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Old 08-25-2010, 09:41 PM   #1
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Go Army National Guard!!

Last week I finally made the decision to join the Army National Guard. I have a shiitte load of college loans to pay off from previous degrees and I still have a ways to go to finish my doctorate.

So, last night, I killed four hours and took the ASVAB.

I needed a 31 to pass but I made a 54.

Next stop: OCS.

I guess now I'm going to have to paint my JK powder coat tan and my wheels brown.

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Congrats. But don't worry to much about the Jeep as much time as the guard spends deployed around here you'll hardly ever see it anyway. lol

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Congrats. Any idea what you want to do?
I'm going to find out how I can enlist my JK so I can take it with me if I end up getting deployed. I have a cousin who is a retired active duty Army Colonel. Maybe he can pull some strings.

just kidding about the JK part although it was a cool idea for a split second.


Seriously, though, I'm thinking about doing intelligence or counterintelligence. Any suggestions?
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Seriously, though, I'm thinking about doing intelligence or counterintelligence. Any suggestions?
Yep, Chose very wisely.
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Seriously, though, I'm thinking about doing intelligence or counterintelligence. Any suggestions?
Don't post that up on the interwebz. Never know when the talibans may be looking how to fix their junk.
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Yep, Chose very wisely.
Yeah. My cousin was smart. He chose an administrative job. Did a tour in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm and Shield and did two tours in Iraq. Not a scratch on him--not even so much as mosquito bite.
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Yeah. My cousin was smart. He chose an administrative job. Did a tour in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm and Shield and did two tours in Iraq. Not a scratch on him--not even so much as mosquito bite.
Ohhh so you wana be a desk jockey?
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Don't post that up on the interwebz. Never know when the talibans may be looking how to fix their junk.
We never had this conversation. In fact, this thread doesn't even exist.
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You can go State guard and not get deployed except for State emergencies and then there's Federal Guard which get deployed anywhere and everywhere. Look into and decide before you jump in.
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Ohhh so you wana be a desk jockey?
Desk jockey or not at least hes got the balls to join the army and is doing something good with himself
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I have always been told to join fully, and stay out of the reserves. Typically you get looked down upon by the full service guys. And why join the service if you wanna push papers? Seems like a silly idea to me.

My little brother is joining the Marines. I'm so proud of him. He wants to diffuse bombs. I guess he's as crazy as I am!
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Also how was the asvab I've been studying out of the kaplans study guide (want to join the navy and get into security) and it seems pretty tough. But then again i havent gone to college and have been out of highschool for a year.
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If u score high enough to qualify for OCS u can pick what u want. Went that route but decided I didn't want to be a butter bar. It's rough time in ocs. I couldn't take the degrading and boot licking. U will be treated 10x worse then basic SPC was enough for me. Good luck. But seriously think thru the dark side decision. I will admit I wasn't officer material. My sgt made a good point, u as an officer are in charge of every life in ur unit, R u up to that challenge ?
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If u score high enough to qualify for OCS u can pick what u want. Went that route but decided I didn't want to be a butter bar. It's rough time in ocs. I couldn't take the degrading and boot licking. U will be treated 10x worse then basic SPC was enough for me. Good luck. But seriously think thru the dark side decision. I will admit I wasn't officer material. My sgt made a good point, u as an officer are in charge of every life in ur unit, R u up to that challenge ?
My brother has been offered the challange. He's still on the fense, but I feel he is the right MAN for the job. If you ever read this Mike, I love you!
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No. I wouldn't mind being a Ranger.

Most of their training is shiitte I used to do for fun when I visited relatives in Andalusia, Al. during summer months.

Over 12 years of collegiate and gentleman's club rugby, bodybuilding, and mixed martial arts as well as other aforementioned intellectual and professional experiences affords me the edge I would need. But in this current climate of multiple wars I prefer to remain alive.
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Also how was the asvab I've been studying out of the kaplans study guide (want to join the navy and get into security) and it seems pretty tough. But then again i havent gone to college and have been out of highschool for a year.
If you want to be a Master at Arms (MA) in the Navy that is great, you may also want to look into Gunners Mate (GM). Just keep in mind that the Navy is downsizing right now, you can get in but you may not be able to stay in beyond your initial enlistment if you don't advance.
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That's why I'm going Alabama National Guard. Still, a few units from Alabama have been sent to Iraq before.
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Also how was the asvab I've been studying out of the kaplans study guide (want to join the navy and get into security) and it seems pretty tough. But then again i havent gone to college and have been out of highschool for a year.
95% of the test was like common knowledge stuff to me, so I didn't even bother studying. But I'm a veteran K-12 highly qualified educator with a masters degree and completing my doctorate in organizational leadership.

However, when I was your age, I didn't have much on my mind and could have cared less about the ASVAB. So, I'm willing to bet I would have failed miserably.

If you take practice tests for a couple weeks to a month before you take the ASVAB you could easily blow it out of the water. There's nothing on there like calculus or trig or chemistry. As long as you have a decent level of learned vocabulary, an aptitude for reading and comprehension and decent understanding of basic algebra you should be okay.

I glanced over a few practice tests the night before I took the ASVAB--surprisingly some of the same material on the practice tests you can find online for free is the same material on the actual test.
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Try going SF dude. But you'll need an ASVAB score of 108.
But I'm glad you're willing to fight.
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Most of their training is shiitte I used to do for fun when I visited relatives in Andalusia, Al. during summer months.
Over 12 years of collegiate and gentleman's club rugby, bodybuilding, and mixed martial arts as well as other aforementioned intellectual and professional experiences affords me the edge I would need. But in this current climate of multiple wars I prefer to remain alive.
Keep in mind that any training beyond FORSCOM that you see on TV is only what is ALLOWED to be on tv. Ranger school is no joke, and many have gone to Ranger school thinking it would be like what's on TV and they flunk out. Same with SFAS. However, that being said, it's worth every hour of missed sleep and physical torture. All you have to do is NOT QUIT. Simple. Adapt and overcome.
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If u score high enough to qualify for OCS u can pick what u want. Went that route but decided I didn't want to be a butter bar. It's rough time in ocs. I couldn't take the degrading and boot licking. U will be treated 10x worse then basic SPC was enough for me. Good luck. But seriously think thru the dark side decision. I will admit I wasn't officer material. My sgt made a good point, u as an officer are in charge of every life in ur unit, R u up to that challenge ?
I've been in charge of ensuring the academic success and well being of thousands of lives in my 15 years of being an educator. Granted I wasn't in charge of their lives in a literal life or death combat sense but the leadership skills required to ensure the success of a group of individuals is essentially the same.
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I've been in charge of ensuring the academic success and well being of thousands of lives in my 15 years of being an educator. Granted I wasn't in charge of their lives in a literal life or death combat sense but the leadership skills required to ensure the success of a group of individuals is essentially the same.
Not when you and your platoon are active targets.....the combat zone will make or break a leader, regardless of previous leadership experiences. I'm not maximizing this, I just don't want you to minimize it and set yourself up for failure. Good luck and Godspeed.
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Try going SF dude. But you'll need an ASVAB score of 108.
But I'm glad you're willing to fight.
The ASVAB score needed to attend SFAS is not 108. The GT score is 110. (At least it was when I was in)

And the ASVAB is a simple test. It's all common knowledge.
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Keep in mind that any training beyond FORSCOM that you see on TV is only what is ALLOWED to be on tv. Ranger school is no joke, and many have gone to Ranger school thinking it would be like what's on TV and they flunk out. Same with SFAS. However, that being said, it's worth every hour of missed sleep and physical torture. All you have to do is NOT QUIT. Simple. Adapt and overcome.
Actually, I'm going by what my cousin briefed me on over the years as he rose in the ranks of active duty Army. Also I have an uncle that retired active duty Marines. I have a pretty good idea of what goes on. Not that I'm minimizing the rigors of advanced military training but I've grown pretty accustomed to overcoming pain and fatigue over the years.
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I have always been told to join fully, and stay out of the reserves. Typically you get looked down upon by the full service guys.
Yeah, I've been aware of that bullshiitte for years. However, particularly, in recent years with National Guard members having to serve side-by-side with active duty/full service members overseas that narrow-minded mentality has been laid to rest.

Secondly, it depends on what your purpose is for joining the Reserves or National Guard. If you already have a professional career as a civilian and you're looking to pay off college loans and/or looking to finish paying for a doctorate degree like I am, then the choice is obvious.

If you're looking to make a career out of being in the military and haven't pursued a professional career as a civilian, especially if you're young and having a hard time getting your foot in the door in the civilian job market, then enlisting may be the better way to go.

Whatever choice you make, make the choice after you've done the necessary research because that's what you want to do not because you're trying to appease someone else's narrow-minded, antiquated philosophy of serving for your country.
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I've been in charge of ensuring the academic success and well being of thousands of lives in my 15 years of being an educator. Granted I wasn't in charge of their lives in a literal life or death combat sense but the leadership skills required to ensure the success of a group of individuals is essentially the same.
I was just saying, I scored a 95 out of 100, I choose miltary intelligence/human interregation, after much thought after basic, and talking to tons of SGTs and MsGT it just wasn't for me, I was one pay grade away from an E-5 anyway after basic, I just decided I would go the route of earning my stripes instead of learning them, I then shattered my knee had wire put in and was honorablly dishcarged(army frowns upon retained hardware they did not install). The military needs great leadership, good luck and learn to shut up and say yes sir no sir and by god yes mam ha ha!!!
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