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Old 01-01-2013, 11:22 AM   #481
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"Barker acknowledges that the “zombie apocalypse is very whimsical,” telling the Military Times that the scenario was created to “add some levity to the more-dire scenarios summitgoers will encounter,” including terrorists roaming hospital halls shooting people and pilots trapped behind enemy lines."

I think you're taking the zombie training a little bit too seriously...

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There are actually many here now and they are registered to vote.
I agree with that, some even made it to office.

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I think you're taking the zombie training a little bit too seriously...
"No doubt when a zombie apocalypse occurs, it's going to be a federal incident, so we're making it happen," Barker said.*

Lol, just havin fun there.

The only disturbing part to me is the buy in at 1000$ each (funded by you and I), and it is run by a private firm - a defense firm. Of course, fat cow defense spenders say it is a good use of money. But then again, read my previous quotes to learn why that is not only expected, but the greatest threat to freedom. And they do it anually, starting in 2006.

Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who don't. - Jefferson likely never said that, but that doesn't invalidate the realsim of it. He did say
"I presume he is a gun-man, as I am sure he ought to be, and every American who wishes to protect his farm from the ravages of quadrupeds & his country from those of biped invaders."

Don't rely on another man for the defense of your family. As Americans, we do every day.
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I think all the zombie stuff has brought Emergency prepardness to the light. Or instilling some type of survival instinct back to city folk
I totally skipped over your post, but that is exactly why they said they were doing it. The CDC had issued a statement telling Americans to be prepared for a zombie apocalypse - because we never listened when they said floods, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards, nor' easters, high winds, volcanos, terrorist strikes, local emergencies, meteors, asteroids, plasma bursts, coronal mass ejections, invaders from space, the sky falling, moonbeams of violence, etc, etc. So they figured it would get our attention, be funner, and what you would need for a ZA you would also need for the above events. The whole theme being be ready, be prepared, and be sufficient.

Still silly, and wasteful, for feds to do it, particularly how they do it.
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This is a photo-image of the 1812 reprint of his 1759 work "A Historical Review of Pennsylvania", all 488 pages. His quote can be seen on pg 289, towards the bottom in the last paragraph. I can't get search to work, but if you slide the little finger 2/3 to the right you'll be close.

An historical review of Pennsylvania, from its origin. Embracing, among other subjects,the various points of controversy which have arisen, from time to time, between the several governors and the assemblies. Founded on authentic documents

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I totally skipped over your post, but that is exactly why they said they were doing it. The CDC had issued a statement telling Americans to be prepared for a zombie apocalypse - because we never listened when they said floods, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards, nor' easters, high winds, volcanos, terrorist strikes, local emergencies, meteors, asteroids, plasma bursts, coronal mass ejections, invaders from space, the sky falling, moonbeams of violence, etc, etc. So they figured it would get our attention, be funner, and what you would need for a ZA you would also need for the above events. The whole theme being be ready, be prepared, and be sufficient.

Still silly, and wasteful, for feds to do it, particularly how they do it.
I agree. They just used Mass Media to get their point this time..
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We as a country have put ourselves in this current situation by electing (again) our current administration. (I voted for Johnson, so...not guilty! Hahaha)
Anyways, we KNEW that a gun-ban was on the backburner for Obama's 2nd term. Remember, he doesn't have to answer to voters anymore, and can do just about whatever he wants. Thank God he'll have opposition with our checks-and-balances built into the system.

The night he got re-elected, an old saying kept roaming around in my brain. It fits our situation perfectly. It goes like this:

Like the scorpion said to the maiden as she lay dying, "You KNEW I was poison when you picked me up."
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Celtic, my pleasure. We have a responsibility to know and distribute the information relating to our Rights. It is not easy to find.Happy New Year to you and yours as well.

Peanut, look at my Goebbells quote about repetition in the media. Now look at commercials (apply directly to the forehead). It gets the point across, and it is the only way to reach 'primitive' people.

JC, I really didn't he think he would go for the whole gun grab. I really didn't even expect him to go for the AW ban. He has been really mums the word about it. Alas, it appears all that hype may just come to fruition. Perhaps self fullfilling, perhaps by design. (I did not vote for him, ever)
I did know we were in trouble when he whispered to the Russian PoohBa "Wait till after the election - I will have more flexibility". That is a concerning statement to say the least. Johnson was the best ticket option, but shame on the GOP for the Dr Paul fiasco.
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Senator Dianne Feinstein,
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.
We, the people, deserve better than you.
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More cars kill people on the highway every year than guns kill people in America. If they think banning assualt weapons is the answer, then they should ban sports cars too.
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Senator Dianne Feinstein,
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.
We, the people, deserve better than you.
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More cars kill people on the highway every year than guns kill people in America. If they think banning assualt weapons is the answer, then they should ban sports cars too.
Then people will say if we can ban assault rifles then let's ban hand guns to! Hey we can ban them so let's ban all guns! So they mine as well take away not just spots cars but our regular cars and motorcycles to!
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Senator Dianne Feinstein,
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.
We, the people, deserve better than you.
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I'm just concerned that you've been in the military for 8 years and you're still just a Cpl. Couple of Article 15's? No worries man...some of the best soldiers I knew in the Army had been busted down in rank a couple times before toeing the line.
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In regards to the letter I both agree and disagree. On some level it's logical based on reasons we were founded. But we also have elected officials voted by the populace to make decisions that reflect the majority. I think few things: 1) have term limits for all officials 2) get rid of electoral college (I'm aware of drawbacks) 3) increase voter turnout and education.
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Here's a link for the people that don't believe we need the 2nd amendment for protection against all enemies foreign and domestic.

No legal justification needs to be made public for targeted assassinations of American citizens via drones.

Judge Rules Memo on Targeted Killing Can Remain Secret
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Published: January 2, 2013

WASHINGTON — A federal judge in Manhattan refused on Wednesday to require the Justice Department to disclose a memorandum providing the legal justification for the targeted killing of a United States citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who died in a drone strike in Yemen in 2011...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...in-secret.html
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I'm just concerned that you've been in the military for 8 years and you're still just a Cpl. Couple of Article 15's? No worries man...some of the best soldiers I knew in the Army had been busted down in rank a couple times before toeing the line.

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In regards to the letter I both agree and disagree. On some level it's logical based on reasons we were founded. But we also have elected officials voted by the populace to make decisions that reflect the majority. I think few things: 1) have term limits for all officials 2) get rid of electoral college (I'm aware of drawbacks) 3) increase voter turnout and education.
1. We do, and call them elections. If the populace is incapable of electing qualified individuals, why does kicking them out every x years help? Please elaborate.
2. Why on Earth would you want to assimilate all of the States into a Federal Territory, such as Great Britian? What's next, repeal the 10th Amendment? The Electoral College is a partial safegaurd against this action keeping each state a free Republic of its own. They assemble together, like the "Justice League", to do the greater good. That is the intent of Federal Government by design. I do not need a King, nor do I need California to select my leader. Perhaps we agree the States should reform how these votes happen? Something more like KS, where each district votes, not winner take all?
Those who know good, do good. Socrates (iirc)
3. Here I agree. Australia enjoys some 95% voter turnout, namely due to the fact all eligable citizens are legally bound to vote. It is very sad that is the measure that needs to be taken to resolve non-involvement in Democracy, but it is what it is. Not sure how I feel about the ability to pass such a law, though. It is a bit gray.

As far as the letter, I think it is propaganda, but it resonates with many. I'm not sure the writer truely exists, and don't appreciate the conotation that serving grants exclusive rights. It is actually the oposite, other wise the sub captain couldn't close the hatch, so to speak. I don't want to start a p__sin match about this, just throwing out my thoughts. No disrespect intended - and the point of the letter is actual. We can have guns, and they shouldn't have registration #s. Don't try to tell me You, the govt, can be better trusted with arms than myself. That arguement is a strawman fallacy, as I am the govt.... but now I rant...

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Here's a link for the people that don't believe we need the 2nd amendment for protection against all enemies foreign and domestic.

No legal justification needs to be made public for targeted assassinations of American citizens via drones....
Don't forget they also hit Mr al-Alwaki the junior, a 17yo kid standing on a corner with "other enemy combatents", with (likely) a Hellfire missle, blowing them all up. No trial, no charges, no endowed Rights, no due process, and I think that is cruel, and I believe we can all agree unusual, punishment. No convicted capital offender has ever been executed by missle. Ever.
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And a lil Jefferson I stumbled across today:

"... I will now add what I do not like. First the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly & without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal & unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land & not by the law of nations... Let me add that a bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, & what no just government should refuse, or rest on inferences. ..."

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The populace cannot vote away the Rights endowed.
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There is a catch-22 there. If majority elects them then that's what they want. And if you can't understand why term limits are a good thing then refer to George Washington and Gary Johnson. Both eloquently put it better than I could. Mr Johnson especially does in our current society.
I'm not sure a pure popular vote is best but I know current electoral college is not. Hours before Alaska and Hawaii finished voting, heck while people in my state of SC were still in line the presidential election was over. A weighted vote of sorts would be more efficient. It's not my role to decide it but the current system discourages voting bc it shows how unimportant we all are individually.
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And I think you mean Maine and Nebraska, not Kansas.
And I think you overestimate how popular vote works. California won't decide votes historically speaking. (3 times)
But I am more for districts or counties rather than 1 state takes all. A lot of good info avail on it.
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And I think you mean Maine and Nebraska, not Kansas.
And I think you overestimate how popular vote works. California won't decide votes historically speaking. (3 times)
But I am more for districts or counties rather than 1 state takes all. A lot of good info avail on it.
I know Maine, I will take your word the other is Nebraska. I posted from memory, my appologies. (Aren't they the same place, anyway? lmao)

With all due respect, I believe you have a slight misconception of the Great (American) Experiment. Think of it this way - the (insert religious book of your choosing here, we'll say Bible for this arguement) passes "laws" of what man can, or more commonly, can't do. It is a basic guide to live buy, with all the freedom bestowed upon the individual, so long as he abides these principals of mainly do nots.

In many ways the Constitution is similar to this Bible - except it doesn't tell YOU what you can / can't do, it tells govt. Beyond that, freedom is abundant. The State is free to do whatever it wants, so long as it abides these "larger" laws. The 10th restricts the Feds from such an umbrella, specifically enumerating its powers. This means Cali gun laws, NY drink laws, and whatever crazy TX law you want to use as an example (or GA, my home) is perfectly OK, so long as it does not violate "Gods" law (Constitutional law). The federal govt exists merely to simplify common needs, like postal roads, a navy, high courts, the ability to regulate, set training requirements, and call out the States' Militia, declare war, issue letters of marque, etc, etc. as well as set some common laws and resolve State squables / foreign affairs.

Allowing a popular vote undermines the entire Republic. The essential truth has to be that freedom (Liberty) resides in the individual, through local governence up to the State - which has common benefit and commerce through the Nation of America via the Federal govt. To allow a popular vote is to deny the States a Right to select their choice for a federal rep. The States have Rights, too, and the electoral college is their last refuge. If each district were drawn on congressional lines, it would mimic congressional elections - can you imagine the jerrymandering (redistricting to unclude or exclude specific neighborhoods/towns for political gain) then? With the voting populace, what Goebbells called primative, deciding these things? Bad idea. So they have to be different lines to ensure actual checks & balances, and a cross section of the desire of Americans. So that is what we do. Make more since?

I do agree each district should vote individually, although that is basically a lazimans comprimise between the two. It still signifies a National Unity, much resembling that of a State, and allows districts to vote whole, which are winner take all anyway. So we are just talking about where the decimal goes, the number doesn't really change, right?

States require 4 things - Population, Borders, Government, and Sovereignty. It is interchangeable with Country.
Nations have 1 thing - a population with a common identifier.
We are the 50 States of the American Nation. The founders did not mistakenly use this verbage. They were much more educated than any of our recent leaders.

Upon leaving the signing of the US Constitution, a colonist asked Dr Franklin "What have you given us?" - (specifically asking what type of government) - Dr Franklin responded, "A Republic, IF you can keep it".

I will look into the Gary Johnson arguements, I always am willing to entertain what he has to propose.
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I know Maine, I will take your word the other is Nebraska. I posted from memory, my appologies. (Aren't they the same place, anyway? lmao)

With all due respect, I believe you have a slight misconception of the Great (American) Experiment. Think of it this way - the (insert religious book of your choosing here, we'll say Bible for this arguement) passes "laws" of what man can, or more commonly, can't do. It is a basic guide to live buy, with all the freedom bestowed upon the individual, so long as he abides these principals of mainly do nots.

In many ways the Constitution is similar to this Bible - except it doesn't tell YOU what you can / can't do, it tells govt. Beyond that, freedom is abundant. The State is free to do whatever it wants, so long as it abides these "larger" laws. The 10th restricts the Feds from such an umbrella, specifically enumerating its powers. This means Cali gun laws, NY drink laws, and whatever crazy TX law you want to use as an example (or GA, my home) is perfectly OK, so long as it does not violate "Gods" law (Constitutional law). The federal govt exists merely to simplify common needs, like postal roads, a navy, high courts, the ability to regulate, set training requirements, and call out the States' Militia, declare war, issue letters of marque, etc, etc. as well as set some common laws and resolve State squables / foreign affairs.

Allowing a popular vote undermines the entire Republic. The essential truth has to be that freedom (Liberty) resides in the individual, through local governence up to the State - which has common benefit and commerce through the Nation of America via the Federal govt. To allow a popular vote is to deny the States a Right to select their choice for a federal rep. The States have Rights, too, and the electoral college is their last refuge. If each district were drawn on congressional lines, it would mimic congressional elections - can you imagine the jerrymandering (redistricting to unclude or exclude specific neighborhoods/towns for political gain) then? With the voting populace, what Goebbells called primative, deciding these things? Bad idea. So they have to be different lines to ensure actual checks & balances, and a cross section of the desire of Americans. So that is what we do. Make more since?

I do agree each district should vote individually, although that is basically a lazimans comprimise between the two. It still signifies a National Unity, much resembling that of a State, and allows districts to vote whole, which are winner take all anyway. So we are just talking about where the decimal goes, the number doesn't really change, right?

States require 4 things - Population, Borders, Government, and Sovereignty. It is interchangeable with Country.
Nations have 1 thing - a population with a common identifier.
We are the 50 States of the American Nation. The founders did not mistakenly use this verbage. They were much more educated than any of our recent leaders.

Upon leaving the signing of the US Constitution, a colonist asked Dr Franklin "What have you given us?" - (specifically asking what type of government) - Dr Franklin responded, "A Republic, IF you can keep it".

I will look into the Gary Johnson arguements, I always am willing to entertain what he has to propose.
I have lived in both Maine and Nebraska and I'd rather not go back. So they have that in common.

I agree 100% with the above. But the electoral college is equally as flawed, just in different direction. And only 3 times prior has the popular vote differed from electoral vote and two of those times were in 1800s. So while theoretically there is a difference the practical differences are minor. Though 2000, in theory, could have drastically impacted where we are in 2013.
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We can go back and forth on gun laws. Bottom line is if you own a gun you want to keep the gun. how many of us have made plans to keep thier guns? illegaly if need be..
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We can go back and forth on gun laws. Bottom line is if you own a gun you want to keep the gun. how many of us have made plans to keep thier guns? illegaly if need be..
I don't have any of my guns registered nor have I taken a CCW permit bc not legally req'd in my state. And I plan to keep it that way.
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Im keeping my guns even if I gotta put em under ground. How am I sapost to get my food for the winter with out em? I need them. Its my way of life and im not going to the store to buy some meat that's injected with hormones and chemicals to make the animal grow faster nor do I even wanna think about what goes on in a slaughter house. I want my all natural clean fresh meat that I take down my self so I know for a fact what its been threw.
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Im keeping my guns even if I gotta put em under ground. How am I sapost to get my food for the winter with out em? I need them. Its my way of life and im not going to the store to buy some meat that's injected with hormones and chemicals to make the animal grow faster nor do I even wanna think about what goes on in a slaughter house. I want my all natural clean fresh meat that I take down my self so I know for a fact what its been threw.
Guns? What guns? Ain't seen naw guns 'round here, oc-ifer.

There is exciting research in Oregano oils being used instead of antibiotics in cattle. 80% of all antibiotics sold in the US are intended for the food supply. Where do YOU think superviruses are gonna come from???

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Im keeping my guns even if I gotta put em under ground. How am I sapost to get my food for the winter with out em? I need them. Its my way of life and im not going to the store to buy some meat that's injected with hormones and chemicals to make the animal grow faster nor do I even wanna think about what goes on in a slaughter house. I want my all natural clean fresh meat that I take down my self so I know for a fact what its been threw.
That is the best and don't put them on your property. Bury them near but not on.

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