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Old 01-08-2013, 10:25 PM   #571
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Whew! Glad I sold the whole collection this morning! Some kid came by and wanted to buy them all. I sold them to him without a background check. He didn't speak English, but he seemed legit. Kept talking to himself and scratching his throat. Looked a little paranoid, but I'm sure he would have checked out fine. Coincidently, I took him on his first flying lesson as well today. He wasn't really interested in learning how to land the plane, just wanted to know where the Capitol building was. Seemed legit.
On a side note, where is the best place to exchange a shitload of Rupees into American dollars?

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This former Marine will register nothing. I don't need to be on a list when someone figures out my 45 holds 14 rounds and I have a 22 cal with a 25 round clip. Those two weapons make me a criminal? Give me a break. Feinstein and her cohorts can climb a tree.

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The ATF already knows where I live and what my funnest toys are since I had to register all my Class III items with the Feds already. Doesn't mean they need to know what else I have. Or had...
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Don't even get me started...On the other note...were they lost in Katrina or Sandy, I can't remember.
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Whew! Glad I sold the whole collection this morning! Some kid came by and wanted to buy them all. I sold them to him without a background check. He didn't speak English, but he seemed legit. Kept talking to himself and scratching his throat. Looked a little paranoid, but I'm sure he would have checked out fine. Coincidently, I took him on his first flying lesson as well today. He wasn't really interested in learning how to land the plane, just wanted to know where the Capitol building was. Seemed legit.
On a side note, where is the best place to exchange a shitload of Rupees into American dollars?
I think that is the same guy that bought mine!

He kept saying I loathe America, but I am sure he meant love. Nice guy, must've been a language thing.
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I think that is the same guy that bought mine!

He kept saying I loathe America, but I am sure he meant love. Nice guy, must've been a language thing.
It's a proven fact that you can sell a firearm to a Mexican resident with no problems, even if a US citizen is later murdered with the same firearm.
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Unfortunately Feinsteins Naziesque ban, doing for most semiauto what Reagan did to sbr, select fire, and supressors, has the most apparent traction (even though it does not actually exist yet). Another congressman introduced legislation last week to make all pistols essentially class III (registered).

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If I owned guns legally purchased the govt would be violating the supreme law by attempting confiscation. It would not end well.
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If the government comes knocking at the door and you choose to shot it out. That would be the smoking gun the Feds will use to label gun owners as violent people. If that's the choice you make. You will only get killed and your weapon will be destroyed. Then they will go next door and repeat as needed. The government will be successful if they can do that but not if we organize hide the weapon for later use to restore the constitution. Let the government be the villain.
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If the government comes knocking at the door and you choose to shot it out. That would be the smoking gun the Feds will use to label gun owners as violent people. If that's the choice you make. You will only get killed and your weapon will be destroyed. Then they will go next door and repeat as needed. The government will be successful if they can do that but not if we organize hide the weapon for later use to restore the constitution. Let the government be the villain.
You missed when I ran down the numbers But the jist is this...

200k cops
Registered gun Owners 700k. That number is just registered but we will use it


1.2 million police and military total. 90 percent are gun supporters. The 10 percent left is not enough to round up all the guns. That is even if all 10 percent 120k do it. but I don't imagine 1 percent of the 10 percent would. The rest would know their life span would shorten incredibly.

The only way it would be remotely workable would be to drag UN troops in.
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You missed when I ran down the numbers But the jist is this...

200k cops
Registered gun Owners 700k. That number is just registered but we will use it

1.2 million police and military total. 90 percent are gun supporters. The 10 percent left is not enough to round up all the guns. That is even if all 10 percent 120k do it. but I don't imagine 1 percent of the 10 percent would. The rest would know their life span would shorten incredibly.

The only way it would be remotely workable would be to drag UN troops in.
Although, to me it looks like that is where the current admin. wants to take this issue--God forbid that from ever happening.

This type of CHANGE has to be more than many expected from this president, even for those that voted for him. This could be the beginning of the end to America the land of the free.
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Cold dead hands boys, cold dead hands.
Reagan took your machine guns away. 95% of Senate republicans (and both bushs) supprted the 94 ban. Needless to say most conservatives NEED the govt to protect them from what happens in other peoples bedrooms.


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The only way it would be remotely workable would be to drag UN troops in.
Mercs, like we use overseas, would be doing it. Lots of folks in S America and the Phillapines who are happy to do it.

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... This could be the beginning of the end to America the land of the free.
THIS could be? We have been racing as fast as we can down this road for 45 years. The last administration fought for the right to issue any executive order they want, and put people into power that believe in supreme presidential control allowing this doctrine (also called dictatorship). This is the same authority Obama intends to use to ban weapons, potentially. No Bush, no authority.

You guys need to wake up and see the truth. Nobody is on your side in Washington.
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Reagan took your machine guns away. 95% of Senate republicans (and both bushs) supprted the 94 ban. Needless to say most conservatives NEED the govt to protect them from what happens in other peoples bedrooms.

Mercs, like we use overseas, would be doing it. Lots of folks in S America and the Phillapines who are happy to do it.

THIS could be? We have been racing as fast as we can down this road for 45 years. The last administration fought for the right to issue any executive order they want, and put people into power that believe in supreme presidential control allowing this doctrine (also called dictatorship). This is the same authority Obama intends to use to ban weapons, potentially. No Bush, no authority.

You guys need to wake up and see the truth. Nobody is on your side in Washington.

I told you before on this forum it's Republicans are great and Democrats are bad. Using facts to show Republicans restrict freedoms as much if not more is futile. They'll keep toeing the company line.
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You missed when I ran down the numbers But the jist is this...

200k cops
Registered gun Owners 700k. That number is just registered but we will use it

1.2 million police and military total. 90 percent are gun supporters. The 10 percent left is not enough to round up all the guns. That is even if all 10 percent 120k do it. but I don't imagine 1 percent of the 10 percent would. The rest would know their life span would shorten incredibly.

The only way it would be remotely workable would be to drag UN troops in.
I know the numbers right now are in the favor of the constitution. But how many are willing to die for it. That number would still be very high. But until a George Washington shows up we just have a bunch of dead martyred Americans. What I'm saying is that in order to have a tyranny there must be a tyrant. As long as we keep the weapons away from the tyrant and stay alive there is a better chance of a George Washington showing up to lead us for the restoration of the constitution.
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Reagan took your machine guns away. 95% of Senate republicans (and both bushs) supprted the 94 ban. Needless to say most conservatives NEED the govt to protect them from what happens in other peoples bedrooms.
Yes, most politicians are assholes. None are conservative enough for me, but I don't really even know what your point is.

Wait, are you trying to turn this into a gay rights argument? I don't know any conservative that gives a shit what other people do in their own bedroom, providing of course it's consensual That's what everyone wants you to believe, but it just isn't true. You are just parroting liberal talking points
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You guys need to wake up and see the truth. Nobody is on your side in Washington.
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Yes, most politicians are assholes. None are conservative enough for me, but I don't really even know what your point is.

Wait, are you trying to turn this into a gay rights argument? I don't know any conservative that gives a shit what other people do in their own bedroom, providing of course it's consensual That's what everyone wants you to believe, but it just isn't true. You are just parroting liberal talking points
He's right on with Reagan and the 1994 ban, see Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act

Bill Summary & Status - 99th Congress (1985 - 1986) - S.49 - All Information - THOMAS (Library of Congress)&


Are both parties concerned more with their own well being, than mine? Yes. Would they run over their own mothers if it meant an extra nickel to their re-election campaign? Yes.

But the GOP does have a better (recent) record on the 2nd, and they're the only thing standing in the way of whatever crazy Uncle Joe recommends.
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Conservatives = Please government, get out of the way so I can protect my family.
Reagan signed law prohibiting the manufacture of select fire for the US market (aforementioned bill, specifically amendment HR4332 & more specifically house amendment 777). Bush the senior banned importation of assault rifles, alledging that American citizens only had rights to own guns for "legitamite sporting purposes" - banning them by name not design, much like fienstien has proposed. Out of office Reagan gave a speech to congress urging them to pass the brady bill. 95% of Repub Senators voted for the 94 AWB, and Bush the junior supported it staying in effect, but took no aggressive action to that end. Many current republican officials have spoken out about new gun control, from limiting mag size to outright bans.

House Amendment 777 is "an amendment to make it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun except in the case of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date of enactment". No new guns.

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Those aren't conservatives? You think reagan was too liberal?
What do consrvts want to protect themselves with? Blackpowder and bow? Rocks? Conservative leadership doesn't show the same record you imply above.

Blanket statements are ignorant, and exactly what Washington wants you to be concerned with. This is why George Washington spoke so negatively about multiparty systems, particularly dual party systems. You get so occupied with the back and forth - liberals said many of dubyas executive orders were unconstitutional, cause they were, and now conservatives are gonna say banning guns by XO is the same, which it is. But neither one will stand up when their own side is in violation to say "Hey, I am above that, I know that's wrong and has to stop." Neither one, ever.
Rise above the ILLUSION of party politics to see reality. Perception IS reality, after all, and if you see all the bulls*** you will try not to step in it. If you are already covered in it? No perceivable difference, just blind allegience to the promise of being pulled out of it.

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Wait, are you trying to turn this into a gay rights argument? I don't know any conservative that gives a shit what other people do in their own bedroom, providing of course it's consensual That's what everyone wants you to believe, but it just isn't true. You are just parroting liberal talking points
Nope, and I don't have to. But if you think the GOP supports recognizing 2 humans as just that, well you live under a rock.

If I need to cite the hypocracy of the GOP today, it won't do any good - by then you're too far gone on KoolAide to acknowledge it, even when presented with facts. Same rings true of the Bamerites, though, because they are essentially the same federalists as the GOP.
'We are right, they are wrong - even if we both say it is Friday night. We should tell EVERYONE how, why, and where to live, who to live with and what to do with them.'

And moving along...

Anybody else catch this one?
“It’s designed to do that {cause devastating wounds}, and that’s what our soldiers ought to carry, I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.” General Stanley McChrystal, Retired, on .223 weapons.

Army general says you shouldn't have those, only we should. We can be trusted with em, and you can't.

Shame on him, but he owes the Administration a favor for not throwing his arse in jail. Politics at its finest.............
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I told you before on this forum it's Republicans are great and Democrats are bad. Using facts to show Republicans restrict freedoms as much if not more is futile. They'll keep toeing the company line.


But I am opposed to war hammer hunting of puppies, and now they added baby bald eagles! Brahhh barga barga barga!

I can't work for corporations anymore; that line you mention and I have some serious disagreements, lmao.
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He's right on with Reagan and the 1994 ban, see Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act

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Are both parties concerned more with their own well being, than mine? Yes. Would they run over their own mothers if it meant an extra nickel to their re-election campaign? Yes.

But the GOP does have a better (recent) record on the 2nd, and they're the only thing standing in the way of whatever crazy Uncle Joe recommends.
I see where that's frustrating, but would you rather have a system where the politicians don't worry about re-election. Re-election is the only reason they listen to us at all. If you think they don't then you are probably just out numbered by those that have different beliefs. As flawed as our system is, for the most part, it works exactly how our founding fathers set it up to work. Is it flawed? Yes, but it's the best system in the world.

The problem isn't really the politicians as much as it is the citizens that keep electing them
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Reagan signed law prohibiting the manufacture of select fire for the US market (aforementioned bill, specifically amendment HR4332 & more specifically house amendment 777). Bush the senior banned importation of assault rifles, alledging that American citizens only had rights to own guns for "legitamite sporting purposes" - banning them by name not design, much like fienstien has proposed. Out of office Reagan gave a speech to congress urging them to pass the brady bill. 95% of Repub Senators voted for the 94 AWB, and Bush the junior supported it staying in effect, but took no aggressive action to that end. Many current republican officials have spoken out about new gun control, from limiting mag size to outright bans.

House Amendment 777 is "an amendment to make it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun except in the case of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date of enactment". No new guns.



Those aren't conservatives? You think reagan was too liberal?
What do consrvts want to protect themselves with? Blackpowder and bow? Rocks? Conservative leadership doesn't show the same record you imply above.

Blanket statements are ignorant, and exactly what Washington wants you to be concerned with. This is why George Washington spoke so negatively about multiparty systems, particularly dual party systems. You get so occupied with the back and forth - liberals said many of dubyas executive orders were unconstitutional, cause they were, and now conservatives are gonna say banning guns by XO is the same, which it is. But neither one will stand up when their own side is in violation to say "Hey, I am above that, I know that's wrong and has to stop." Neither one, ever.
Rise above the ILLUSION of party politics to see reality. Perception IS reality, after all, and if you see all the bulls*** you will try not to step in it. If you are already covered in it? No perceivable difference, just blind allegience to the promise of being pulled out of it.



Nope, and I don't have to. But if you think the GOP supports recognizing 2 humans as just that, well you live under a rock.

If I need to cite the hypocracy of the GOP today, it won't do any good - by then you're too far gone on KoolAide to acknowledge it, even when presented with facts. Same rings true of the Bamerites, though, because they are essentially the same federalists as the GOP.
'We are right, they are wrong - even if we both say it is Friday night. We should tell EVERYONE how, why, and where to live, who to live with and what to do with them.'

And moving along...

Anybody else catch this one?
“It’s designed to do that {cause devastating wounds}, and that’s what our soldiers ought to carry, I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.” General Stanley McChrystal, Retired, on .223 weapons.

Army general says you shouldn't have those, only we should. We can be trusted with em, and you can't.

Shame on him, but he owes the Administration a favor for not throwing his arse in jail. Politics at its finest.............

I still don't get what your point is. Is it that conservative politicians have enacted laws that restrict your liberty? Well, there's a news flash. You sound like a Paul Bot that just rambles on and on about liberty like nobody else gets it. Offer up some serious solutions. I'm listening

Again, you are parroting liberal talking points. Conservatives don't give two shits what 2 individuals do in the privacy of their own home. Gays are free to live any lifestyle they choose. The word marriage on the other hand has a historical meaning and it happens to be an exact contradiction to the word homosexuality. Surely you aren't suggesting that you are in favor of politicians legally changing the meaning of words just to placate small minority groups of people, are you? Wouldn't that be some shit if they started doing that If you don't think the meaning of words have importance, stop and think about how important the meaning of the word militia is. Or how about the word automatic? When politicians can start changing the meaning of words to satisfy political agendas, then we are truly fucked my friend. Gays can monogamously lick each other's balls for all of eternity, just don't call it a marriage because it just isn't.
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I still don't get what your point is. Is it that conservative politicians have enacted laws that restrict your liberty? Well, there's a news flash. You sound like a Paul Bot that just rambles on and on about liberty like nobody else gets it. Offer up some serious solutions. I'm listening

Again, you are parroting liberal talking points. Conservatives don't give two shits what 2 individuals do in the privacy of their own home. Gays are free to live any lifestyle they choose. The word marriage on the other hand has a historical meaning and it happens to be an exact contradiction to the word homosexuality. Surely you aren't suggesting that you are in favor of politicians legally changing the meaning of words just to placate small minority groups of people, are you? Wouldn't that be some shit if they started doing that If you don't think the meaning of words have importance, stop and think about how important the meaning of the word militia is. Or how about the word automatic? When politicians can start changing the meaning of words to satisfy political agendas, then we are truly fucked my friend. Gays can monogamously lick each other's balls for all of eternity, just don't call it a marriage because it just isn't.
My point is your comment about the difference in libs in conservatives was wrong, to put it mildly.

Civil Union is not marriage, yet conservatives refuse to allow a tax break to gay people. Cause God said only tax breaks to maried people. Only married people can make decisions for their lifelong best friend. Only married people are granted asset transfer rights. Cause God said so, in Phulofschit 22: 4-7. They took that one out of the King James, though.

Quite the ignorant arguement all the way around, my friend.

You want a solution? Reverse citizens united and get money out of politics. Make lobbying a felony. Make pistols class III or at least require a ccp before purchase, repeal the hughes amendment. Need more?
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My point is your comment about the difference in libs in conservatives was wrong, to put it mildly.

Civil Union is not marriage, yet conservatives refuse to allow a tax break to gay people. Cause God said only tax breaks to maried people. Only married people can make decisions for their lifelong best friend. Only married people are granted asset transfer rights. Cause God said so, in Phulofschit 22: 4-7. They took that one out of the King James, though.

Quite the ignorant arguement all the way around, my friend.

You want a solution? Reverse citizens united and get money out of politics. Make lobbying a felony. Make pistols class III or at least require a ccp before purchase, repeal the hughes amendment. Need more?
I was speaking in generalities which I will stand by as being generally true. There are of course anomalies on both sides of the Isle. Liberals in general want a big government to protect them. Conservatives generally want a limited government and believes in self reliance. I want the absolute smallest government possible and to be left alone as much as humanly possible. Anarchy is certainly not the correct answer.

Gay advocate groups have been offered civil unions, but they don't want that. They want to use the word marriage. Why? Because it isn't about money. It's about feelings. Namely the feeling of acceptance. The problem with that is that trying to force acceptance is as silly as trying to take moral credit for forcing other people to pay for your feel good social experiments.

Make lobbying a felony? You mean lobby's like the NRA? Yeah, that's a stellar plan.

Make Pistols a class III item? Are you serious? What part of shall not be infringed don't you understand? And how on earth can you call for that and then turn right around and demand the repeal the Hughes amendment I'm in favor of repealing the Hughes amendment BTW. And anyone who is legally allowed to own a gun should be able to carry one.
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I see where that's frustrating, but would you rather have a system where the politicians don't worry about re-election. Re-election is the only reason they listen to us at all. If you think they don't then you are probably just out numbered by those that have different beliefs. As flawed as our system is, for the most part, it works exactly how our founding fathers set it up to work. Is it flawed? Yes, but it's the best system in the world.

The problem isn't really the politicians as much as it is the citizens that keep electing them
Your last point is well made, but I don't think the founding fathers had envisioned career politicians as our new aristocracy.


Anyways, back to point, I can't freaking sleep tonight because I keep thinking that a man I wouldn't trust with the keys to a 87 Ford Escort will be making recommendations about what I can, or can't own.
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To MTH: There is only one problem to your solution. I have a handgun in my house readily accessible in case of an intruder, ect. Now if my gun is locked up what good would it do me in the middle of the night, in the dark to have to unlock a safe to get at it? I agree people need to be accountable but if someone steals my guns as long as I have a police report I should not be liable for what a thief does with it.
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To MTH: There is only one problem to your solution. I have a handgun in my house readily accessible in case of an intruder, ect. Now if my gun is locked up what good would it do me in the middle of the night, in the dark to have to unlock a safe to get at it? I agree people need to be accountable but if someone steals my guns as long as I have a police report I should not be liable for what a thief does with it.
I use to keep my pistol by my bed at night and in the safe while I was at work.
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I was speaking in generalities which I will stand by as being generally true. There are of course anomalies on both sides of the Isle. Liberals in general want a big government to protect them. Conservatives generally want a limited government and believes in self reliance. I want the absolute smallest government possible and to be left alone as much as humanly possible. Anarchy is certainly not the correct answer.

Gay advocate groups have been offered civil unions, but they don't want that. They want to use the word marriage. Why? Because it isn't about money. It's about feelings. Namely the feeling of acceptance. The problem with that is that trying to force acceptance is as silly as trying to take moral credit for forcing other people to pay for your feel good social experiments.

Make lobbying a felony? You mean lobby's like the NRA? Yeah, that's a stellar plan.

Make Pistols a class III item? Are you serious? What part of shall not be infringed don't you understand? And how on earth can you call for that and then turn right around and demand the repeal the Hughes amendment I'm in favor of repealing the Hughes amendment BTW. And anyone who is legally allowed to own a gun should be able to carry one.
I know you are. You shouldn't. But if we want to speak generally, the GOP wants big govt, same as the dems. One wants social programs exceeding our ability to pay for them, the other wants defense programs and morallity legislation exceeding our ability to pay for them.
I do not condone or endorse anarchy - I believe the State has a right to self governence, the way our states were established (and why they aren't territories). The powers of the fed are specifically enumerated in the constitution, the 10th covers all else. Like gay marriage, some gun laws, coke bottle size laws, laws about tennis balls in your yard and nearly every other issue we hear about or could imagine. The feds have no right or legal ability to pass legislation on these items.

I am happy to discuss the lack of gay rights, and why it should change, but this aint the thread for it.

Yes, paying for votes should be a crime. Did you know counties are now hiring lobbyists to pay their congressman to pay attention to the people who elected them? Don't confuse writing letters or calling or even meeting with a congressman with being a registered lobbyist.

Some 30,000 people are killed anually by firearms in America. Roughly 18,000 of these are intentionally self inflicted. The remaining 12,000 are homicide, the overwhelming majority of which is handguns. Of the suicides by firearm, 70% are handguns.
There are some 65M handguns in the US, making up only 34% or the estimated weaponry, yet 86% of firearm crimes occur with handguns. 4 out of 5 shooting fatalaties is a handgun (80%). From 1990-1997, there were 160k homicides, 110k of which were firearms - and of those 89k were handguns. That means handguns killed 59% of all homicides, more than EVERY other weapon combined.

Now lets look historically.
Pres Jackson, handguns (survived)
Pres Lincoln, handgun
Pres Garfield, handgun
Gov Goebel, unknown rifle(s)
Pres McKinley, handgun
Frmr Gov Steunenburg, bomb
Pres T Roosevelt, handgun (survived)
Archduke Franz Furdinand of Austria, handgun (his death literally started WWI) they attempted a grenade attack hours earlier
Pres Truman, 1st attempt bombs, 2nd handguns (both unsuccessful)
Medgar Evers, Enfeild 1917 rifle
JFK, 6.5mm Carcano model 91/38, bolt action
Oswald, handgun
MLK, Remington 760 Gamemaster
Robert Kennedy, handgun
John Lennon, handgun
Pres Reagan, handgun (though noone died, James Brady was paralyzed, prompting the Brady Bill)
Then, just off memory
Texas clocktower shooter, rifle
Columbine, handguns
VT, handguns
Gabbie Giffords, handgun
Aurora, both
Newtown, allegedly both, certainly handguns

The Highes Amendment prohibits ownership. Class III status limits it, but does not prohibit it. Like I said, I would comprimise to say all pistol buyers need a ccp license, as those owners rarely commit firearm crimes.

Handguns are by design concealed items. You should be able to conceal them when you buy them.
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I know you are. You shouldn't. But if we want to speak generally, the GOP wants big govt, same as the dems. One wants social programs exceeding our ability to pay for them, the other wants defense programs and morallity legislation exceeding our ability to pay for them.
I do not condone or endorse anarchy - I believe the State has a right to self governence, the way our states were established (and why they aren't territories). The powers of the fed are specifically enumerated in the constitution, the 10th covers all else. Like gay marriage, some gun laws, coke bottle size laws, laws about tennis balls in your yard and nearly every other issue we hear about or could imagine. The feds have no right or legal ability to pass legislation on these items.

I am happy to discuss the lack of gay rights, and why it should change, but this aint the thread for it.

Yes, paying for votes should be a crime. Did you know counties are now hiring lobbyists to pay their congressman to pay attention to the people who elected them? Don't confuse writing letters or calling or even meeting with a congressman with being a registered lobbyist.

Some 30,000 people are killed anually by firearms in America. Roughly 18,000 of these are intentionally self inflicted. The remaining 12,000 are homicide, the overwhelming majority of which is handguns. Of the suicides by firearm, 70% are handguns.
There are some 65M handguns in the US, making up only 34% or the estimated weaponry, yet 86% of firearm crimes occur with handguns. 4 out of 5 shooting fatalaties is a handgun (80%). From 1990-1997, there were 160k homicides, 110k of which were firearms - and of those 89k were handguns. That means handguns killed 59% of all homicides, more than EVERY other weapon combined.

Now lets look historically.
Pres Jackson, handguns (survived)
Pres Lincoln, handgun
Pres Garfield, handgun
Gov Goebel, unknown rifle(s)
Pres McKinley, handgun
Frmr Gov Steunenburg, bomb
Pres T Roosevelt, handgun (survived)
Archduke Franz Furdinand of Austria, handgun (his death literally started WWI) they attempted a grenade attack hours earlier
Pres Truman, 1st attempt bombs, 2nd handguns (both unsuccessful)
Medgar Evers, Enfeild 1917 rifle
JFK, 6.5mm Carcano model 91/38, bolt action
Oswald, handgun
MLK, Remington 760 Gamemaster
Robert Kennedy, handgun
John Lennon, handgun
Pres Reagan, handgun (though noone died, James Brady was paralyzed, prompting the Brady Bill)
Then, just off memory
Texas clocktower shooter, rifle
Columbine, handguns
VT, handguns
Gabbie Giffords, handgun
Aurora, both
Newtown, allegedly both, certainly handguns

The Highes Amendment prohibits ownership. Class III status limits it, but does not prohibit it. Like I said, I would comprimise to say all pistol buyers need a ccp license, as those owners rarely commit firearm crimes.

Handguns are by design concealed items. You should be able to conceal them when you buy them.
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