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Old 05-22-2013, 08:59 PM   #691
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Blueridgeyj, did you ever serve this country? Have you ever gone to war? I ask because a lot of your post seem to not support the military. You seem to question the military a lot. Maybe I just take you the wrong way.

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I have not served or volunteered federally, no. I was 18 when the towers fell, and contemplated joining. I decided against it; long story short, let's just say the political directions I saw us taking did not inspire me to enlist. I do contribute locally.
I have not, thankfully, been in an active theatre of war.
I do not support the military-industrial complex or its long reaching arms (the '26$ for a can of coke' & 'private contractor security' mil-ind complex).
I do question those leaders of our forces that continually use fear to justify those forces deployment.
I am often mistaken for being anti-military. I see it as pro-Constitution.

I have absolutely nothing against the John Wayne generation of boys, or the G.I. Joe generation of boys (or whatever came next) who grew up 'shooting' their friends in neighborhood wide wars growing up and enlisting to serve their country, or the kids that grow up too quick and get into some sort-of heavy stuff, then enlist to have a true opportunity in life through discipline and values being instilled in them. Or any other US citizen (or foreign national, for that matter) who feels compelled to serve their friends, families, neighbors, and complete strangers. The problem I have, however, is with a standing national fighting force beyond the USCG and Navy. I can tell you that were we to have true States' Militias and only States' Militias, I would muster without hesitation. Were the antiquated and original gun laws in Virginia, laws like NY and MA passed first, that required all male citizens to maintain powder and shot, a capable rifle, and field provisions for 18 months, I would. But the federally controlled gaurd and/or army are not that.

Whenever Morocco invades from the East, or the Chinese cross the Mississippi, I'll be there. Unfortunately, standing armies lead to imperialistic wars, occupations, and martial law. It is just the nature of human society. This is why Jefferson famously compared the dangers of banks to them. Look into Royal Gov of Mass General Gates and his gun grab. An armed populace does not need an army, and is simultaneously free from oppression or tyranny. The inverse? An army does not need an armed populace, and is precluded from fulfilling their handlers agenda with one. Which of the great military societies of all history is still around? Our 224 year old gal.

All due respect, what do you think German soldiers in 1939 thought? That they should shoot their countrymen with reckless abandon, or that things got out of hand way to quickly? Now, I am not making excuses for genocide, but I am using history for an example. It happens time and time again, and it starts with political or socio-economic seperation. One side gets, the other gets jealous, then one gets scared. Game over. The Native Americans were people, Men Created Equal, with a divine Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but public opinion said they were scary (because they had land, and we got jealous). So my 5 Great Grandpa and a bunch of white folks started doing something about it, and he was given a chunk of land just outside Atlanta for doing it. From the politicians that said those weren't people, they were enemy combatants. So, because of my knowledge of history, I am very cautious when people tell me things are scary and we need to do something about it. And when they tell me those aren't people.

BTW, let me go ahead and thank you for your service - were you a g.i. joe kid, too? I sure was. Sorry for the ramble.

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I can see we are about to high jack this thread and I don't want to do that. We can start a new thread on this topic.



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I have not served or volunteered federally, no. I was 18 when the towers fell, and contemplated joining. I decided against it; long story short, let's just say the political directions I saw us taking did not inspire me to enlist. I do contribute locally.
I have not, thankfully, been in an active theatre of war.
I do not support the military-industrial complex or its long reaching arms (the '26$ for a can of coke' & 'private contractor security' mil-ind complex).
I do question those leaders of our forces that continually use fear to justify those forces deployment.
I am often mistaken for being anti-military. I see it as pro-Constitution.

I have absolutely nothing against the John Wayne generation of boys, or the G.I. Joe generation of boys (or whatever came next) who grew up 'shooting' their friends in neighborhood wide wars growing up and enlisting to serve their country, or the kids that grow up too quick and get into some sort-of heavy stuff, then enlist to have a true opportunity in life through discipline and values being instilled in them. Or any other US citizen (or foreign national, for that matter) who feels compelled to serve their friends, families, neighbors, and complete strangers. The problem I have, however, is with a standing national fighting force beyond the USCG and Navy. I can tell you that were we to have true States' Militias and only States' Militias, I would muster without hesitation. Were the antiquated and original gun laws in Virginia, laws like NY and MA passed first, that required all male citizens to maintain powder and shot, a capable rifle, and field provisions for 18 months, I would. But the federally controlled gaurd and/or army are not that.

Whenever Morocco invades from the East, or the Chinese cross the Mississippi, I'll be there. Unfortunately, standing armies lead to imperialistic wars, occupations, and martial law. It is just the nature of human society. This is why Jefferson famously compared the dangers of banks to them. Look into Royal Gov of Mass General Gates and his gun grab. An armed populace does not need an army, and is simultaneously free from oppression or tyranny. The inverse? An army does not need an armed populace, and is precluded from fulfilling their handlers agenda with one. Which of the great military societies of all history is still around? Our 224 year old gal.

All due respect, what do you think German soldiers in 1939 thought? That they should shoot their countrymen with reckless abandon, or that things got out of hand way to quickly? Now, I am not making excuses for genocide, but I am using history for an example. It happens time and time again, and it starts with political or socio-economic seperation. One side gets, the other gets jealous, then one gets scared. Game over. The Native Americans were people, Men Created Equal, with a divine Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but public opinion said they were scary (because they had land, and we got jealous). So my 5 Great Grandpa and a bunch of white folks started doing something about it, and he was given a chunk of land just outside Atlanta for doing it. From the politicians that said those weren't people, they were enemy combatants. So, because of my knowledge of history, I am very cautious when people tell me things are scary and we need to do something about it. And when they tell me those aren't people.

BTW, let me go ahead and thank you for your service - were you a g.i. joe kid, too? I sure was. Sorry for the ramble.
I can tell. Well joining the military is about sticking my 10 1/2 boot up some foreign fighters ass and living dangerous. I don't have to believe in the cause all I know is there is their side and there is my side. That can also be implied here at home.
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I can tell. Well joining the military is about sticking my 10 1/2 boot up some foreign fighters ass and living dangerous. I don't have to believe in the cause all I know is there is their side and there is my side. That can also be implied here at home.
You can tell all that? Very intuitive of you! lol, jk.

All joking aside, that's my point - there has to be a foreign fighter to insert said boot into. And you should up it a size or two, just for good measure. But what if there isn't a bad guy? Then what? Oh, wait, there is always Cobra.
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I can tell. Well joining the military is about sticking my 10 1/2 boot up some foreign fighters ass and living dangerous. I don't have to believe in the cause all I know is there is their side and there is my side. That can also be implied here at home.
Ugh I have a feeling this is going to turn south real quick, but I am not sure this is what Joining the military should be about and at this time I am considering joining the air force medical core. I personally feel joining the military should be about service to ones country and its citizens not being a bad ass, I know this won't be a popular opinion but at the end of the day we are all people and just want to raise our families and lead a happy life and I think this gets lost with this line drawing and fear mongering. I thank you for your service and I am sure you have seen some terrible things but in the same line I am sure you have see many good people in other places just trying to raise their families and they are simply caught in between "a rock and a hard place".
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We I mean Americans we get into a conflict about every two years to keep combat vets. If we don't we get Granada
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We I mean Americans we get into a conflict about every two years to keep combat vets. If we don't we get Granada
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not sure I follow?
After Vietnam we didn't get into any conflicts for a long time. When we invaded Granada we made a lot of errors and cost lives. So if you look at our history after that we get into a conflict every two years to cycle vets. It's one of those thing air government won't admit to because of angry moms.
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After Vietnam we didn't get into any conflicts for a long time. When we invaded Granada we made a lot of errors and cost lives. So if you look at our history after that we get into a conflict every two years to cycle vets. It's one of those thing air government won't admit to because of angry moms.
ah ok I see what your saying now, never really thought about it that way but it would not surprise me, I trust the government less and less each day
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ah ok I see what your saying now, never really thought about it that way but it would not surprise me, I trust the government less and less each day
Don't get me wrong. When I joined I joined to travel, get shot at and shoot back. That's just what the job is. There are many laws prohibiting the use of our military inside the US. I don't know if that has all changed but I can tell you most will go " constitution first orders second". I am personally not scared of our military and more worried about local and federal enforcement.
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You guys should look up John young Pelton I think he explained the lifestyle most military men want to live. It's not all about the gi bill
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I don't know about the other active and former military members here, but I took a certain ironic pride in knowing I was helping to protect the rights of the "tinfoil hat" types to speak out against me....
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... There are many laws prohibiting the use of our military inside the US. I don't know if that has all changed but I can tell you most will go " constitution first orders second". I am personally not scared of our military and more worried about local and federal enforcement.
Posse Comitatus, an extrapolation of the Insurection Act of 1807, is the primary Act governing military involvement in domestic affairs.

The 1807 Act gave permission to the president to call on 'land or naval forces' of the US to quell insurections in situations where he was already qualified to call out the militia. This act was ammended several times, most recently after Katrina to change mere verbage. Historically, the act was based on quantity or scale of a situation, not source. They changed it to mean source, not size, and included natural disasters as a qualifier. So if 1 man is bleeding out on foot in a major city, they can send humvees and apcs to go get him - so long as he is a 'terrorist'. If a mall gets looted after a hurricane, an Abrhams can respond, so long as there was a hurricane.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/302521p.pdf

The Posse Comitatus Act came about in 1878, when the mil-ind yankees wanted to continue using federal soldiers to police the South. It was written to disallow that action henceforth, by prohibiting the military from policing domestically in any capacity, except when 'expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.' The above pdf, the DoD modified rules for domestic use of military force, issued Feb of this year, on page 16, directly authorizes military forces to act without authority from Congress, the President, or duly elected local officials. This is usurpation of the United States Constitution and akin to the Enabling Act of the Third Reich.

Additionally, the Reagan administration was instrumental in defining the misguided war on drugs as a national security issue, authorizing federal forces to patrol, surveil, and arrest.

+1 on ATF, FBI, State PD concerns. This is why national guard armories are a bad idea, the reason behind the 2nd amendment. That way the politicians CAN'T send somebody after you (and it is why Royal Gov Gates tried to disarm Massachusetts previous to their invasion by the Red Coats, one of many examples that left our grandpappies untrusting of armories).

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I don't know about the other active and former military members here, but I took a certain ironic pride in knowing I was helping to protect the rights of the "tinfoil hat" types to speak out against me....
A strawman? Where!

Cheif, that's a fallacious arguement. No boogie man is out to get ya.
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A strawman? Where!

Cheif, that's a fallacious arguement. No boogie man is out to get ya.
An argument requires a premis an a conclusion. I offered neither, only an opinion. As to whether or not anyone actually wears a hat made from tinfoil, in the absence of photos, I'll rely on my imagination...
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Okay...high magazine capacity weapons. Whatever. So what does AR stand for?
AR=Armalite Rifle and an Assault weapon is FULLY AUTOMATIC
An AR15 is a SEMI AUTO, like a lot of regular hunting rifles!
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They have scenerios for this. It involves an overwhelming amount of force, and a disdain for the Constitution. Funny how bloodhounds have been pulling lost hikers, cadavers, and convicts out of the southern forests for 200 years, yet couldn't find a man with 3 holes in him on foot from a known origin several blocks away.


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I have not served or volunteered federally, no. I was 18 when the towers fell, and contemplated joining. I decided against it; long story short, let's just say the political directions I saw us taking did not inspire me to enlist. I do contribute locally.
I have not, thankfully, been in an active theatre of war.
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I am often mistaken for being anti-military. I see it as pro-Constitution.

I have absolutely nothing against the John Wayne generation of boys, or the G.I. Joe generation of boys (or whatever came next) who grew up 'shooting' their friends in neighborhood wide wars growing up and enlisting to serve their country, or the kids that grow up too quick and get into some sort-of heavy stuff, then enlist to have a true opportunity in life through discipline and values being instilled in them. Or any other US citizen (or foreign national, for that matter) who feels compelled to serve their friends, families, neighbors, and complete strangers. The problem I have, however, is with a standing national fighting force beyond the USCG and Navy. I can tell you that were we to have true States' Militias and only States' Militias, I would muster without hesitation. Were the antiquated and original gun laws in Virginia, laws like NY and MA passed first, that required all male citizens to maintain powder and shot, a capable rifle, and field provisions for 18 months, I would. But the federally controlled gaurd and/or army are not that.

Whenever Morocco invades from the East, or the Chinese cross the Mississippi, I'll be there. Unfortunately, standing armies lead to imperialistic wars, occupations, and martial law. It is just the nature of human society. This is why Jefferson famously compared the dangers of banks to them. Look into Royal Gov of Mass General Gates and his gun grab. An armed populace does not need an army, and is simultaneously free from oppression or tyranny. The inverse? An army does not need an armed populace, and is precluded from fulfilling their handlers agenda with one. Which of the great military societies of all history is still around? Our 224 year old gal.

All due respect, what do you think German soldiers in 1939 thought? That they should shoot their countrymen with reckless abandon, or that things got out of hand way to quickly? Now, I am not making excuses for genocide, but I am using history for an example. It happens time and time again, and it starts with political or socio-economic seperation. One side gets, the other gets jealous, then one gets scared. Game over. The Native Americans were people, Men Created Equal, with a divine Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but public opinion said they were scary (because they had land, and we got jealous). So my 5 Great Grandpa and a bunch of white folks started doing something about it, and he was given a chunk of land just outside Atlanta for doing it. From the politicians that said those weren't people, they were enemy combatants. So, because of my knowledge of history, I am very cautious when people tell me things are scary and we need to do something about it. And when they tell me those aren't people.

BTW, let me go ahead and thank you for your service - were you a g.i. joe kid, too? I sure was. Sorry for the ramble.
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AR=Armalite Rifle and an Assault weapon is FULLY AUTOMATIC
An AR15 is a SEMI AUTO, like a lot of regular hunting rifles!
30 is standard capacity

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