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Old 02-11-2009, 04:28 PM   #1
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is this for real ?

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/02/...ell-childr.html

It's now illegal to sell children's motorcycles in America

As of today, the sale of any motorcycle intended for children 12 and under is illegal. This includes both new and used machines, any replacement parts that may contain lead and even any service or warranty work that may replace lead-containing parts. Attempting to sell bikes like Honda's popular CRF50F as anything other than a children's product is also illegal and, as soon as August, could result in fines of up to $15 million.


Honda has issued a helpful FAQ to its dealers explaining the ins and outs of CPSIA and how it affects motorcycles sales. We can't detail the law as well as they can, so we've embedded it above. It should be noted that CPSIA affects all manufacturers of children's motorcycles in addition to many other products.

The whole situation can be summed up by one line in the FAQ:
"Q - Does the lead used in these products pose any health risk?
A - No."

As we've stated before, we're shocked and a little scandalized that the industry hasn't done a better job of calling attention to the impact of CPSIA. The only mainstream media article we've seen in relation to CPSIA and children's motorcycles appeared in the New York Times' Wheels Blog, which first heard of it by reading Hell For Leather.

So what will happen now? Manufacturers and the motorcycle industry will continue to lobby the Children's Product Safety Commission for an exemption, but, by their own admission, this will take at least several months. If you want to help, contact your Congressman.

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In one week, the sale of motorcycles intended for children twelve and under will be banned. Why? The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act will illegalize the sale of all products intended for that age group that contain 600 parts per million of lead or more. Even though many kids ride, rather than eat, their motorcycles, CPSIA fails to make that distinction. Today, Honda issued a notice to its dealers that unless a last minute exemption is granted, sales of children's motorcycles must cease by February 10.

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Where did you get that quote? There is no user F2504x4 listed here on WF.

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Where did you get that quote? There is no user F2504x4 listed here on WF.
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Oh OK.

Any way I haven't heard of the above article.
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I think that's crap.
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Got a legit link? That's a blog with secondhand news. Is there a news story or anything of the like other than Honda's CPSIA FAQ?


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If you go here...

http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsia.HTML

You can see they're making exceptions for electronics, I'm not seeing why they wouldn't for motorcycles.
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Got a legit link? That's a blog with secondhand news. Is there a news story or anything of the like other than Honda's CPSIA FAQ?
no but i can find one. Ive called a few local dealers and all but one said that they are unable to sell the 50cc bikes b/c of this problem.

also, on kawasaki's site, they say that they are unable to sell their 65cc bike and suzuki's "kids" section is just blank.
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Another case of the government overstepping it's bounds. I would urge everyone who this affects, or who thinks it's wrong, to write or email their congressman. I can assure you, getting in touch with your reps does work.
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The biggest reason is people whole buy these little motor cycles for kids that shouldn't be riding them. And when they get hurt, they complain to the companies and government.... same deal with video games. Uninformed mom buys "Grand Theft Auto" for a 13yr old... and when she sees him beating up a hooker to get his money back, she flips out.

The small motorcycles will be back before you know it.
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Three wheelers never came back.
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Three wheelers are stupid.
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I guess they wouldn't believe me if I told them I was to be the one riding it. 250lbs on a 50cc bike
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well, thats your opinion.

Ive had more fun on three wheelers than ive ever had on 2 or 4 wheels
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Three wheelers are stupid.
They were a lot of fun, I had 3 of them.
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Another case of the government overstepping it's bounds. I would urge everyone who this affects, or who thinks it's wrong, to write or email they're congressman. I can assure you, getting in touch with your reps does work.
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Three wheelers are stupid.
Regardless, the government decided we as a nation were too stupid to ride them and needed to be protected from ourselves so they were outlawed. Every freedom removed paves the road for more to be taken away. Silence in the assumption they won't come for your love is a mistake.
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Regardless, the government decided we as a nation were too stupid to ride them and needed to be protected from ourselves so they were outlawed. Every freedom removed paves the road for more to be taken away. Silence in the assumption they won't come for your love is a mistake.
^^^Exactly, and I wouldn't doubt that the same people used these lead laws to kill the bikes and ATV's for the youth. They don't like the injury rates. The biggest problem with youth injuries is no adult supervision or irresponsible adult supervision.
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Trikes are alive and well even in Cali today. I know a retired police chief and her husband that ride his and hers.

Link is to the dealer in Westminster, CA.

http://http://www.hdwesttrikes.com/
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^^^Exactly, and I wouldn't doubt that the same people used these lead laws to kill the bikes and ATV's for the youth. They don't like the injury rates. The biggest problem with youth injuries is no adult supervision or irresponsible adult supervision.
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Trikes are alive and well even in Cali today. I know a retired police chief and her husband that ride his and hers.

Link is to the dealer in Westminster, CA.

http://http://www.hdwesttrikes.com/
we are talking about this kind of three wheeler:
http://www.files.3wheelerworld.com/r.../Mikes250R.jpg
http://www.files.3wheelerworld.com/r.../Petes200X.jpg
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Trikes are alive and well even in Cali today. I know a retired police chief and her husband that ride his and hers.

Link is to the dealer in Westminster, CA.

http://http://www.hdwesttrikes.com/
Those aren't what I'm talking about. Trikes and three wheelers are different animals. I had a 250R Honda what I was a teenager. That thing was fun.


One of the other problems is parents saving money by purchasing bikes far too large for their little children because they don't want to have to buy a new one in a year when the kid grows six inches. I've seen it with not only three wheelers and dirtbikes, but regular old bicycles.
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Guess I was misinformed on the title. I thought something happened to Mr. 50

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I am guilty of getting too big a regular old bicycle for my step kids. But I did it knowing that I would adjust it for me to ride and goof around on till the younger one grew a couple of inches. The older one has stepped right into it. (going from 16 to 20 in bike)

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I am guilty of getting too big a regular old bicycle for my step kids. But I did it knowing that I would adjust it for me to ride and goof around on till the younger one grew a couple of inches. The older one has stepped right into it. (going from 16 to 20 in bike)

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so your riding around on a 20 inch bike? still a little small eh?


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This goes much farther than motorcycles.

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Facing business closures

Jolie Fay, who owns the Skipping Hippos clothing company in Portland, Ore., fights tears as she explains how she invested $60,000 in fabric and trim for the kids' ponchos she makes with the help of a mother and daughter who also work out of their home.

The commission's decision last week means she won't be forced out of business this fall, she says. She recently tested her inventory herself — finding it lead-free — and hopes to sell the clothing by next February.

But unless CPSC exempts certain fabrics by then, Fay would be required to pay for third-party testing of the material and trim she uses for the ponchos. She's received estimates as high as $90,000 a year for the testing, an amount she says would kill the business that supports her family of four.

"I'd never called a congressman's office in my life, and I'm bawling to these 20-year-old (congressional aides) in Washington

CPSC spokesman Joseph Martyak says his commission has gotten thousands of calls and e-mails from concerned small-business owners and even school librarians.

Some librarians told the commission that the law would put them out of work because children's books made before 1980, when lead was allowed in ink, would be banned. He says the agency is "trying to find a way of addressing children's books."

"A lot of parents are on blogs saying, 'This is crazy,' " says Martyak. "They say, 'What are we going to do if children can't get the books they want in the library?' or that '$20 gets us so much in a thrift shop.' "

It's an unfathomable case of a government gone mad to many small-business owners, including thrift-store owner Sharon Smith of Portland, Ore. She has tested the zipper pulls and buttons on used kids' clothing but can't draw enough conclusions to confidently sell anything but zipper-, snap- and button-free pullovers unless preowned clothing is exempted.

Martyak says the commission would not be able to exempt used clothing, only certain types of apparel such as plain T-shirts.

"The commission has given retailers half-loaded guns and is asking us to play Russian roulette with our livelihoods by saying we don't have to test, but we will be liable if the products are not in compliance," says Smith, who sells new and used clothing at A Repeat Performance.

If they violate the law, retailers and manufacturers would be subject to civil and criminal penalties. The law even calls for up to five years in jail, a punishment CPSC has used only for repeat offenders of other laws.

Even some of the largest businesses say the economy has taken such a toll on their bottom lines, they shouldn't have to tackle this now. A coalition of manufacturing and retail groups representing retailers including Wal-Mart petitioned CPSC last week for a six-month delay in the effective date of the lead-content limits in the new law, citing current business conditions and all of the other uncertainties with compliance.

"With so many businesses on the brink of financial ruin, now is not the time to add any unwarranted and costly burdens on job providers," wrote Rosario Palmieri, National Association of Manufacturers vice president.

"Obviously, we want to do the right thing, but we want to make sure we're not overburdened with compliance," says Jonathan Gold, a National Retail Federation vice president.

Doing enough

CPSC Commissioner Thomas Moore says the commission hadn't done enough to make the home crafters and other smaller businesses aware that they were already supposed to be meeting certain safety standards.

Fortunately, he notes, "They are likely making safe products, or they would have come to our attention."

Johnson isn't so sure.

"It is an outrage that our children are being harmed — often by the very products we buy to nurture and keep them safe," she says.

Fay, the business owner and mother of two young daughters, says she's so cautious that she doesn't even let her kids eat anything with high-fructose corn syrup and certainly wouldn't take any chances with lead. But she says this is no time to do anything to hurt families struggling to make ends meet by selling children's products or buying them secondhand.

"People don't know how far-reaching this law is and how it's going to affect everyone," says Fay.

CPSC and Congress "are pointing the finger back at each other, and none of them are taking responsibility to make the changes needed."
Safety rules on lead in kids' products perplex and polarize - USATODAY.com

Yep, keep trusting big government and bleeding heart liberals to take care of us because God knows we weren't able to survive without em before...
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Of course I am riding a 20 in. bike with the kids. I also have a couple of mountain bikes I use for when with my friends. Never too old to ride a small bike.

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