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Old 01-25-2010, 10:02 AM   #1
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Gun rights campaign

Has anyone ever heard of this group? I just recieved a call from them asking for a contribution. I googled the name (which I had them repeat) and came up with only anti-gun rights campaign. I was told that the calller was a veteran, but did not own a gun He said that they were seeking contributions from non-gun owners (of which I am not) to fight House Bill 45.
Does this sound legit?

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Old 01-25-2010, 01:10 PM   #2
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Most phone solicitations are the product of call centers. A call center will be hired to make the calls and keep a huge chunk of the solicited funds. Scammers and legit groups alike use the call centers because they are efficient at raising funds. The call center will usually withhold some info to keep Google savvy people from just going to the website to donate directly to the group.

I know that this doesn't answer your question about the legitimacy of this group, but I like to tell people about this problem with phone solicitations to make people aware that a $1.00 donation will usually mean the charity gets $0.50 or less out of the deal.

Want to fight for your gun rights? Join the NRA. These people really do care about your rights. Life member here.

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I am a member of NRA. I don't donate through these solicitations. I had just never heard of this one. I like to make my donations directly to the effort that it supports. This just sounded like a total scam saying that they were targeting (excuse the pun) non-gun owners. At first they insinuated that there was NRA affiliation without ever coming out and saying it. When I questioned the affiliation, that is when they had to deny it.
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I will never donate through phone solicitors. If you feel the need to donate money to an organization, you contact them and donate. Most of the time, the ones calling you are not what they appear to be.
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I can't find anything on a group by that specific name but here's some info on H.R. 45
http://defmech.blogivists.com/2009/0...ins-in-ernest/
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House Bill 45, the anti-gun rights campaign begins in earnest

January 19, 2009 | Tagged anti-gun Democrats, Danger of confiscation, futility of gun control, gun ownership, New gun registration bill | 63 Comments

The first formal volley in what is projected to be an Obama Administration onslaught on the Second Amendment was fired when H.R. 45 was introduced into the new congress on January 6th by Representative Rush (D) Chicago, Illinois. H.R. 45 is a bill that licenses owners of handguns and semi-automatic weapons with magazine wells. The bill also registers handguns and semi-autos upon transfers, which must be conducted through a licensed dealer, with a few exceptions for family members and temporary loans to presumably licensed individuals. (Interestingly enough, you seemingly could transfer a gun to an 18-year old offspring without a registered event, but you apparently could not transfer the same weapon to a spouse without going through a licensed dealer. Who would of thunk it?)

In an Orwellian twist, a person under 18 may only effectively possess a firearm in an act of self-defense, after magically gaining access to the gun in violation of the law, having had no previous legally sanctioned training in the use of firearms. (This looks a lot like the D.C. gun ban which requires either precognition of a break-in or criminal agreement to a “time out” that allows the gun owner to assemble/unlock a weapon for defensive use.)

One of the problems with registration is that it is often a precursor to confiscation. It has happened in Britain, Australia, New York, Louisiana, and California, to name a few places where the rich and powerful decided to disarm “The Great Unwashed.” As Dianne Feinstein wistfully remarked over her real desires regarding the Clinton “Assault Weapons” Ban, “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it.”

Or, as “Conservative” Charles Krauthammer said in a Washington Post article about the Clinton Ban quoted on the site listed immediately above, “…Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.”

Probably the most ironic thing about registration schemes is that criminals can evidently not be forced to register or turn in their weapons under such a law. In Haynes, the courts established that convicted felons, or other “prohibited persons,” who may not own a gun, can not be forced to incriminate themselves through registration. These ploys only restrict the rights of, and provide inconvenience for, law-abiding citizens.

H.R. 45 requires the licensing of anyone who owns a handgun or semi-auto with a magazine well. To obtain a five-year license, a citizen must submit a passport photo, and an application with a thumbprint. Persons desiring a license must pass a test designed by the Attorney General. (Think Reno Lieutenant Holder! Ouch!) The initial application requires a fee now capped at $25. Of course, the requirements can always be tightened and the fees can be raised.

We might expect any misdemeanor conviction or even traffic offense to become a ban to ownership. We might also expect psychiatric exams to be required to own an affected weapon. In some places, gun ownership requires certification by prominent citizens as to the character of the applicant. Understand! The rich and powerful will always have recourse to armed force through preferential laws and bodyguards.

This draconian proposal bans possession of any firearm by a person under 18. The discrimination against youth all but guarantees the death of the shooting sports and the ownership of guns for self-defense from crime, tyranny and genocide.

The bill imposes increased restrictions and reporting requirements on already heavily-regulated licensed dealers. It establishes a national registry of affected weapons.

H.R. 45 also makes it a federal crime to fail to report the theft of a firearm within 72 hours. Understand! The gun must be locked up to keep it away from anyone under 18. The police would undoubtedly do detailed investigations of any thefts to see if they could bust the owner for improper storage.

Under this bill, the Attorney General will conduct studies to present to Congress regarding the use of handguns and semi-autos in crime. We have here the typical Liberal positive feedback loop that goes something like this. The restrictions don’t reduce crime, therefore, we need more restrictions. Those restrictions don’t reduce crime, therefore, we need more restrictions. Those restrictions don’t reduce crime, therefore… Positive feedback loops are like addictive behavior, shrieking feedback in sound amplification systems, or computer viruses that overload hard drives. They are ultimately destructive of the very systems that they were originally intended to benefit.

Understand! Major research surveys of multiple studies (almost 400) done by the Centers for Disease Control, the National Academy of the Sciences and the Swiss-based Small Arms Survey indicate that there is no significant evidence that gun control reduces crime, or that gun ownership causes crime and violence. (See my posts under the Category: “Research.”)

All in all, H.R. 45 gives the anti-gun organizations that supported Obama and the Democrats much of the substance of their wish lists for the new administration. H.R. 45 infringes and lays the groundwork for much further infringement of the rights of American Citizens to armed self-defense against crime, tyranny, and genocide recognized by the Second Amendment and numerous state constitutions. Contact your legislators to oppose this bill! Tell your friends who value liberty that H.R. 45 jeopardizes their hard-won birthright of freedom!

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Never give or even confirm any personal information over the phone. Calls like this are used as bait to conduct identity theft and credit card fraud. If you want to donate to pro 2nd amendment activities the only real group to consider is the NRA.
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Just hang up. Any group or person that tries to make a "good thing" happen by cold calling people is an idiotic sociopath.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:04 PM   #9
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I agree, you're better off going directly through the NRA. There are some viable non NRA gun rights groups, and though I've never donated to a non NRA gun group, I suggest doing what I do with all phone solicitations (specificaly the republican party), tell them to send it to you in writing. That way you can look over everything, see exactly where the money will go, and you can send them cash or a money order rather than risk giving out your credit card and check routing info. Also, and I'm sure you already know this, you can probably do more good writing your congressman yourself. Often times a congressman who would normaly vote gainst gun rights will not even consider listening to a special interest group. When they hear directly from a voter however, it seems to trigger something, and they are more likely to actualy read your entire letter, rather than just toss the groups petition in the shredder.
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:26 PM   #10
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While I strongly encourage supporting all gun-rights groups, there is a certain advantage that the NRA has. It has a very large membership, and as such they have a more significant pull than some of the smaller organizations. If you have the money to donate to more than one organization, great! If you don't, I would recommend a NRA membership first and foremost, as they are the organization you want to be standing behind you should you ever need any help in Congress or in the courtroom.
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Like I stated before, I am a member of the NRA, I had just never heard of this group before.
As a follow up, they tried to get me to donate over the phone using my credit card. I declined and requested that they send me the pledge information in the mail. It has now been a week and I have received nothing. One would think that if I told them that I would be making a contribution, they would waste no time in sending me the paperwork. Therefore my doubts about the legitimacy of this group seem well founded.

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