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Old 09-22-2009, 08:06 AM   #1
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:18 AM   #2
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well i'm guessing warranties are going out the window too. because they aren't going to warranty when Bill-Bob blows up his engine after filling his engine 1 qt of oil b/c he didn't know how much to put in it. i bet they are going to save billions by eliminating the owner's manual, but customers aren't going to see a dime in savings.

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Old 09-22-2009, 08:31 AM   #3
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I have read my owners manual about 10 times now but i'm one of the few under 25 that have. As long as they put the manuals up in PDF form it's not a big deal.
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Yeah, but when you aren't at home, and you need to know which fuse goes to what, or where the heck some fiddly thing is, especially in a fancier car than a Wrangler, it's gonna suck. I (being a girl) actually read the owners manual on all my cars. Guess I'll have to get over that. Old habits die hard though. Makes me kind of sad
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:11 AM   #5
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You can print out the manual if you really need it.
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I'm with InfernoGirl. I have a degree in Automotive Technology, did mechanic work, body work, appraise repos, and have an extensive background in electronics and computer programming. I *STILL* pull out owners manuals every once in awhile. Not only are the handy for, say finding the hidden trunk release on a rental, but also for more important tasks like fuses and such. Most things are on stickers somewhere on the car, true, but you need to know where to look. What happens if your wife has a flat, and can't get cell service? No more owners manual to help her out...

Just seems stupid to me. Unless they plan on putting a DVD player in every car, with a separate emergency battery to view when the car will not run, I am not interested. Just plain irresponsible. There are WAY more potential problems from NOT having an owners manual in the vehicle, than any amount of *cost* savings (Dealers charge $10 a manual, and you know they make profit off that $10...). True it adds up after a mass of cars, but I would much rather them tack on $10 to the cost of my $65,000 Aveo and have a damn manual in the car always accessible, than a useless CD that I can only use when I am NOT NEAR MY CAR.
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I agree with you but in reality, this is a sign of the times.

Plus, (I won't quote stupid statistics) a LOT of people don't ever look at the manual. Best to let us people that know better to print out our own 8 pages of good data and let the rest go.

I can't tell you how many times I've been looking thru my manual trying to find something specific and digging thru the "how to lock the doors" or "how to set the cruise control" sections. Nice thing about electronic copies is being able to search them and find what you want.

As to the "irresponsible" statement: that could be applied to why the FSM isn't included with your vehicle too. And I just don't really see anything in the owners manual that could save your life.

"Corporate" America doesn't cost share the way you describe either. The bad news is that "saving money" is the entire point and I'm sure that very soon after this takes effect, there will be paper owners manuals "for sale" by our "stealerships" (but for way more that $10.00)

Just my 2 cents.
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It figures. Why not just leave out a cup holder or 2 on most models to save plastic. Or leave out the spare tire, or the tire iron.
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It figures. Why not just leave out a cup holder or 2 on most models to save plastic. Or leave out the spare tire, or the tire iron.
"Spare" tires have been gone on most vehicles since the early 90's.
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I know how they can save a lot of money....give us 4 wheels and let us build the rest our selves.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:43 AM   #11
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Chrysler's decision to replace the bulky owner's manual with a DVD and small user's guide My empahasis on small users guide. They probably will give the basics in the guide and leave out the model specific items. How many people with hardtops need pages and pages telling you how to use a softtop.
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I can see how this would be more efficient, just because half the people i know dont even know how to change a tire. People that fix their own vehicles is a dieing breed. I saw a lady the other day when i was picking up stuff to change my oil that brought her car in to autozone to find out why her dome light wasnt working. Its sort of sad, but when you can get your oil changed for 9 bucks, compared to 30 doing it yourself, granted i will always change it myself and try to figure something out before i pay someone else to do it. Damn i have even changed the tires off rim the rim with a can of ether and a hack saw to get the old tire off. I learned after paying someone to do it is better than almost blowing off my face mounting the new tire, lesson learned the hard way.

Good thing i dont plan on buying a new car .
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Here's the deal all:
2010's still come with a basic user's manual that tells you roadside repair info, basic specs, and fluid requirements, so 99% of what you'd need in the car with you is covered.

The DVD covers other stuff, like putting the softtop up/down (which is MUCH easier with the new tops), maintenance schedules (not sure if there's a separate one in the packet- they're still wrapped ), and so on.

The move was done to save a buttload of paper. Most people don't EVER look at their manuals, and with all the crap that's on cars these days, they were getting bulky, and that's both a huge expense, and replacement also was a PITA. Replacing a DVD costs under a buck (for them- for the customer, probably a bit more ), and takes very little in the way of resources- Mark W.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:11 AM   #14
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That kinda does suck. at least they aren't leaving us in the cold like the PO of my jeep did. (bastard took the manual, the jack, the tire tools, the straps for the rear window to be rolled up, the hardtop, etc.)

But I'm like a few here, I like having that resource available to me. Everytime I buy a new car I bring the manual with me to work, and I read it when I'm not seeing patients. I'm a geek, what can I say.

I was shocked when going with a friend this weekend for state inspection on his explorer, the amount of people that pay someone else to change their oil blows my mind. (its a small mind, so it blows easily.)
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I know how they can save a lot of money....give us 4 wheels and let us build the rest our selves.
agreed i could not have to replace all the crappy parts later and drive off the lot with what i really want it to be
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:29 PM   #16
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The software industry has been doing this for some time, no paper manual, everything in PDF. I usually print the PDF manual first thing, and you can always print a copy and put it in the jeep ... but its not nearly as nice as a printed & bound manual. (Only had my jeep 2 days now, and I have read the manual twice already. LOL)

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