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Old 12-31-2012, 12:57 AM   #421
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Some of you are seriously scary. I suppose you agree with this guy:

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution "

-Timothy McVey

This was said nearly 20 years ago and none of his paranoid, mentally-ill conspiracy theories have happened...and they won't in your lifetimes either.

What worries me most is that people who think like this are going to get tired of waiting for their Rambo fantasies to come true and so decide to be the next whack-job to dress up in their fetishistic commando gear and take out a bunch of innocent people. You can dress it up in the skin of patriotism all you want, but underneath it's just naked aggression and the desire to destroy. I can only hope that those who feel this way have some shred of sanity left and will recognize that they need professional help.
Government is getting bigger, more bold and stepping the bounds of the constitution everyday. If you don't see that then you need to do some serious research.

No one here is a whack job, but no one is here to have our liberties taken from us and see our great nation fall to a corrupt government thats been spiraling out of control before T. Mcvey was even born.

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Ed,Ed,Ed...

It's happening so slowly, but yet at the speed of light.

Do you realize that out nation is only two hundred years old? And we went from only having a war tax, to a tax on everything we do.

Do you realize that we went from being authorized a free jury trial from anything over a value of $25 being contested, to being charged for a jury trial unless you are suspected of committing a felony.

Do you realize that the United Nations is deciding how we spend our foreign aid?

Do you realize that it is illegal for a foreign nation to lobby our congress?
And that our Federal bank isn't federal in the sense of government but is a private institution..

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This country is about to take a huge crap if they don't start putting some changes into effect. We need to tax the rich more and stop all this military spending and all these other funds. We need a strong military but we spend more on our military then everyother country combined! Canada for crying out.loud hardly spends anything on there military because were so close to them and ours is so strong.
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This country is about to take a huge crap if they don't start putting some changes into effect. We need to tax the rich more and stop all this military spending and all these other funds. We need a strong military but we spend more on our military then everyother country combined! Canada for crying out.loud hardly spends anything on there military because were so close to them and ours is so strong.
Canada actually has a very well funded, and trained, Army. Being neighbors with the US means they need to be well trained.
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And that our Federal bank isn't federal in the sense of government but is a private institution..
Don't get me started on that subject.
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This country is about to take a huge crap if they don't start putting some changes into effect. We need to tax the rich more and stop all this military spending and all these other funds. We need a strong military but we spend more on our military then everyother country combined! Canada for crying out.loud hardly spends anything on there military because were so close to them and ours is so strong.
We just keep quiet on our military and have held our own for many years. Yes the usa has helped us but we have also helped them.

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We just keep quiet on our military and have held our own for many years. Yes the usa has helped us but we have also helped them.

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How is canadas economic stand point? Iv heard its doing pritty good. Is it?
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Some of you are seriously scary. I suppose you agree with this guy:

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly. It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution "

-Timothy McVey

This was said nearly 20 years ago and none of his paranoid, mentally-ill conspiracy theories have happened...and they won't in your lifetimes either.

What worries me most is that people who think like this are going to get tired of waiting for their Rambo fantasies to come true and so decide to be the next whack-job to dress up in their fetishistic commando gear and take out a bunch of innocent people. You can dress it up in the skin of patriotism all you want, but underneath it's just naked aggression and the desire to destroy. I can only hope that those who feel this way have some shred of sanity left and will recognize that they need professional help.
I'm with you on the none violent response when they come knocking but I don't believe in surrendering your weapon. I suggest bury your firearms and don't surrender them face the prison time till its time. We must organize. If we go look for the Rambo thing we will just get pick off one at a time and we will fail. We must organize to resist.
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No one here is a whack job, but no one is here to have our liberties taken from us and see our great nation fall to a corrupt government thats been spiraling out of control before T. Mcvey was even born.
In 1911 taft refused to empower the Federal reserve. So the shysters put Roosevelt on the ticket against Taft and Woodrow Wilson. Taft and Roosevelt split the republican votes, and handed the presidential election to Woodrow Wilson. within 6 months of Wilson becoming president, he signed into law the federal reserve act.

The rest is history...
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I'm with you on the none violent response when they come knocking but I don't believe in surrendering your weapon. I suggest bury your firearms and don't surrender them face the prison time till its time. We must organize. If we go look for the Rambo thing we will just get pick off one at a time and we will fail. We must organize to resist.


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I'm with you on the none violent response when they come knocking but I don't believe in surrendering your weapon. I suggest bury your firearms and don't surrender them face the prison time till its time. We must organize. If we go look for the Rambo thing we will just get pick off one at a time and we will fail. We must organize to resist.
An actual gun grab like happened in Australia is very very highly unlikely to ever be passed in the US. We still have to worry about smaller gun control laws that are based on ignorance and piss on the Constitution though.
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How is canadas economic stand point? Iv heard its doing pritty good. Is it?
Oh we are doing well. Was better before the decline, but we seem to be even busier now. We always seem to need more workers up here!

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Oh we are doing well. Was better before the decline, but we seem to be even busier now. We always seem to need more workers up here!

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I think the US should look at canada and take some ideas from them. They seem to be on the right track.
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You would think if more people carried guns crazy could be put down. by tell people no gun allowed . your saying this is a great place to kill people . no one has a gun. not say guns are the answer. Gun control is not are problem it crazy control and if crazy threatens to take me or mine I well put it down ...
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I'll just leave this here, FYI: that Militia the 2nd amendment talks about is not about hunting deer, its about protecting ourselves form our government when it goes tyrant. We the People are all members of that Militia, and what happens when any army loses its weapons?

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Their ban on drugs works so well . Ban well just make a black market for the bad guys guns don't kill crazys kill I would bet if a crazy shows up with a gun in your house you want someone with a gun . I think better gun training and awareness of guns should be made. as times get harder more shoting are inevitable . be prepaired know what a gun sounds like . Money is protected by armed guard important people protected by guns it time we stand and be protected as are country was founded on the right to bare arms . Not saying everyone should have the right but all should be aware ..
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I dont need to be a member of nra or any other group. its plain and simply I enjoy having guns and enjoy the (potential) protection they offer.
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their ban on drugs works so well . Ban well just make a black market for the bad guys guns don't kill crazys kill i would bet if a crazy shows up with a gun in your house you want someone with a gun . I think better gun training and awareness of guns should be made. As times get harder more shoting are inevitable . Be prepaired know what a gun sounds like . Money is protected by armed guard important people protected by guns it time we stand and be protected as are country was founded on the right to bare arms . Not saying everyone should have the right but all should be aware ..
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I'll just leave this here, FYI: that Militia the 2nd amendment talks about is not about hunting deer, its about protecting ourselves form our government when it goes tyrant. We the People are all members of that Militia, and what happens when any army loses its weapons?

We die.
Comparing Obama to Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin...totally reasonable. He's so similar in ideology to them, and those countries also had constitutional governments with democratically elected executive and legislative branches that act to check and balance each other.

I'd say it's going to be an interesting next 2 to 3 years if we're going to go from *talking* about limiting *some* types of guns to having jack-booted thugs and death squads going door to door and confiscating anything that shoots a bullet. How long before the extermination camps are up and running, do you think? Maybe when Hillary is president?

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Comparing Obama to Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin...totally reasonable. He's so similar in ideology to them, and those countries also had constitutional governments with democratically elected executive and legislative branches that act to check and balance each other.

I'd say it's going to be an interesting next 2 to 3 years if we're going to go from *talking* about limiting *some* types of guns to having jack-booted thugs and death squads going door to door and confiscating anything that shoots a bullet. How long before the extermination camps are up and running, do you think? Maybe when Hillary is president?

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Comparing Obama to Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin...totally reasonable. He's so similar in ideology to them, and those countries also had constitutional governments with democratically elected executive and legislative branches that act to check and balance each other.

I'd say it's going to be an interesting next 2 to 3 years if we're going to go from *talking* about limiting *some* types of guns to having jack-booted thugs and death squads going door to door and confiscating anything that shoots a bullet. How long before the extermination camps are up and running, do you think? Maybe when Hillary is president?

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Comparing Obama to Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin...totally reasonable. He's so similar in ideology to them, and those countries also had constitutional governments with democratically elected executive and legislative branches that act to check and balance each other.

I'd say it's going to be an interesting next 2 to 3 years if we're going to go from *talking* about limiting *some* types of guns to having jack-booted thugs and death squads going door to door and confiscating anything that shoots a bullet. How long before the extermination camps are up and running, do you think? Maybe when Hillary is president?

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Point being, the proposed gun laws (looking at you, DiFi) are specious and silly. CT had an "assault weapons" ban in place. DC, Chicago and other high crime areas have very strict gun laws. There was an "assault weapons" ban from 1994-2004, with little effect (Columbine shooting?).

The "*some* types of gun" ban doesn't work, and there's simply no reason for it.
This type of reaction is just silly, knee-jerk legislation, that only give people the illusion of safety.

Adam Lanza broke 41 laws in his shooting spree. Would he have stopped if there had been 42?
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I agree completely. The opposition is no doubt counting on our lack of organization. Most men between the ages of generally 18 to 60, depending on your state, dont realize they are already in the militia; or that when the 2a speaks of the well regulated militia that refers to all of us male citizens. We are supposed to be the line of defense against tyranny.
But what about the tyrants that call us malitia. They call us malitia but "try" to ban or take your weapons
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I gotta agree with you guys. People here NRA and think guns guns guns guns guns guns. Its not the case the nra just protects are right to own guns and controls what how and where we get them. The nra is to help us and most people who are anti gun won't agree with that.!
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I look at that and see its very anti gun. What pisses me off is will Farrell is in a anti gun commercial and they show him in one of his movies shotting someone! How HYPOCRITICAL is that?!
Hell! He shot his own self..lol
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Some of you are seriously scary. I suppose you agree with this guy:

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly. It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution "

-Timothy McVey

This was said nearly 20 years ago and none of his paranoid, mentally-ill conspiracy theories have happened...and they won't in your lifetimes either.

What worries me most is that people who think like this are going to get tired of waiting for their Rambo fantasies to come true and so decide to be the next whack-job to dress up in their fetishistic commando gear and take out a bunch of innocent people. You can dress it up in the skin of patriotism all you want, but underneath it's just naked aggression and the desire to destroy. I can only hope that those who feel this way have some shred of sanity left and will recognize that they need professional help.
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Hello, Pot, I am Kettle.

The implication that a desire to arm my family, in keeping with the wishes of the Constitution and US history, not just today but into the future, because I can read what was written and understand what it means, somehow makes me equal to Mcvey or that I would need help - THEN SAYING COMPARING HITLER AND OBAMA IS UNREASONABLE - is a disgusting notion, and a pathetic attempt at an attack. Typical American politics, cry when they do it, defend when you do it.

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Comparing Obama to Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin...totally reasonable. He's so similar in ideology to them, and those countries also had constitutional governments with democratically elected executive and legislative branches that act to check and balance each other.
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Read up on German history, the Reichstag Fire, Marinus van der Lubbe, and the Enabling Act. Yes, they had a democratic govt with balances, until the President made himself dictator and fired the rest - just like in Va in 1774.

Those without a knowledge of history are certain to repeat mistakes of the past. We, as a species, are so dumb we must all touch the flames to feel the burn for ourselves. Watching our friends burn themselves just doesn't seem to be enough.
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But what about the tyrants that call us malitia. They call us malitia but "try" to ban or take your weapons
They have demonized the term "militia" and changed the meaning into something the founders never intended. In the 2a the rights of the "people" grammatically refers back to the previous word "militia." Militia=armed people=security of a free state.
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government is getting bigger, more bold and stepping the bounds of the constitution everyday. If you don't see that then you need to do some serious research.

No one here is a whack job, but no one is here to have our liberties taken from us and see our great nation fall to a corrupt government thats been spiraling out of control before t. Mcvey was even born.
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An actual gun grab like happened in Australia is very very highly unlikely to ever be passed in the US. We still have to worry about smaller gun control laws that are based on ignorance and piss on the Constitution though.
What is so different from the gun grab that happens in Australia and the road we are on. All I'm saying is once the grab happens it will be to late. Australia had mobile chop shops. The weapons were destroyed on the spot. No stock piles to raid later. If we all stick together regardless of prosecution the system will fail. Remember they want your arms, not you. They need you to work and pay taxes. By not giving your arms and facing jail. You are giving them neither.

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