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Old 05-13-2013, 02:09 PM   #31
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I fail to see why people say having kids is an accomplishment. It achieves nothing except introduce more pollution into an overpopulated world. I mean wow, we're already at a point where you can't even eat fish out of the ocean due to contamination and we're still adding to the population? If you want to nurture and raise something then just get a puppy.

I've come to realize having kids is really just a stereotype that many societies have created. It's almost like a 'script', if you follow it then you'll be considered "accomplished". If you deviate from it then you're a failure. I know many people who have kids because you're, uhm, 'supposed to' have kids but no one can really provide any real rationale behind it. Again, it all goes back to following society's 'script'.

The amount of napping I do, with dogs laying on top of me, is about the equal to the amount of stressing and driving around that my friend does with his two small children. I'll take the napping

Anyways, I just had to let that out.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:12 PM   #32
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I get the whole enjoy yer life while you're young before having kids, but nuttin' beats having my 2 Lil boys hopping up and down excited to be riding in "Papa's Jeep"... Also been shopping to get a lift kit and wheels and tires and can't wait to work on it with my 2 Lil boys.... You can have the best of both worlds... Just sayin'.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:37 PM   #33
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You get out of life what you put into it. You can knock having kids if you want to, but I have never heard of an old man on his death bed wishing he had spend more time sleeping with a dog in his lap when the end was near....

If you want to reduce your time on this planet down to trying to do as little as possible, then more power to you I guess. You can deny it as long as you want, but most everyone on the planet is biologically wired to want to reproduce. It certainly is not for everyone, and I commend those that recognize it is not for them before they reproduce and decide to be a crappy parent.

And I will grant you one thing, having a kid is no accomplishment at all. Raising a kid right, now that is a hell of an accomplishment, and like life itself, you get out of it what you put into it. I made sport teams, I have an engineering degree and an MBA, have had great jobs, good money, invested well, and so on and so on. I will tell you this though, my little ones are my legacy, period, raising them right is by far the most difficult thing I have had to do, and the thing I am most proud of. So please don't say raising kid's is no accomplishment.

Anyhow, please don't feel sorry for me if you see me in my JKU with two small kids in the back seat. I am happy as hell that they are there, and if it came down to it, would trade it for a rusty old gray corolla in a heartbeat, and would not lose a minute's sleep over it. Luckily for me, I put a ton of effort into education and career in my teens and twenties, and now I do not have to make those tough choices, I can have my cake and eat it too.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:43 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
Having kids is the greatest accomplishment in life.No amount of wealth or material things will make you feel better than the feeling you get standing there looking at your family. I married at 19 with a baby on the way. Everyone said it wouldnt last. 23 years later I am still married to my wonderful wife and I have a 22 yo daughter and son-in law and a 20 yo son in college and a 8 month old grand baby boy that I wouldnt trade anything for.

Yea it was hard when we started out we didnt have squat I was that guy in the grey car but years of hard work and I have almost anything a man could want plus my family.Lifes short and even shorter for some. You never know how many years your gonna have here so make the most of it and dont wait on material things to start a family. I have a friend who always said he wouldnt have kids ect ect. Well now he has 2 little ones at age 46 and they wear his as out and now he has some serious health issues and is afraid he is not going to live long enough to raise them. I also have some serious health issues but I have some peace of mind as mine are raised and I have fulfilled my part so I am good to check out when ever the good lord deems it time.

So yea you may have felt sorry for him and he may have well been sitting there thinking he would like to be you but in 20 years the tables will turn.He will be pulling up in his new Jeep and a sense of accomplishment you will never know.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:02 PM   #35
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i found quite the opposite.

rubicons always wave, saharas never, sports are a maybe unless they have mods then its a yes.

Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:13 PM   #36
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Ohioviper...... Very very well put. I wouldn't give up any of my 3 kids for anything on gods earth. And I would gladly give everything for them. EVERYTHING.....
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No thank you. No kids never wanted them never will. Always liked being the fun uncle with the toys. As with modifiying your jeep, to each their own. I've never judged anyone that had kids and cant stand when people say "you'd feel different if you had your own". I like to say to them do you want a pet snake etc well you'd feel different if you had your own. Anyone as I said to each their own. My other half is a teacher at a behavioral school so she gets her fill of kids on a daily basis.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:44 PM   #38
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Immortality does exist. It is in your children. Pass your genetic material down and a piece of you lives on forever. At least until that line is cut with no children.

Anyway, I have had guys in BMW's give me that look. I also have a look that that I shoot back that says, "No matter what you are driving, I am still having more fun driving mine."
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:58 PM   #39
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"...sense of accomplishment you will never know."

Lol, to each his own. I have experienced things, accomplishments if you will, that would not have been possible with children - and I don't plan on stopping. Some seek different treasures in this life, and that doesn't make them/us/ya'll any better or worse than a turkey, so to speak. 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness' - whatever that may be, right? I find what makes me happy, I hope you have too (sounds like it!).

I happen to think introducing children into this world is quite a cruel trick, and I have a very close relation with 3 nephews & neices; I see them daily and have their whole lives. I know the whole 'love of a child' deal, and would do anything for em. That said, my brother is a fool; he had 3.

If you wait to until you're ready, you won't be. If two people have more than two, they are illogical. It is not the time of Genesis and Father Abraham. We could maintain easily. Ideally, everyone on Earth would have 1 child for 4 generations, but forcing that imposes on the entire Pursuit of Happiness deal, and that ain't cool. So we continually grow, much like a cancerous cell in a host environment, burning through resources with no worries of tomorrows meals. But I digress...

On a side note, I am not the 1st born. I wonder how many of us 'pros' and 'cons' are each.

Oh yeah, CJs that are used wave, CJs refurb'd don't. YJs stock are 50/50, modded are 98%, TJs are 75%+ regardless, JKs 50/50, JKUs 30% - Just to cover all the crazy that is this thread.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:23 PM   #40
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Well for me........no kids, ever.. I have 4 nephews and 2 nieces, and i'm not close to any of them, nor am I close to my siblings. I am a firm believer that when you have children you live for them and I'm not cool with that. I don't care about my legacy or any of that. I live for me, I do what I want, and when I'm dead throw me in the ground and forget about me. That's just me though. I'm not knocking any of you guys for having kids. It's your life, do what you want with it.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:27 PM   #41
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What was this thread originally about?
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:32 PM   #42
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I think it was about a guy in a BMW looking depressed or something. Or someone caught a fish or something. Who care lets get back to talking mods on Jeeps.
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