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Old 09-13-2010, 11:08 AM   #1
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Help with an argument about 4 wheel driving

So hubby & I have a different opinion about 4 low, please give me your opinions, thanks!
He has a Polaris Rzr, I have a JK. I feel that when going down a steep incline on slickrock the best thing to do is 4lo, 1st' gear & crawl down, with a light touch on the brake if it speeds up.
He thinks that using the brakes all the way down in 4high is best.

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Old 09-13-2010, 11:14 AM   #2
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Steep hill + brakes = potential disaster.

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Steep hill + brakes = potential disaster.

You win.
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Brakes + Hill = Bad !
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Steep hill + brakes = potential disaster.

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Haha yea, 1st gear 4Lo,

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Does hubby have an argument for why it's better to use the brakes?
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Old 09-13-2010, 11:51 AM   #7
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I think hub prolly knows better...but he wants to argue
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Woo thats a good one Geoff, maybe' I will ask him when he comes home for lunch
Yeah'I Ibuildem, I think so to & I will tell him that when he is upside down


Just seems that he might think I don't know what I am talking about, but I have been 4 wheel driving for about 25 years & he hasn't done much of it.It's kind of hard to tell him without him thinking I am being a smart ass, but I am only thinking of his safety
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Old 09-13-2010, 12:07 PM   #10
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I'm a newbie and I know that 4lo is better.
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Didya move him in from another state? lol....I thought everyone in Utah was an offroader
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Didya move him in from another state? lol....I thought everyone in Utah was an offroader
No but he didn't start even riding 4 wheelers until a few years ago, then I got my Jeep & I guess he is getting tired of being passenger & thought the rzr would be good to take grandkids in when they visit.
I moved here from Australia 10 years ago & I have been 4 wheel driving since the early '80's. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great guy & well...just sometimes it's like he is a little pig headed & could be the male female thing going on
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I have a JKU Rubi auto-don't have to touch the brakes in 4lo !!

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I have a JKU Rubi auto-don't have to touch the brakes in 4lo !!

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Jimbo, maybe' you don't mind going a little faster downhill, but I am a bit of a chicken & mine seems to go a little too fast for my liking, mine is an auto' as well.
I spoke to him at lunch & he has agreed to a spot to do some practicing so thats a great idea I think. We may go out later, there is a great trail for it just near home
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I'm surprised anyone would say it's better to ride the brakes down a steep descent than to use 4Lo and 1st gear.
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Nope, I don't go any faster, but


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Jimbo, maybe' you don't mind going a little faster downhill, but I am a bit of a chicken & mine seems to go a little too fast for my liking, mine is an auto' as well.
I spoke to him at lunch & he has agreed to a spot to do some practicing so thats a great idea I think. We may go out later, there is a great trail for it just near home
Mine is a Rubi and with the 4/1 xfer case/4lo/ it goes awful slow, crawl ratio 73/1

Don't have to touch the brakes !

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Nope, I don't go any faster, but




Mine is a Rubi and with the 4/1 xfer case/4lo/ it goes awful slow, crawl ratio 73/1

Don't have to touch the brakes !

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pequeñita pregunta. 4 to 1 . is that final gear in the t case? Im a little confused on that. (I know the rubis got 4.10 gears but the rubi has a different t case then the other models? crawl ratio 73 to 1. 73 what to 1 what?
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The Rubi has a NV241 OR Rock-trac xfer case, that has a 4to1 low gear ratio, for crawling-


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pequeñita pregunta. 4 to 1 . is that final gear in the t case? Im a little confused on that. (I know the rubis got 4.10 gears but the rubi has a different t case then the other models? crawl ratio 73 to 1. 73 what to 1 what?
The other models have a NV241 G11 Command-trac xfer case, with 2.73 to 1 low gear ratio

the other models have a 38.9 to 1 crawl ratio

The ratio is transfer case input shaft rpm to drive shafts output RPM

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The Rubi has a NV241 OR Rock-trac xfer case, that has a 4to1 low gear ratio, for crawling-




The other models have a NV241 G11 Command-trac xfer case, with 2.73 to 1 low gear ratio

the other models have a 38.9 to 1 crawl ratio

The ratio is transfer case input shaft rpm to drive shafts output RPM

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Rubi's have a better transfer case for sure,I would like it in mine. Maybe' next Jeep will be a Rubi instead of a Sahara with upgrades
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Old 09-13-2010, 03:40 PM   #21
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I'm surprised anyone would say it's better to ride the brakes down a steep descent than to use 4Lo and 1st gear.
Yeah' no kidding, this is what happened to this guy when he tried it in 2 wd & stood on his brakes, btw I don't know him, we just happened along the same trail one day
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You can get away with murder in a RZR though. Things that would make a Jeep topple.

They are fun little critters.
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You can get away with murder in a RZR though. Things that would make a Jeep topple.

They are fun little critters.
They are that for sure, he loves it & I am happy for him to have one but I wouldn't want one I have a suzuki 4 wheeler already that is very fun. The rzr is pretty close to the ground, they are fast little buggers when you get them going too
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I guess there is no need for me to even reply to this one as it has been answered many times. Oh well - 4 LO.
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I know we all know it, but for validation take him to the 4x4 Basics section of the Jeep website. Here is a quote from the "Hills" section.

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Allow the gears and engine compression to slow you down, using the brakes only to fine-tune your speed. If equipped with an automatic transmission, use low-range and the lowest drive setting.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:12 PM   #27
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Thanks, just thought you should see the little trouble maker
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Ok. I want to comment on this thread because I find it very interesting, and because I have apparently been doing it wrong.

I wheel my Jeep (at Turkey Bay at least) in 4lo. But when going down a pretty steep hill I usually clutch and use brakes. I tried compression braking the last time I was up there on a very loose gravel hill at the recommendation of another jeeper (Gate53). I didn't like it that time because I built too much speed coming down. (Wheel speed and ground speed were not equal.) I traversed the same hill several more times using brakes only and was happier with the results. I guess I should probably start getting used to using compression braking, huh?
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I'm surprised anyone would say it's better to ride the brakes down a steep descent than to use 4Lo and 1st gear.
I'm not saying it's better, I've just never got in the habit of doing it because to be honest it kinda hurts my feelings to let it wind along like that going down hill. In addition, when driving down the road and approaching a turn I've always clutched it (whatever manual vehice I'm driving) and coasted down using the brakes when necessary and not let off the clutch until about halfway through the turn to go again.

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