also seen Cyotes chase deer in the same manner. Florida still has panthers (mountain lion or puma) and they were historically in Mississippi also but were killed off when the Europeans first settled there. Also Native Americans were were hunting the game animals and were compeating with the preditor species. Griz

I'll concede that a wolf can take down a deer, but it aint happening where I am from there have never been wolves that large around here. Funny how wolves are considered native wildlife....
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Glad I could educate you then. Time to go have lunch and go work on the Jeep. Griz

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