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Old 01-31-2012, 10:42 AM   #61
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Can't post pics here at work, so I'll name a few now, add pics tomorrow.

We did have the entire set of model 94 winchester lever actions - sold them a few years back

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Browning never did anything for me. The company, that is, not John M. Just cant see the Justified price and the way the masses worship the buckmark....
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This is a Finnish M-39 Mosin Nagant. I got the barreled receiver from a friend who has since passed away. The rest I picked up from parts here and there. The bent bolt handle is from Jim Roberts, AKA The Boltman. It's a piece of art. I'll try to get a closer pic of the action so you can see his work.
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That's a sweet looking Mosin! The Finnish ones are the best.

I have most of the parts to build a heavy barrel Mosin. Just haven't decided what I want to do about a stock.
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Okay I have a question I would really like to get into reloading. Shells are getting too expensive. What would be a good reloading system ? I would like to start with my 308 ,243,and 7mm
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Okay I have a question I would really like to get into reloading. Shells are getting too expensive. What would be a good reloading system ? I would like to start with my 308 ,243,and 7mm
RCBS. Hands down. I have broken parts, called to get a part number only to have them take my address and send me several free parts, even after I admitted it was user error on my end!

Look for a rock chunker kit. Should include a book (most important part) press, scale and powder thrower, case lube and pad, debur tool, case brush, and primer. Invest the 15 bucks for a powder trickler (must have) and a tumbler from harbor freight will work well.
Dies will run about 50 a piece new. If you would have posted this about a month earlier, I had a set of 7rem mag dies I gave away to a friend (assuming that is the 7mm you refered too). Let me know if you have any questions...
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RCBS. Hands down. I have broken parts, called to get a part number only to have them take my address and send me several free parts, even after I admitted it was user error on my end!

Look for a rock chunker kit. Should include a book (most important part) press, scale and powder thrower, case lube and pad, debur tool, case brush, and primer. Invest the 15 bucks for a powder trickler (must have) and a tumbler from harbor freight will work well.
Dies will run about 50 a piece new. If you would have posted this about a month earlier, I had a set of 7rem mag dies I gave away to a friend (assuming that is the 7mm you refered too). Let me know if you have any questions...
No problem ill be asking more after i get it
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Okay I have a question I would really like to get into reloading. Shells are getting too expensive. What would be a good reloading system ? I would like to start with my 308 ,243,and 7mm
Find a friend or two that reloads rifle ammo. Reloading rifle ammo is a science and not nearly as easy as reloading handgun or shotshell loads. Your firends can show you the do's and dont's of rifle handloads. I am not trying to talk you out of it, infact I recommend it. I enjoy loading ammo as much if not more than shooting. I just want you to know it is not as easy as just buying a Rock Chucker Master Kit and away you go.
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Find a friend or two that reloads rifle ammo. Reloading rifle ammo is a science and not nearly as easy as reloading handgun or shotshell loads. Your firends can show you the do's and dont's of rifle handloads. I am not trying to talk you out of it, infact I recommend it. I enjoy loading ammo as much if not more than shooting. I just want you to know it is not as easy as just buying a Rock Chucker Master Kit and away you go.
I agree but I dont have friends that reload! That is why I posted on here. Ive seen lots of youtube vids on it, and I think with doing it by the book I should be okay. I have no other option in the matter.
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I agree but I dont have friends that reload! That is why I posted on here. Ive seen lots of youtube vids on it, and I think with doing it by the book I should be okay. I have no other option in the matter.
Join gun boards and find friends. What most beginners fail to realize is the book is max load and that is where they start. Start at 85% of what the book says and work your way upt to a good shooting round.
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Join gun boards and find friends. What most beginners fail to realize is the book is max load and that is where they start. Start at 85% of what the book says and work your way upt to a good shooting round.
I can barely keep up with this one. Driving truck keeps me very busy
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Reloading....do the math.

Primers, casings, powder, slugs...individually add up to about 70-80% of production ammo costs.

On .45 ammo (just as an example) youd save about 7 cents per round. or $7.00 per 100 rounds....$70 per thousand rounds...you get it. Sounds inviting, dont it?

Reloading equipment, tumblers, presses, dies, scales, books etc....at least $500 if you find something on craigslist.

Thus...protract the savings....you'll need to reload about 7140 rounds in order to recoup your initial investment.

Reloading is fun. But do it cuz you are interested in the results, not from the delusion of economy.

If you do get into it...hang out at the ranges, find other that might be interested in joining a reloading group....kinda like a macho quilting-bee.

Caveat: Many ranges and many manufacturers dont allow reloads cuz some folks get sloppy (or adventurous) with their concoctions.

....Things to be aware of .
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Reloading....do the math.

Primers, casings, powder, slugs...individually add up to about 70-80% of production ammo costs.

On .45 ammo (just as an example) youd save about 7 cents per round. or $7.00 per 100 rounds....$70 per thousand rounds...you get it. Sounds inviting, dont it?

Reloading equipment, tumblers, presses, dies, scales, books etc....at least $500 if you find something on craigslist.

Thus...protract the savings....you'll need to reload about 7140 rounds in order to recoup your initial investment.

Reloading is fun. But do it cuz you are interested in the results, not from the delusion of economy.

If you do get into it...hang out at the ranges, find other that might be interested in joining a reloading group....kinda like a macho quilting-bee.

Caveat: Many ranges and many manufacturers dont allow reloads cuz some folks get sloppy (or adventurous) with their concoctions.

....Things to be aware of .
I have been around and useing guns sence I was a kid. I am well aware of the pros and cons. And I also know by reloading you can have a more accurate round. Lowering the cost is just a small perk. I'm not trying to be a butt about it but I'm not a novice what it comes to guns. Just looking at a new avenue . I have had a 50 caliber black power rifle for many years loaded and packing and have never had a problem I know its not the same but just a example. You all have a good day.
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Reloading....do the math.

Primers, casings, powder, slugs...individually add up to about 70-80% of production ammo costs.

On .45 ammo (just as an example) youd save about 7 cents per round. or $7.00 per 100 rounds....$70 per thousand rounds...you get it. Sounds inviting, dont it?

Reloading equipment, tumblers, presses, dies, scales, books etc....at least $500 if you find something on craigslist.

Thus...protract the savings....you'll need to reload about 7140 rounds in order to recoup your initial investment.

Reloading is fun. But do it cuz you are interested in the results, not from the delusion of economy.

If you do get into it...hang out at the ranges, find other that might be interested in joining a reloading group....kinda like a macho quilting-bee.

Caveat: Many ranges and many manufacturers dont allow reloads cuz some folks get sloppy (or adventurous) with their concoctions.

....Things to be aware of .
45acp because you mentioned it. (500) 230gr Hornady FMJ $80 = $.16/ea., (1000) CCI Large pistol Primers $30 = $.03/ea., 1lb Bullseye $25 = $.02/ea., Cases are free (you can buy new but why when once fired is normally given away). So I see $.21/round. Cheaper Than Dirt has American Eagle 230gr 45acp FMJ for $22 box of 50 = $.44

So for your example doesn't apply. The $.21/round can go even lower when you buy bullets by the 1k or kegs of powder.

I reload 6k-8k of 45acp a year and have for the last 10. I can reload 45 for $.13/round. But I buy 10k of bullets, 10k of primers and 50lb keg of Bullseye.

Rifle reloading is another story altogether and easily fits into your 70-80%. Some rifle handloads cost more than factory ammo if you have custom bullets or brass. I have a 240 Gibbs that is extremely costly to reload.
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Relax.
I dont recall anyone accusing you of being a novice in anything.
But I do recall you asking questions in post #74 on the topic of reloading.
I think people were sharing their various perspectives on the topic that its fun....when engaged with rational expectaions.

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So I see $.21/round. Cheaper Than Dirt has American Eagle 230gr 45acp FMJ for $22 box of 50 = $.44

So for your example doesn't apply. The $.21/round can go even lower when you buy bullets by the 1k or kegs of powder.

I reload 6k-8k of 45acp a year and have for the last 10. I can reload 45 for $.13/round. But I buy 10k of bullets, 10k of primers and 50lb keg of Bullseye.
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Ammo prices are fluid....as are componant prices.
Cheapest Ive paid for .45 production ammo is .28/rd (see above)....that would be exactly 7cents per round over your figures.

the more you buy...the cheaper it gets. Most folks buy in hundreds and piddle with that quantity for a year or so.

As always...individual results may vary.

My take: Reloading is about the experiance...not the economics. Kinda like Jeeping.
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At any rate I want to get into reloading. I'm the type that is always up for a challenge. It seams to be a way to make a more accurate round. I have 10 acres of land and a large dirt pile I use for a round stopper I call it my range lol. I go thru thousands of rounds setting there I love shooting as much as Jeeping
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At any rate I want to get into reloading. I'm the type that is always up for a challenge. It seams to be a way to make a more accurate round. I have 10 acres of land and a large dirt pile I use for a round stopper I call it my range lol. I go thru thousands of rounds setting there I love shooting as much as Jeeping
Keep an eye on CL for a press and goodies. Buy reloading manuals find recipes online and start loading. You have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM.
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Keep an eye on CL for a press and goodies. Buy reloading manuals find recipes online and start loading. You have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM.
I'll do that. I believe you are on my friends list. I cannot see it due too I am on my phone
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First off, taking a deer with a round that you rolled yourself is much more rewarding than doing such with store bought stuff. And while talking about rifle rounds, there is no comparison. A box or hunting rounds can get to 30 bucks for a box of 20 real quick. 20 bucks gets me a box of 100 Hornady bthp bullets, I get brass free complements of the local sheriffs office range, and primers I have enough of to last years. Then when you take into account that with my hand loads I am shooting a large ragged hole for a group with such predictable routineness it almost gets boring. Now lets say you get a small lead forge, and have a buddy who ownes a tire shop and collects buckets of lead weights at a time for you, wanna know how cheap you can reload .45colt cowboy specials for?

And yes, when you shoot as much as I used to (2-5k rounds a month) reloading helps cut the cost tremendously.

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