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Old 01-19-2011, 09:05 PM   #1
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Getting a New Rifle. Suggestions?

Ok this would be used as a hunting rifle. I was looking at the Savage Edge (Axis, whatever they call it), Remington 700 sps, weatherby vanguard, and marlin xl7. I have been leading towards the Marlin because it has everything i want/need for a reasonable price. I really love the 30-06 round so rifle would be chambered in that unless someone can convince me otherwise. So if you have any insight to any of these rifles or would like to suggest a different please chime in! Looking to spend under 600 but I would not mind saving up a little extra if you have a strong recommendation. Thanks!

Savage Edge

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Weatherby Vanguard

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I'd reccommend the Weatherby MK V or Vanguard, but the vanguard "bull" bbl would be a good choice-

As would be the Remington 700, I only have 700 BDLs so I'm not sure of the SPS-

I've got Weatherby and Remingtomn 700s, my most accurate is the Rem, but the Weatherbys are a close second and the Vanguards with the "bull" bbl is super-

The MK V is extremely accurate, but only for the first 3/5 shots-quick, because the SLEEK pencil bbl heats very fast !!

My most accurate 30-06 is my Weatherby Vanguard, with a WBY 3-9 pwr scope-shoots sub 1" groups at 100 yds, with handloads and 147gr FMJs

A 308 cal in the same rifles might be a better choice, although I ain't got one !!
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I know people either love them or hate them but I have a TC Encore and love it. We can't hunt with high power rifles in IN so I use the muzzle loader barrel and it is the best shooting gun I have. The good thing is if I ever want to hunt in another state that allows rifles I can get whatever caliber I want a lot cheaper then buying a new gun. Some guys don't like the single shot but IMO for deer you shouldn't need more then one shot. Even if you do they are on the run so it's a crap shoot at that time. What do you plan on hunting with it?
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The remington 700 is to the Chevy 350. There are near endless options for it. Not sure what kind of hunting you are doing but give a look see at the 308. It's got knock down and will carry. Look at used and put some money in optics. If you can't see it you won't be hitting it no matter what u throw at it.
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Rem 700 chambered in .308
Do it.
There are TONS of companies that offer custom parts for the Rem 700. I love mine.
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What parts do you suggest swapping for the 700?
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keep the action and bolt and there are many custom barrels on the market. I like Hart, Shilen and Lilja. Stocks I like McMillian and HS Precision
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I love the 700. Great rifle.
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keep the action and bolt and there are many custom barrels on the market. I like Hart, Shilen and Lilja. Stocks I like McMillian and HS Precision
Can't go wrong with either one of those company's stocks. I'm a HS Precision guy myself (my service weapon was an M-24), but McMillan makes a GREAT stock as well.
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Ok this would be used as a hunting rifle. I was looking at the Savage Edge (Axis, whatever they call it), Remington 700 sps, weatherby vanguard, and marlin xl7. I have been leading towards the Marlin because it has everything i want/need for a reasonable price. I really love the 30-06 round so rifle would be chambered in that unless someone can convince me otherwise. So if you have any insight to any of these rifles or would like to suggest a different please chime in! Looking to spend under 600 but I would not mind saving up a little extra if you have a strong recommendation. Thanks!


I have been waiting to reply to this thread to hear what others have to say.

If you are looking to spend under $600 for rifle and scope none of the recommended guns will work for your budget.

I do agree that the 308 is a better choice for caliber.

If you want to spend under $600 for scope and rifle buy the Howa M1500 package. It will come with a good Nikko Sterling scope.

The Howa M1500 is the best rifle for the dollar available. The Howa action is used in the Weatherby rifles. The Houge overmolded stock is fantastic. The Nikko Sterling 3-9X40 scope is good. A Nikon or Leupold it is not but still a good scope. You may decide to upgrade the scope at later time but shoot the Nikko Sterling scope first.

If you want to spend $600 on a rifle not including the scope that opens up a few doors. You can find a very nice used Remington 700 in that price range. Let me be the first to tell you that the Remington 700 that you will buy is not half the rifle that Cavey is using. Out of the box it is no better than the Howa(This is fact not debatable). After trigger work, barrel lap, chamber cut and bedding you will have a rifle that will shoot sub MOA groups.

A excellent scope will cost you $275-$400.

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Can't go wrong with either one of those company's stocks. I'm a HS Precision guy myself (my service weapon was an M-24), but McMillan makes a GREAT stock as well.
I really like the older Fajen laminated wood stocks. They are heavy, super strong and bed like concrete. No aluminum bedding surfaces like HS or McMillian.
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I want to spend around 600 for the rifle. Scope will be a different story. I will look into the Howa but I dont mind upgrading my weapons in fact I actually prefer to put some play in. So I want something that I can take and use but also have room for improvement when the budget allows.
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I want to spend around 600 for the rifle. Scope will be a different story. I will look into the Howa but I dont mind upgrading my weapons in fact I actually prefer to put some play in. So I want something that I can take and use but also have room for improvement when the budget allows.
A rifle that I forgot to mention is the CZ 550 American. These rifles are also very nice and can be had for $700.

Making improvements to your hunting rifle is not the same as making improvements to a match rifle or sniper rifle. The best improvement you can make for a hunting rifle is to load test your rifle. After that is complete you may decide trigger work is in order or glass bedding. Adding a McMillan or HS Stock will make your rifle heavy and awkward for hunting.
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From Personal experience The Rem. 700's are probably one of the most accurate rifles I own. I have two, one in .22-.250 and a .308

With that said I'm a huge Marlin fan as well you really can't go wrong with a 30-30 lever like the 336. My suggestion would be either a Savage or a Rem. 700 Really though all the choices you listed above would be excellent. Like said above don't overlook CZ I don't have rifle experience with them but I own a few of there handguns and they are some of my favorites, top notch. to me a 30-06 is overkill for a Deer but over all it's a great round and many people use it.

You didn't mention what you planned on hunting with it but being in ST Louis I'm guessing Deer. The Rem 700 in .308 is the way to go personally, tons of ammo choices and it will shoot more accurately than you probably ever can.
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deer and boar is what i mainly hunt. saving up to do some big game up north though.
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I have been waiting to reply to this thread to hear what others have to say.

If you are looking to spend under $600 for rifle and scope none of the recommended guns will work for your budget.

I do agree that the 308 is a better choice for caliber.

If you want to spend under $600 for scope and rifle buy the Howa M1500 package. It will come with a good Nikko Sterling scope.

The Howa M1500 is the best rifle for the dollar available. The Howa action is used in the Weatherby rifles. The Houge overmolded stock is fantastic. The Nikko Sterling 3-9X40 scope is good. A Nikon or Leupold it is not but still a good scope. You may decide to upgrade the scope at later time but shoot the Nikko Sterling scope first.

If you want to spend $600 on a rifle not including the scope that opens up a few doors. You can find a very nice used Remington 700 in that price range. Let me be the first to tell you that the Remington 700 that you will buy is not half the rifle that Cavey is using. Out of the box it is no better than the Howa(This is fact not debatable). After trigger work, barrel lap, chamber cut and bedding you will have a rifle that will shoot sub MOA groups.

A excellent scope will cost you $275-$400.

If you have any other questions feel free to PM me. This is what I do.
Excellent scopes cost more than that.
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Excellent scopes cost more than that.
No they do not. Ridiculous scopes cost more than that.

An excellent Nikon Monarch 2.5-10X42 will cost $400.

An excellent Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 will cost $400.

An excellent Burris Fullfield II 3-9X40 will cost $250.
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I agree with nick

Also the savage sp heavy barrel with
trigger work is a moa rifle but heavy
I like light for long carrying
I also like the .308
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im surprised nobody has mentioned Tikka T3 Lite. i've got one in 270wsm and love it. it shoots sub moa guaranteed out of the box and you can get them for around $600. most of the guns you show pictures of have bull barrels on them........not sure if you want to pack a bull barrel around hunting, unless you still hunt. the tikka also has a self adjusting trigger so you can set the trigger poundage yourself. they also have synthetic stock and stainless barrel so weather really isn't an issue. thats my 2 cents. for a $600 rifle i'd go with tikka. oh, if you can find a CZ for that price that probably wouldn't be a bad choice either. i've also got a CZ-527 in .204 that is an awesome rifle also.
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im surprised nobody has mentioned Tikka T3 Lite. i've got one in 270wsm and love it. it shoots sub moa guaranteed out of the box and you can get them for around $600. most of the guns you show pictures of have bull barrels on them........not sure if you want to pack a bull barrel around hunting, unless you still hunt. the tikka also has a self adjusting trigger so you can set the trigger poundage yourself. they also have synthetic stock and stainless barrel so weather really isn't an issue. thats my 2 cents. for a $600 rifle i'd go with tikka. oh, if you can find a CZ for that price that probably wouldn't be a bad choice either. i've also got a CZ-527 in .204 that is an awesome rifle also.
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want a budget rifle that will drive tacks and still leave you $$ for good optics?
Savage 110. ~$400.00 w/o scope. Not exactly pretty, but it's tough as nails and is a fantastic gun for the money.

Caliber? For deer it's tough to beat a 30-06, but if you're thinking of using it on bigger game the .308 is good and the .300WinMag is a godsend. Depending on terrain/distance you might want to consider the .270 (very flat trajectory compared to the 30-06 and the .308)

People say I'm nuts for using a .300 MinMag for whitetails, and it is a bit of overkill, but I've never had to track one using 165gr Hornady SSTs. Drop. Dead. Gorgeous.

With any of these calibers in the Savage, using Hornady rounds you will see awesome results.
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almost forgot

the Remington 700 has been plagued with lawsuits and accusations of firing on their own, FTFs, and FTFs which then later result in self-firing. They even made an expose' on it

News Headlines

I don't know how much faith to put into anything from CNBC; but I believe in "buyer beware." I got no particular axe to grind with Remington (looooove my 870s) so just putting it out there.
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the Remington 700 has been plagued with lawsuits and accusations of firing on their own, FTFs, and FTFs which then later result in self-firing. They even made an expose' on it

News Headlines

I don't know how much faith to put into anything from CNBC; but I believe in "buyer beware." I got no particular axe to grind with Remington (looooove my 870s) so just putting it out there.
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Tragedy struck the Barber family during a hunting trip outside Bozeman, Montana. Rich and Barbara Barber’s 9-year-old son Gus was fatally shot when the Remington 700 rifle discharged while Barbara was unloading the gun. She says she’s certain her finger was not on the trigger.
Was she equally certain that it wasn't pointed at anyone while she was unloading it as is SOP?
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Was she equally certain that it wasn't pointed at anyone while she was unloading it as is SOP?
agreed Bear, it seemed to me that quite a few of the tragedies could have been avoided with proper gun safety handling- even given a mechanical failure/AD of the weapon. However, that part where the SWAT team member FTFs then touches the bolt causing it to discharge is scary as hell...gives whole new meaning to the term "hostage crisis".
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I have owned numerous rifles over the years, tried most of the caliber's --from .22 up to and including the 460 Weatherby.
1. Pick what YOU like and are comfortable with and shooting.
2. Pick your caliber based on the type of hunting, the game and the terrain you would usually hunt in.
3. After playing with stacks of rifles over the last 30+ years, I have a CZ American .22 rimfire, a Heavy BBL Winchester Mod 70 synthetic stock in .22-250 and a Rem 700 Spl in .338 Win Mag. The .338 will handle anything in North America and I have no plans on going elsewhere. Load up with 210 gr Barnes Tipped Triple-shok for everything...Great bullet, does not vaporize deer. Nice hole through and through and makes them dead..now. Excellent for Moose to say the least.

Just have fun shopping for it and ENJOY !!!!
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agreed Bear, it seemed to me that quite a few of the tragedies could have been avoided with proper gun safety handling- even given a mechanical failure/AD of the weapon. However, that part where the SWAT team member FTFs then touches the bolt causing it to discharge is scary as hell...gives whole new meaning to the term "hostage crisis".
ADs are nothing to blow over, on any level.

I have two questions on the 700.

  • Do we know if the majority of problems are "design" issues or are a result of "tuning up" the rifle. Much like our Jeeps, sports cars, .45 speed guns, we tune them up to the nth degree, sometimes that is just a smidge too far.
  • Is there a time frame of the 700 that is more susceptible to ADs? Would an older 700 be safer/better than one with "improvements"?
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I just got a Savage 7mm, left hand bolt. I love my Savage model 99 .308 also. Haven't shot the 7mm yet.....

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