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Old 09-05-2008, 01:58 PM   #31
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Please, Like Obama had a clue until his advisors clued him in. National security policy is presented to the president (all presidents) by his national security advisors, state dept and the thousands of employees who form it for our country. There are few other national issues. All politics are LOCAL. Obama doesn't understand a guy from WV very well. Palin doesn't understand a guy from NY well. That's called being human. I beg to differ with anyone who thinks our presidents are really all that smart. They appear smart because of the hard working guys who find the answers for them and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the answers are right!
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She already has one, with a bumper sticker that says 'Vegetarian: Old indian word for poor hunter'....
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Please, Like Obama had a clue until his advisors clued him in. National security policy is presented to the president (all presidents) by his national security advisors, state dept and the thousands of employees who form it for our country. There are few other national issues. All politics are LOCAL. Obama doesn't understand a guy from WV very well. Palin doesn't understand a guy from NY well. That's called being human. I beg to differ with anyone who thinks our presidents are really all that smart. They appear smart because of the hard working guys who find the answers for them and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the answers are right!
Don't agree at all. As a US Senator, Obama HAS to have a grasp of national issues. And the "all politics are local" is what got us Newt Gingrich's Georgia district that got the absolute highest return of federal tax dollars to the local municipality. (I use Newt as an example, but Robert Byrd would be the Democrat example.)
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Don't agree at all. As a US Senator, Obama HAS to have a grasp of national issues.
And you believe that the governor of the largest state in the union has no clue about national issues?
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Please, Like Obama had a clue until his advisors clued him in. National security policy is presented to the president (all presidents) by his national security advisors, state dept and the thousands of employees who form it for our country. There are few other national issues. All politics are LOCAL. Obama doesn't understand a guy from WV very well. Palin doesn't understand a guy from NY well. That's called being human. I beg to differ with anyone who thinks our presidents are really all that smart. They appear smart because of the hard working guys who find the answers for them and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the answers are right!
A candidate makes their bid for election by presenting their national security policy, and you vote them into office on that premise. The little peon careerists don't decide presidential policy. The president appoints cabinet members who insure that the president's policies are adhered to, because that's what he based his election stance on, and presented to the voters.

When you're running for president, you don't listen to the angel and devil on your shoulders. You're supposed to be able to make decisions for yourself, and have the competence to insure that your people carry out YOUR policies. Bush changed his policies into his second term, and if you've noticed, his administration is now different than what it was in the first term. Bush took a less aggressive approach in his second term, and became a little more diplomatic. Some of his cabinet members didn't like this, and that's why they are no longer there. They didn't agree with his new policies, so he replaced them with people who would carry out HIS new policies. That's part of being el presidente.

Obama served as a junior democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, where he met Joe Biden. The SFRC is directly involved in the foreign relations affairs of the US government. To say that Obama doesn't have any foreign policy experience is ignorant, but unfortunately for him, he spent too much time sightseeing in insignificant countries. Surprisingly, he told John Bolton that he agreed with him on most foreign policy issues, which is odd, because John Bolton is pretty hard-lined when it comes to foreign policy.

As far as him being a community organizer, his home town of Chicago doesn't speak well of his experience on a national level. Chicago has what is now an illegal gun ban, but record homicides. He must have organized the gang community.

My take on Obama is, like Hillary, he just wants to be president. Neither of them really care that much about what's required of them once they get there, they just want the title, and the cushy paychecks that come with the speaking jobs you get when your term is over.

All bias aside, if this wasn't an election, and each one of us was tasked with reviewing the applicants and their resumes, and he turned his in for the job, I don't think there is a person out there that would tell him he's perfectly qualified. We would ****can his application and await a qualified candidate.
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And you believe that the governor of the largest state in the union has no clue about national issues?
The short-term governor of a state (largest in land area only) which is PROUD of isolationist tendencies (I've been to Alaska multiple times and seen it, much like my home state's "Visit but please don't stay" tourism slogan in the 60s), and which, since inception, has had a budget surplus from oil wealth that returns thousands to each citizen without even breathing hard or cutting back? Who started off her mayoral career by putting a small town, which had a surplus, heavily in debt?

I don't see her as particularly professionally qualified, no. Her biggest qualification, for her party, is her personal beliefs. And since I don't agree with many of them, I can't say I'm even slightly impressed.
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I don't see her as particularly professionally qualified, no. Her biggest qualification, for her party, is her personal beliefs. And since I don't agree with many of them, I can't say I'm even slightly impressed.
Does Obama have any personal beliefs? Or better yet, are there any personal beliefs that fall within his modest annual pay grade of $162,100?

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Can you cite a source for this information?
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The short-term governor of a state (largest in land area only) which is PROUD of isolationist tendencies (I've been to Alaska multiple times and seen it, much like my home state's "Visit but please don't stay" tourism slogan in the 60s), and which, since inception, has had a budget surplus from oil wealth that returns thousands to each citizen without even breathing hard or cutting back? Who started off her mayoral career by putting a small town, which had a surplus, heavily in debt?
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I don't see her as particularly professionally qualified, no. Her biggest qualification, for her party, is her personal beliefs. And since I don't agree with many of them, I can't say I'm even slightly impressed.
Meh! its an opinion.
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The short-term governor of a state (largest in land area only) which is PROUD of isolationist tendencies (I've been to Alaska multiple times and seen it, much like my home state's "Visit but please don't stay" tourism slogan in the 60s), and which, since inception, has had a budget surplus from oil wealth that returns thousands to each citizen without even breathing hard or cutting back? Who started off her mayoral career by putting a small town, which had a surplus, heavily in debt?

I don't see her as particularly professionally qualified, no. Her biggest qualification, for her party, is her personal beliefs. And since I don't agree with many of them, I can't say I'm even slightly impressed.

So the answer to my question was...???


Silly me, I didn't realize that a state could isolate itself from the union such that it had no dealings at the national level.
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Can you cite a source for this information?
The kindest version, from her home state newspaper:
adn.com | politics : 'Fresh face' launched Palin
(note this is from 2006, when she was running for governor, and hasn;t been updated)



A less kind version:
Wonk Room As Mayor, ‘Hard-Core Fiscal Conservative’ Sarah Palin Left Wasilla $20 Million In Debt
During her term in office, Palin cut property taxes and other small taxes on business. But as the Anchorage Daily News points out, “She wasn’t doing this by shrinking government.” During her tenure, the budget of Wasilla (population 5,469 in 2000) “apart from capital projects and debt, rose from $3.9 million in fiscal 1996 to $5.8 million.”

Palin also successfully pushed through a sales tax increase in Wasilla, which went to fund a $15 million sports complex. However, a land dispute over the sight of the complex led to “years of legal wrangling” and cost Wasilla almost $1.7 million, “a lot more than the roughly $125,000 the city would have paid in 1998 if it had closed a deal to buy the property outright.” Wasilla is still facing budget shortfalls from the case today.

When Palin left office in 2002, Wasilla had “racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt,” or roughly $3,000 of debt per resident.
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Ok, first of all, a liberal blog is NOT a credible source. If they said that $100 bills would fall from the sky every Monday if Obama is elected, would you believe them? The links they use as "sources" to back up their statements don't. Did you really read any of them?

Secondly: (Quoted from your first source)

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Wasilla's growth was taking off, and Palin pushed for bonds to build sewer, water and roads. New big-box stores wanted to be in the city so they could get sewer, water and police protection, even if it meant being annexed. Palin's city was not necessarily an aesthetic crown jewel, especially along the Parks Highway, but the long snake of stores was doing good business. Sales tax revenues grew by half a million dollars a year. Much of the revenue was coming from people who lived outside the town.

Palin was able to cut property taxes by three-quarters while eliminating small taxes such as the personal property tax and the business inventory tax. She wasn't doing this by shrinking government, however: The cost of running the growing city, apart from capital projects and debt, rose from $3.9 million in fiscal 1996 to $5.8 million in fiscal 2002. Excess sales tax revenues went to paying for capital improvements such as roads and government buildings, says city finance director Ted Leonard.

Sounds to me like she was making improvements.....

I would like to see some real accounting data thet shows Wasilla had “racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt,” So far, it seems to just be rumor or distorted facts.
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......... it seems to just be rumor or distorted facts.
In this election it seems to be the norm for both sides. You have got to work hard to find the facts.
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let me tell you from a illinois resident. it doesn't matter if marry poppins runs for office, if she's a democrat she'll get elected. obama has done nothing, he barely ever voted.

he campaigned for his current office the same way he has now. so those who talk about palin's short term, or lack of experience need to think about this: obama has about the same amount of time in his office and has done nothing, palin has done much in her time.

and anyone that will go against the system like her is gonna get crap from all around. i'm suprised there's not more already.
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and anyone that will go against the system like her is gonna get crap from all around. i'm suprised there's not more already.
It's early yet and the big city reporters up there need to be civilized or they may end up staked out in the local garbage dump where they will be feeding the bears...
You might have noticed how 'pleasant' the reporters were when they interviewed her sister and brother in law while surrounded by the locals....
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It's early yet and the big city reporters up there need to be civilized or they may end up staked out in the local garbage dump where they will be feeding the bears...
You might have noticed how 'pleasant' the reporters were when they interviewed her sister and brother in law while surrounded by the locals....
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... obama has about the same amount of time in his office and has done nothing....
I disagree. How many months has he spent on the campaign trail when he should have been in DC doing his job and earning the $162K we pay him every year.

I wish I had a job where they would pay me that kind of money to look for another job.
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I disagree. How many months has he spent on the campaign trail when he should have been in DC doing his job and earning the $162K we pay him every year.

I wish I had a job where they would pay me that kind of money to look for another job.
All I get is unemployment while I look. Somebody added up his time based on three years, they added it up and he's spent TWO of those THREE years campaigning. In the service we called them 'brown nosers' they spent all their time shining up to the brass and never doing the job.
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The idea that presidents make policy before election and then stick to it is a joke. Clinton sent troops to every nation under the sun for nation building services (not his election platform). I don't think JFK ran on war platforms (Vietnam, Cuban Missle Crisis). Bush Sr didn't say anything about saving Kuwait. Reagan wasn't the cold war warrior when he first ran. This stuff comes about AFTER those little people (CIA foot soldiers, military analysist and other govt working slobs) give the persident facts on the ground around the world on that day. Then hard decisions are made. Partisan politics can't change HISTORY. Left wing web sites are NOT historical sources. Junior Senators do not get the same secret briefings the president gets. Once party change happens in the white house during time of war, it's funny how little actually changes. That's because facts on the ground are much different than campain slogans. Just my $.02

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