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Old 12-31-2012, 08:34 AM   #451
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What is so different from the gun grab that happens in Australia and the road we are on. All I'm saying is once the grab happens it will be to late. Australia had mobile chop shops. The weapons were destroyed on the spot. No stock piles to raid later. If we all stick together regardless of prosecution the system will fail. Remember they want your arms, not you. They need you to work and pay taxes. By not giving your arms and facing jail. You are giving them neither.
Unlike Australian's we aren't subjects of the Queen. And we have a Constitution that specifically protects our right to arms. A mandatory gun grab won't happen. Besides...how much money would we have to borrow from China to pay people for turning in a half billion firearms?

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Unlike Australian's we aren't subjects of the Queen. And we have a Constitution that specifically protects our right to arms. A mandatory gun grab won't happen. Besides...how much money would we have to borrow from China to pay people for turning in a half billion firearms?
Guns were confiscated from law abiding citizens in N.O. in the wake of Katrina. Bush signed an executive order forbidding that type of violation afterward, but how can we be sure some "disaster" won't prompt BHO to sign an EO changing that again? I certainly wouldn't put it past him.
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Guns were confiscated from law abiding citizens in N.O. in the wake of Katrina. Bush signed an executive order forbidding that type of violation afterward, but how can we be sure some "disaster" won't prompt BHO to sign an EO changing that again? I certainly wouldn't put it past him.
I don't believe that was ordered by the president though right? Wasn't it started by the NOPD? And not everyone followed it.

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I don't believe that was ordered by the president though right? Wasn't it started by the NOPD? And not everyone followed it.

I believe you are correct but that doesnt mean that the fed gov wouldnt put out such an order in the case of some sort of "emergency". What happened during Katrina is just evidence that confiscation isnt out of the realm of possibility.
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If it did happen whoever tries to take my guns is going to have a bad day.
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Sans the aforementioned "Rambo fantasies, ....naked aggression and the desire to destroy", of course.

I can only hope that those who feel restricting law-abiding citizens as a way to stop crime have some shred of sanity left and will recognize that they need professional help.
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You guys get that it wouldn't be US reservists or even active duty coming, right? It'll be some clean cut nice guy driving a suburban or H2 wearing a collared shirt that has some neat insignia like Blackwater or Ravenwood. That's the guy that keeps me awake.

I agree with Raiderfan, confiscation won't happen here. Banning will, but look at the effect that has had on select fire availability in 25 short years. Now think about 85 years from now, or 150. How many 2013 AR15s will be surviving?

Don't miss the big picture - our founders didn't.

One mo' ag'n... the 2nd says the armies actual guns should be kept in the populace, by members of ACTIVE militias. Not just people 18-45 (though with selective service registration the arguement can certainly be made that I am active militia). This means no Army, but citizens who regularly muster and are available for call outs. It essentially means the State Guards can take their guns, hummers, tanks, and bradleys home with them. This is the intention of our founding fathers - see my first paragraph for why. You think the US is the first Nation to use mercenaries??? Not by a long shot. German Hessians were actually hired by the Brits in the War of American Independence, and were a long cultured tribe of paid warriors (Daniel Morgans Riflemen took the Hessians silk banaster and later presented it to G Washington as a victory present - hows that for a militia?) even previous to that. Back to the Swiss Pikemen and before. Now we're talking almost 1000 years ago, pre magna carta.
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You guys get that it wouldn't be US reservists or even active duty coming, right? It'll be some clean cut nice guy driving a suburban or H2 wearing a collared shirt that has some neat insignia like Blackwater or Ravenwood. That's the guy that keeps me awake.

I agree with Raiderfan, confiscation won't happen here. Banning will, but look at the effect that has had on select fire availability in 25 short years. Now think about 85 years from now, or 150. How many 2013 AR15s will be surviving?

Don't miss the big picture - our founders didn't.

One mo' ag'n... the 2nd says the armies actual guns should be kept in the populace, by members of ACTIVE militias. Not just people 18-45 (though with selective service registration the arguement can certainly be made that I am active militia). This means no Army, but citizens who regularly muster and are available for call outs. It essentially means the State Guards can take their guns, hummers, tanks, and bradleys home with them. This is the intention of our founding fathers - see my first paragraph for why.
So which is it? The mercenaries are coming to take our guns and you lose sleep over it, or confiscation won't happen here?

The Second Amendment is a single sentence: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It has been, and will continue to be, debated and disputed by courts and scholars as to its intent and meaning.

You are obviously a student of history. Therefore it surprises me that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin in your signature line. The correct quote is:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

I know that doesn't sound nearly as prescient and foreboding as when words are added, taken away and changed to make it seem more relevant to gun control, but it's just not what he wrote.
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That would be the smoking gun the Feds will use to label gun owners as violent people. If that's the choice you make. You will only get killed and your weapon will be destroyed. Then they will go next door and repeat as needed. The government will be successful if they can do that but not if we organize hide the weapon for later use. Let the government be the villain.
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So which is it? The mercenaries are coming to take our guns and you lose sleep over it, or confiscation won't happen here?

The Second Amendment is a single sentence: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It has been, and will continue to be, debated and disputed by courts and scholars as to its intent and meaning.

You are obviously a student of history. Therefore it surprises me that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin in your signature line. The correct quote is:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

I know that doesn't sound nearly as prescient and foreboding as when words are added, taken away and changed to make it seem more relevant to gun control, but it's just not what he wrote.
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So which is it? The mercenaries are coming to take our guns and you lose sleep over it, or confiscation won't happen here?

The Second Amendment is a single sentence: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It has been, and will continue to be, debated and disputed by courts and scholars as to its intent and meaning.

You are obviously a student of history. Therefore it surprises me that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin in your signature line. The correct quote is:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

I know that doesn't sound nearly as prescient and foreboding as when words are added, taken away and changed to make it seem more relevant to gun control, but it's just not what he wrote.
One could argue that the founding fathers, (Franklin included, who founded a PA militia regiment, now the 111th Infantry Regiment)

...considered the right to bear arms as an "essential" liberty. It is, afterall part of our Bill of Rights.

See Franklin's Plain Truth for insight:

Benjamin Franklin Writer and Printer: Plain Truth


As far as ideas about confiscations go, I'm not one prone to conspiratorial navel-gazing, but what I hear some saying is pretty worrisome:

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In the interview, Mr. Cuomo did not offer specifics about the measures he might propose, but, while discussing assault weapons, he said: “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/ny...onth.html?_r=0
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So which is it? The mercenaries are coming to take our guns and you lose sleep over it, or confiscation won't happen here?

The Second Amendment is a single sentence: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It has been, and will continue to be, debated and disputed by courts and scholars as to its intent and meaning.

You are obviously a student of history. Therefore it surprises me that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin in your signature line. The correct quote is:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin

I know that doesn't sound nearly as prescient and foreboding as when words are added, taken away and changed to make it seem more relevant to gun control, but it's just not what he wrote.
Thanks; I do consider myself a student of many things, though none formally.

Let me address my signature first. Dr Franklin would never say "They who can". Here is the original quotation, from publisher "Benjamin Franklin, LL. D.":

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Although it was likely authored by Richard Jackson, then edited and published by Dr Franklin. Either way, he owns up to the quote in his autobiography, making it a belief of his whether he said it first or not. I find the modern version to be a simpler interpritation for most to understand and conveying the same message. To understand that, we have to understand the context of the quote.

In 1759 Dr Franklin went to London. He went to convince the decedents of Wm Penn, who Pennsylvania is named for, to pay for arms to equip the Indians and pioneer colonists to assemble protective militias. In other words, to get the govt to GIVE guns to citizens. See, the PA Assy did not grant the Gov authority to do it, and the assy itself couldn't afford it, greatly due to the royalties paid to the Penn Family. These frontier families were constantly bombarded by terrorist attacks, something my govt tells me is a real and grave threat even today. The French had armed the Delaware and other Indian tribes to encourage these raids under "guise" of getting their land back, and the citizens were completely reliant on (nonexistant) govt security.

This supplies the foundation for the belief the citizenry has a Right of selfdefense through arms ownership. No govt can take that away, period. That is what the 2nd says.

As for the whole quote, it wouldn't fit. Mine conveys the point.
"In fine, we have the most sensible Concern for the poor distressed Inhabitants of the Frontiers. We have taken every Step in our Power, consistent with the just Rights of the Freemen of Pennsylvania, for their Relief, and we have Reason to believe, that in the Midst of their Distresses they themselves do not wish us to go farther. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Such as were inclined to defend themselves, but unable to purchase Arms and Ammunition, have, as we are informed, been supplied with both, as far as Arms could be procured, out of Monies given by the last Assembly for the King’s Use; and the large Supply of Money offered by this Bill, might enable the Governor to do every Thing else that should be judged necessary for their farther Security, if he shall think fit to accept it. Whether he could, as he supposes, “if his Hands had been properly strengthened, have put the Province into such a Posture of Defence, as might have prevented the present Mischiefs,” seems to us uncertain; since late Experience in our neighbouring Colony of Virginia (which had every Advantage for that Purpose that could be desired) shows clearly, that it is next to impossible to guard effectually an extended Frontier, settled by scattered single Families at two or three Miles Distance, so as to secure them from the insiduous Attacks of small Parties of skulking Murderers: But thus much is certain, that by refusing our Bills from Time to Time, by which great Sums were seasonably offered, he has rejected all the Strength that Money could afford him; and if his Hands are still weak or unable, he ought only to blame himself, or those who have tied them." Dr Franklins letter to the Gov of PA, 1755. This was repeated in print in 1759, and distributed after his death.

(And I will sneak in a related quote "When the well is dry, we will know the worth of water")

But as one could point out, this was Colonist Franklin, a devout and loyal servant to the King. It was not until several years later he abandoned the thought that the colonies could remain under his rule.

So lets look then.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

"Whereas it appeareth that however certain forms of government are better calculated than others to protect individuals in the free exercise of their natural rights, and are at the same time themselves better guarded against degeneracy, yet experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth, that, possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes; And whereas it is generally true that that people will be happiest whose laws are best, and are best administered, and that laws will be wisely formed, and honestly administered, in proportion as those who form and administer them are wise and honest; whence it becomes expedient for promoting the publick happiness that those person, whom nature hath endowed with genius and virtue, should be rendered by liberal education worthy to receive, and able to guard the sacred deposit of the rights and liberties of their fellow citizens, and that they should be called to that charge without regard to wealth, birth or other accidental condition or circumstance; but the indigence of the greater number disabling them from so educating, at their own expence, those of their children whom nature hath fitly formed and disposed to become useful instruments for the public, it is better that such should be sought for and educated at the common expence of all, than that the happiness of all should be confided to the weak or wicked:..." This later became the bill creating public schools, for the purpose of teaching endowed rights to protect liberty.

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem {I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery as commonly quoted, or I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude to be more accurate}. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that*a little rebellion*now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

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"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press."
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"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... nothwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison

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To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

"The particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the Constitution is void; and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument." SCOTUS CJ John Marshall

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms"

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Richard Henry Lee, Senator, 1st Congress

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear private arms." Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, 1789

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" Patrick Henry

"Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." Eldrege Gerry, specifically talking about the 2nd Amendmend in Congress, 1789

"The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals ... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has the right to deprive them of." Albert Gallatin

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" Samual Adams

"Whenever people ... entrust the defense of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens..." The Independent Gazetteer, 1791

"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." Arkansas Supreme Court

"[T]o disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" George Mason

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." Noah Webster

"... if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?" Delegate Sedgewick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail.

And many, many, many more quotes just like these.

And then more modern:

"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately ... The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon ... must be regarded as an enemy of the national government." SA Oberfuhrer Bad Tolz

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." Heinrich Himmler

"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious." Joseph Goebbels

"There are going to be situations where people are going to go without assistance. That's just the facts of life." LA Police Cheif Darryl Gates

What on Earth is foggy about the intent?

BTW, I didn't say those guys will be coming to collect your guns. Like I said, confiscation won't happen here anytime soon.

And that's without mentioning the Williamsburg, Mass, or Penn raids on armories, another compelling arguement for a well armed (military weapons) populace.
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The scenario is part of a counterterrorism summit held this week. A zombie invasion would have characteristics similar to other catastrophic events and would be 'a federal incident,' a summit organizer says.


Does anyone believe this? I think the true intention is remove zombie and insert US citizen.
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The scenario is part of a counterterrorism summit held this week. A zombie invasion would have characteristics similar to other catastrophic events and would be 'a federal incident,' a summit organizer says.

Does anyone believe this? I think the true intention is remove zombie and insert US citizen.
I think all that zombie BS is crap ... I think there's no way that could ever happon. It just seems impossible. All the tv shows and movies about zombies are filling peoples heads and putting them in fear of a apocalyptic event.
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I think all that zombie BS is crap ... I think there's no way that could ever happon. It just seems impossible. All the tv shows and movies about zombies are filling peoples heads and putting them in fear of a apocalyptic event.
It was never about zombies. It's a training manual for handling the general public.
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It was never about zombies. It's a training manual for handling the general public.
I know its saying the us forces train for a zombie situation and im just saying I think zombies are never gonna be real and its all crap is all.
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Idk, Sometimes I feel like a zombie
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Idk, Sometimes I feel like a zombie
Lol have a long night and have to get up early in the morning for work and your ass is draggen! Haha someone says something to you and all you say is ehhhhh or let out some long grown.... im like that every morning. Takes about a hour for me to get going and not be all zombie ish lol
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:47 AM   #473
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it was never about zombies. It's a training manual for handling the general public.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:04 AM   #475
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Left off the attachment, oops. Here is the actual quote, as printed in 1759:

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Where did you find it?
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:48 AM   #476
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I know its saying the us forces train for a zombie situation and im just saying I think zombies are never gonna be real and its all crap is all.
I think all the zombie stuff has brought Emergency prepardness to the light. Or instilling some type of survival instinct back to city folk
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:34 AM   #477
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This is a photo-image of the 1812 reprint of his 1759 work "A Historical Review of Pennsylvania", all 488 pages. His quote can be seen on pg 289, towards the bottom in the last paragraph. I can't get search to work, but if you slide the little finger 2/3 to the right you'll be close.

http://archive.org/stream/historicalreview00jack

I found an alleged 1st edition image of the original printing (quote only), what I posted, in which the type layout is different from above in that it is the last sentence of the page, leaving "289" opposite from Safety for symmetry. This is likely because Dr Franklin, while a very good printer, was setting the letters individually. Later they would have been able to use the original as a guide to figure out even lines, as is seen in the 1812 print. For this reason, and because of research done by the quoted poster, I believe this to be authentic. It is certainly word for word with the 1812, attributed to Dr Franklin entirely. The original poster admittedly covered the 289 to provide the quote alone.
It can be seen with more extensive works on the quotation by Richard Minsky here:
http://futureofthebook.com/franklin-quoted-by-minsky/

You can own an original 1759 printing from philaprintshop.com, under their rare books, for 750$. Then you can show us all, or buy me one!!! Lol.

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Idk, Sometimes I feel like a zombie
There are actually many here now and they are registered to vote.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:03 AM   #479
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I think all that zombie BS is crap ... I think there's no way that could ever happon. It just seems impossible. All the tv shows and movies about zombies are filling peoples heads and putting them in fear of a apocalyptic event.
His point is, why would the army do that? It isn't just pomp - they are training for a potential of some type. And it isn't zombies.

Of course, why was the NY Air Gaurd flying over the Atlantic Ocean on 9/11/01 to practice intercepting hijacked airliners destined for NYC, which is why jets were scrambled from VA to protect the skies (The NY fighters were unarmed for training, so even if they got back they would be pretty useless), if it was "unimaginable"???

And rabies is a "zombie virus", it just has a 25 day incubation period. Were it to fuse with a more flu-like virus, easily transferable and fast incubation, you could potentially have zombies, however very unlikely. There are several other ways, too, including an African virus very little is known about which causes victims to shake constantly, become immoblie, and cooks the brain. It has 100% mortality, and causes people to just lay there until they die. Sadly children are most oftenly afflicted with it, though it is EXTREMELY rare. Still, the potential exists.

Romero zombies? Nope. But in the spirit of the soon returning Walking Dead...

"When there is no more room in Hell, the dead shall walk the Earth" Dawn of the Dead
"(19)*Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (20)*Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. (21)*For, behold, the*Lord*cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." Book of Isaiah, 26: 19-21, NIV Bible
"(12)*This is the plague with which the*Lord*will strike*all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.*(13)*On that day people will be stricken by the*Lord*with great panic.*They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another." Book of Zachariah, 14: 12-13, NIV Bible
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"We're coming to get you, Barbara!"
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There are actually many here now and they are registered to vote.
I think some of the people are missing the point.

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Here is the manual that was used on 10/31/12. Now look at the image. Now take the zombie out and put yourself in its place. No virus, no fever, and above all NO GUN but you still have a pulse.

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