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Old 06-05-2013, 06:46 AM   #31
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The show is phenomenal. I'm looking forward to next week's finale, but am in disbelief and frustrated that we're already at the end of another season.

I didn't see things ending well for Robb, but I didn't anticipate things ending then and there. He was one of my favorite characters.
Agreed, I thought Casterly Rock would have been his downfall. The moment Winterfell was sacked I felt Robb would loose focus and ultimately not win 'The Game'. But I did not see this coming at all. Can we assume it was Bolton (did I spell that right) that burned Winterfell down then?

I'm loosing my endless fight to keep my lady's mouth SHUT about whats happening in the books sadly so some of the Red Wedding questions I had have been answered...can I call her the B word over that? Its rather UPSETTING that some cliff hangers are now answered when the rest of you all may not figure it out until next season!

I want to know but I don't want it to be spoiled ya know. Any of you book readers got advice for how I can keep her quiet! lol. She does it "unknowingly" so she claims. She can't remember what has happened in the book and what has happened in the show. I think i'll just have to stop discussing the show with her.

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I'm loosing my endless fight to keep my lady's mouth SHUT about whats happening in the books sadly so some of the Red Wedding questions I had have been answered...can I call her the B word over that? Its rather UPSETTING that some cliff hangers are now answered when the rest of you all may not figure it out until next season!

I want to know but I don't want it to be spoiled ya know. Any of you book readers got advice for how I can keep her quiet! lol. She does it "unknowingly" so she claims. She can't remember what has happened in the book and what has happened in the show. I think i'll just have to stop discussing the show with her.
Yikes, that's a tough one. Luckily, my hubs has read the series too so we both know what is to come.

I don't believe the "unknowingly" part honestly; some bookreaders LOVE to complain/point out the differences, changes, etc. like they're experts (or the author themselves ). I'd just straight tell her that it's upsetting (and frankly, kinda rude). If you can't/won't do that, or it doesn't work, don't watch the show with her; can you watch in separate rooms or dvr and one of you watch it later?

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Please no "Spoilers" as some of us prefer to watch the show...
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:05 PM   #34
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:46 AM   #35
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Please no "Spoilers" as some of us prefer to watch the show...
Sorry if I gave something away, I think this threads been ok about not spoiling anything so far. I will say though I can't keep quiet much longer on whats already happened on TV!

HBgirl, nailed it, loves to say the book was better. The biggest issue she had about last weeks ep. was the seen with Arya.

Apparently the Book led you to believe it was "Cold steel from the Hound on the back of her neck" or something which she took as holy hell he killed Arya. And she was a little upset that we the viewers weren't left hanging with that as well.

I think people would have just stopped watching if all them were killed in 20 seconds haha.
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I think people would have just stopped watching if all them were killed in 20 seconds haha.
Haha, yes. Martin was on Conan the other night, and they showed him "Red Wedding" reactions that were all over Youtube (look it up if you haven't seen any yet; HI-larious). Martin said it explained to non-bookreaders why they (the bookreaders) were so depressed 13 years ago.

And of course the books were better; ALL books are better than the movies/shows that come after them. It's not like you don't know that already, haha. You can't fit 2000 pages of book into 10 episodes; something has to give, and go, and be left out, and changed.

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Ok... wow... that episode was harsh!
Im not a reader (yet, waiting till the shows are done)... and having all those characters that I had such high hopes for all die... wow. I seriously hope Fray gets mutilated now.

I saw snow leave his girl, but figured since the wildlings would have still let her stay in their group, it was safer for her to stay with them rather than taking her with him. I have a feeling (coming from a total non-reader standpoint) that he will be back and she will be with him and safe again.
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So the season finale last night was a little blah after last week's episode, yes?
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A little anti-climactic but still interesting. John Snow got f'd up by his ex-gf and Aria is now a little killer...

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Old 06-11-2013, 08:16 AM   #41
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I had to wait 20 whole hours !! HBO Go fail sunday night.

Ha yea Yvgrit shot him with love arrows, I was waiting for her to say "I love you" after he rode off. The only thing I didn't like about this episode was that it didn't end with an "Oh Shit" moment like the last 2 finale's have. Although we could come back in Season 4 and Dany has been turned into a rotisserie by her "children" lol.

It was good seeing Arya get some revenge, Nice little Arya and the Hound disney movie we have coming up ahead of us. That was Effed up what the Frey army did to Robb and his Dire wolf in this ep.
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I'm very surprised Roose Bolton didn't kill Frey then and there when they were cleaning up after the Red Wedding. He had it in his eyes that Old Man Frey is going down.
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Yeah, bit of a weak ending.... now I really am hoping Denny gets her ass across the sea fast and starts melting faces.
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Anyone watched these first two episodes?
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Anyone watched these first two episodes?
Of course! Beautiful wedding last night, especially the end. Knew it was coming eventually, but I've stopped trying to match where each TV season is in relation to the timeline of the books.
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Lol. My lady friend has been rather upset with that dynamic these first two episodes. I guess she's ready for something HUGE to happen and each episode it doesn't she gets grumpy.

As for me, an "unsullied" viewer only, it was a great episode. I was waiting for the narrator from the end of the Rocky and Bulwinkle cartoons to come in. "Did Tyrion murder his nephew the King?; What will happen to Margery now?; Does Breanne ever learn to curtsey? Find out next time onnn Game of Thrones"

But it was a very good final scene, good lord there was tension for like 15 minutes it was great! I have a theory and I think i'm pretty spot on about who done it.
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As for me, an "unsullied" viewer only, it was a great episode. I was waiting for the narrator from the end of the Rocky and Bulwinkle cartoons to come in. "Did Tyrion murder his nephew the King?; What will happen to Margery now?; Does Breanne ever learn to curtsey? Find out next time onnn Game of Thrones"
Hahaha!

I have to admit that part of me is jealous of the viewers who haven't read the books yet; I'd much rather watch the series not knowing anything.

As for who killed Joffrey? The line is looooooong, with everyone fighting to be first.
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Indeed but not many have the stones to do it.

Me thinks it was a joint assassination by Tywin and the Old Lady Tyrell. I am not sure why the Tyrell's would want him dead but I for sure know Tywin would do it. If nothing more than to put a "Listen to PaPa" in Cersei and Jamie. He's heard the rumors, Jamie disobeyed him by declining going to Lannisport. This could have been Tywin's reaction to that.
But Old Lady Tyrell had said to Sansa something along the lines of "So horrible to see a death at a wedding".

So I suppose Tomin is now King? Cersei go back to being Queen Regent ?
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So I suppose Tomin is now King? Cersei go back to being Queen Regent ?
Yes.
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The scene with the hound and arya in ep 1 was great. They did get their chickens. Lol
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Having read the first four books in the series with no plans to read the fifth I actually like the tv series better. Martin has a great setting and great characters but his writing does nothing for me. I honestly think he killed off characters in the book (no names) simply because he couldn't figure out what to do with them anymore. Nothing like investing a few hours reading about a character that comes to an untimely demise for no reason. Plus in the series one of my favorite characters that was killed off in the book is still alive.
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Plus in the series one of my favorite characters that was killed off in the book is still alive.
For now.

But really, it's probably because the series doesn't follow the books' timelines; they condense a lot (lets face it, in all of the books there's a lot of time just spent wandering around lands and having conversations ), and they incorporate and include parts of a character's story that actually happen later in the books just to save time while preserving who that character is. His books go off in so many branches that they have to condense, and even sometimes mesh two characters and their backgrounds/stories together.

The show is phenomenal at portraying the essence of these characters in a much more condensed, workable version than Martin ever could.
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I will say Episode 2 this season did feel ... I don't want to say rushed because the final scene was awesome and well drawn out, but I do think a few story lines were shoved along.

-Shea and Tyrion, like thats just over now? Just like that?
-Jon is well at the wall, all healed up, the trial took 15 seconds.
-(Where the hell is littlefinger's story line?)
-Red priestess burns more people, oh that was fun. What purpose did that serve in the episode?
-Could have done for more Jamie and Tyrion / Jamie and Bronn. (Anything with more Bronn is welcome).

The lady of the house has me reading Dunk and Egg or something right now. His writings not terrible, a few too many sentences that are paragraph in length leave me crosseyed now and then but its nothing different than what i've read before.
Personally, I don't know how he still has fans when this series started in the god damn 90s. I'd have burned his house down or something for making me wait like that. All of his side projects that he spends time on instead of writing.
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I will say Episode 2 this season did feel ... I don't want to say rushed because the final scene was awesome and well drawn out, but I do think a few story lines were shoved along.

-Shea and Tyrion, like thats just over now? Just like that?
-Jon is well at the wall, all healed up, the trial took 15 seconds.
-(Where the hell is littlefinger's story line?)
-Red priestess burns more people, oh that was fun. What purpose did that serve in the episode?
-Could have done for more Jamie and Tyrion / Jamie and Bronn. (Anything with more Bronn is welcome).

The lady of the house has me reading Dunk and Egg or something right now. His writings not terrible, a few too many sentences that are paragraph in length leave me crosseyed now and then but its nothing different than what i've read before.
Personally, I don't know how he still has fans when this series started in the god damn 90s. I'd have burned his house down or something for making me wait like that. All of his side projects that he spends time on instead of writing.
Yeah, like I said above, they have to condense and I think it's a fine line between rushing/running out of time to tell the whole story. I did read that Martin was very involved in every aspect of the Purple Wedding scene, and it showed (there's a pretty significant exchange that takes place that only readers of the book will see as "significant"); seems like every other storyline showed was just filler/extra stuff.

* I am very interested in how they play out the Shea/Tyrion thing, because in the book it leads to something very significant.

* They will have to get to Littlefinger soon, I'll be shocked if he isn't in the next episode. His hand is in everybody's cookie jar.

* I agree about Bronn; can never have too much of him.

My husband is the one who got me to start reading the books quite a few years ago, and I'm not sure I've seen him express more frustration about anything as he has about how long it takes Martin to release the next book.
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According to an interview with the director, episode is the shortest.

He did also state episode 10 was going to be unreal
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I think they are just building up to death by dragons!!!!
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Read the books watched both the wedding scenes and thought they were both awesome. The show stays true to the book but not the same.
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The book does sound just awesome. I'd love to read them, I'm 1/3rd of the way through Book 1, but Season 1 was almost verbatim I kind of want to skip to book two or three.

Back to the show, is Bronn as awesome in the book as he is in the show?

Another "unsullied" had a theory that Cersei offed Jofferey. They pointed to her wanting to remain queen regent, not wanting to marry Loras, and perhaps trying to kill Margery but accidently killing Joffery.
I think its a bit of a stretch but a good number of people I've spoken with like Cersei as the assassin. The only thing I found suspicious of her was sending away Maester Aamon. I did not get the point of that at all.
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Back to the show, is Bronn as awesome in the book as he is in the show?

Another "unsullied" had a theory that Cersei offed Jofferey. They pointed to her wanting to remain queen regent, not wanting to marry Loras, and perhaps trying to kill Margery but accidently killing Joffery.
I think its a bit of a stretch but a good number of people I've spoken with like Cersei as the assassin. The only thing I found suspicious of her was sending away Maester Aamon. I did not get the point of that at all.
Yes, Bronn is as awesome, but as with everything in Westeros ... all are not who they seem (speaking from the books; who knows what direction they will go in the show).

Re: Cersei as the puppetmaster behind the poisoning: It's an interesting theory; I'm trying not to be spoiler'ish in my responses, so I'll just ask if you want any kind of confirmation that it is, or isn't, a correct train of thought?

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