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Old 08-27-2007, 09:47 PM   #1
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hi point pistols. tell me about em

a buddy of mine is lookin at a hi point .45 and wanted to know if he should get it or not. i was doin some readin and found out they're blow back operated. which i'm not really familiar with. so tell me everything you know about them and your opinions on them. thanks

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a buddy of mine is lookin at a hi point .45 and wanted to know if he should get it or not. i was doin some readin and found out they're blow back operated. which i'm not really familiar with. so tell me everything you know about them and your opinions on them. thanks
Well, I'm not really the one to ask about opinions when it comes to civilian weapons, but I can give you some non-opinionated advice......do lots of research when it comes to something like buying a weapon. It sounds like you're doing just that, and you WILL get lots of opinions on this board. Take them with a grain of salt, though. Just remember this, and pass it along to your buddy who's looking at the High Point.......buy the best weapon you can afford. Don't go with the lowest bidder, because you definately get what you pay for in the world of weapons.....trust me, I know this. Good luck with the research and let us know what happens......


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yea. he's tryin to stay relatively cheap. i told him to look at tarus. he just deosnt wanna go cheap in then be $200 in the hole if he gets a piece of crap
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a buddy of mine is lookin at a hi point .45 and wanted to know if he should get it or not. i was doin some readin and found out they're blow back operated. which i'm not really familiar with. so tell me everything you know about them and your opinions on them. thanks
NO NO NO. Tell him not to get it, its pure junk. My friend got one, its heavy and too bulky, his firing pin broke after about 400rds. I know they are cheap, but as you probably know you get what you've paid for. I spoke to a dealer in local gunshop about them, he told me the same thing, its crap, thats why they dont sell them in his store.

Just tell your friend to save another $300 and get a Colt1911, Glock, or XD-45. I have Springfield Armory XD-9, and VERY happy with it. It feels right in your hand, accurate, light, easy to field strip, and has a lifetime warranty. I've had it for over 4yrs, and not a single problem with it. I shot somewhere between 7000-9000 rounds from it, and not a single jam.

As for your question about "blowback operated guns", its a system used in most semi-auto guns. Here is a link to wiki which has a more detailed explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28arms%29
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thanks. thats what i was thinkin. i was readin alot about the slide be super heavy to make the blow back work
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NO NO NO. Tell him not to get it, its pure junk. My friend got one, its heavy and too bulky, his firing pin broke after about 400rds. I know they are cheap, but as you probably know you get what you've paid for. I spoke to a dealer in local gunshop about them, he told me the same thing, its crap, thats why they dont sell them in his store.
That's what I've heard about em. I have no experience with Hi Points, though.
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Actually, yes you do dear. Our first 9 was a highpoint, slide broke after about 100 rounds.
I've heard their quality has gone up considerably and they do come with a lifetime warranty but I wouldn't want one to trust my life to.
Ergonomically they suck even worse than Glocks.

ETA: tell your friend that if he's concerned about the cost of a good .45 he may want to consider another caliber. If he shoots enough to get proficient, he's going to spend far more on ammo then he will the firearm.
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Actually, yes you do dear. Our first 9 was a highpoint, slide broke after about 100 rounds.
Shows how much of an impression it made on me...
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i wouldnt buy one...a guy that was in my CCW class had one, and granted he couldnt shoot to save his life (or to pass the class) that gun really is not worth the money at all. i wouldnt want to pay 150 bucks for something that i would want to trust my life on

tell your friend if he wants to keep it cheap, buy a used ruger p90 or a used glock....but i would just stay away from hi-point...besides their 9mm carbine rifle, thats actually pretty sweet...but their pistal arent great at all
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No Hi Point. Bad bad. I've had Taurus pistols before, they shoot nice. There are several great names to choose from, spend a little extra and get quality.
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I will agree with you all that they are cheap and not the optimum weapon to possess especially if you want to carry everyday with it. I have a Hi-Point .40 that I carry with me when I'm wheelin or generally in the desert. I've put over a thousand rounds thru it with no issues. I've cleaned it regularly after every few hundred rounds. Never jammed or broke anything "yet". And for 150 bucks I don't mind letting it get all dusty.

Now I did say in a different thread that I am looking to get something lighter and more manageable for everyday carry, but for a home weapon or wheeling weapon I'm happy with my hi-point.
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I have the Hi-Point .45. The only problem I have with it, it doesn't like cheap ammo. After over 2000 rounds (not yet broke in) I took it to a private range so a friend could try it out. After a few magazines were spent, the owner came out with his Sig. He says "what is that POS you are shooting?" I told him. He said, "See how a Real pistol shoots!" And then he keyholed and jammed. He said, "Damn, I guess I need to take it back to the gunsmith". "How much did you pay for this?" I told him "139.00, lifetime warrenty" and he proceeded to unload 500 rounds without a problem. Then he said "this is way better that I thought it would be, I guess I'll get one." We continued to shoot till all the ammo was gone. No problems. Point and shoot.

Note: This is NOT my carry gun, way too heavy, but it is my #1House defense weapon. Point and shoot. Just remember, no cheap loads.




Oh yeah, I have a friend (co-worker) that owns the 9mm, never a problem, and another that has the 9mm camp gun that is identical working parts, other than the stock and barrell.
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x2. In the firearm world you get what you pay for except Bersa. Bersa's are the only cheap firearms that are of quality 3 times their cost.

Does your buddy shoot, or does he just want a .45 because hes heard it on the radio 100 times, and its more powerfull that a 9mm?

If hes a shooter, he should know better than to get a hi point. If he wants a .45 auto loader in that category, look at XD45s, M&P .45, Glock .45, Ruger makes a nice .45. Ive heard good things about Taurus 1911s, but thats it. 1911 would be my choice, but it doesn't sound like that its target point.

either way, save up some more cash and leave that hi-point to the "thugs" unless you talking the 9mm carbine. Those tend to be of decent quality.
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he's big into rifles but jsut gettin into pistols. i'm trying to talk him into a 9 but i dont know if i can. thanks for alls yall's info. keep it comin
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look into the ruger p345. I have one in .45 and it is very nice. super comfortable, jams or FTE's or stovepipes. Solidly built, but not too heavy. a very nice weapon at a good price. or as was mentioned, the SA xd-45. My friend has one and it is very nice also. a bit blockier then the p345 but still very nice.
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The only thing with them is you have to hold them sideways and shoot gangstuh style for them to operate correctly.
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i've got the p345 and he has a little expierence with it. i think he's just tryin to keep from spendin money on one. i'm trying to let him know that you get what you pay for. hopefully i can talk him into waiting a while
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look into the ruger p345. I have one in .45 and it is very nice. super comfortable, jams or FTE's or stovepipes. Solidly built, but not too heavy. a very nice weapon at a good price. or as was mentioned, the SA xd-45. My friend has one and it is very nice also. a bit blockier then the p345 but still very nice.
heres my Ruger P345. i love this gun. shoots great and is very accurate. in my opinion, one of the best guns in the price range. got it brand new for 450, taxes included, but you can get a used one for 350 or so.....they come in the stainless like mine, or blue.

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thats the exact one i have. altho i paid $600 for mine! gotta love kali

im thinking i may want a .40 never had or shot one. though to be honest with you, most of the guns i buy now are just for fun and plinking, so i go for .22 dirt cheap to shoot and tons of fun. i have my big boys - an AR, 12ga .45 pistol then a bunch of .22 rifles. my next purchases are a nice 357 revolver, (so i can be cheep and shoot 38 out of it heehee) and then a couple .22 pistols.
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he's big into rifles but jsut gettin into pistols. i'm trying to talk him into a 9 but i dont know if i can. thanks for alls yall's info. keep it comin
Oh, please don't misinterpret what I was trying to say. I appologize if I came off as if he should be shooting 9mm.

I don't enjoy firing 9mm at ALL (unless its an IMI UZI ). What I meant was, if he has already been shooting awhile, and just wanted aNOTHER .45, great, the hi-point is not the gun. If he is just now getting into handguns, many people go STRAIGHT for a .45 because of the nastalgia. Take him shooting. Let him shoot .22, 9mm, 380ACP, .40S&W, 357SIG, 357 mag, .38 special, .44 mag, .45 etc. You get the idea. Let him shoot any and all calibers he can get his hands on. I just recently learned by a reputable (by my standards anyway) that I am a "recoil junkie" hence why I have no fun shooting 9mm. For me, the enjoyment of shooting outweighs everything else, because in MD I cannot conceal carry or anything like that. Your friend really should find out what he likes to shoot, before he goes and wastes a few hundred bones. Every caliber has different characteristics, and every gun has a different feel also. 9mm is cheap, effective, and proven. .45 is big, slow, and pushy. .40 S&W is fast and snappy, you get the idea.


If you want to help your friend find the right handgun, stop listening to peoples advice on the internet, untill you two spend a little bit of time finding out what HE likes to shoot, not the rest of the world. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one. Don't get me wrong, asking how reliable Firearm A is, before you buy it, is a smart move, but asking a forum what gun to buy your friend that has no handgun experience, is like a multi-millioniare asking a boat salesman what boat he should buy. Who cares if he has no idea weather he likes sailboats, or speed boats, or yahts better, just sell me one darnit!

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My caliber of choice is and always has been .40. I like the weight and the feel in my hand. 9mm's have always just seem toy like to me. But everyone has their differences. I have a friend with smaller hands and arms that won't shoot anything else than a 9. Different strokes for different folks.

I also love the ranges around here because if you rent their pistols for one price you can shoot any weapon they have in the case. Just have to buy the ammo from them.
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i was just thinkin he needs to start with a 9 just to get used to shootin pistols, dont jump right in to the .45. i think he's tryin wantin to go .45 just bc i have one. not sure though. but i already told him not to go hi-point so i think he's gonna wait until he can afford somethin better. he's a big ol boy though (6'4, 230) so a 9 may feel like a toy. i may take him to the range thursday (free rentals) and let him see what he likes)

by the way, i got my kp345pr for $437 (came with case, 2 mags, lock, EZ-magloader, internal safety key, and one more thing i think, brand new)
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i was just thinkin he needs to start with a 9 just to get used to shootin pistols, dont jump right in to the .45. i think he's tryin wantin to go .45 just bc i have one. not sure though. but i already told him not to go hi-point so i think he's gonna wait until he can afford somethin better. he's a big ol boy though (6'4, 230) so a 9 may feel like a toy. i may take him to the range thursday (free rentals) and let him see what he likes)

by the way, i got my kp345pr for $437 (came with case, 2 mags, lock, EZ-magloader, internal safety key, and one more thing i think, brand new)
Here is the deal with handguns. Does he want it for:
1 - Home defense
2 - Concealed carry
3 - Go to shotting range, and have fun

If its for home defense, then i would recommend a 45 (i still have my Mossberg 500 sitting in the corner of my room ).
If its for concealed carry, then its gotta be something light and slim, yet pack enough power to go through a heavy leather jacket. I guess Sig or 40S&W is more then enough. But my perfect CC gun is Russian Tokarev (TT), its slim, light and uses 7.62x25 ammo which will go through many modern bullet proof vests.
If its for shooting range, i would recommend a 9mm or even .22LR. The ammo is cheap so you can have a lot of fun at the range, without thinking "omg, i just shot 50rds and it cost me $25. Winchester sells 100rds of Luger ammo for $11, and .22 will cost you 550rds for $7, if its a High Velocity or Match .22, it costs about $3 for 50rds.

So before he goes and buys something tell him to figure out what he wants it for.
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it really gonna be a multi-purpose handgun. he'll aslo be toting it hunting. where we hunt theres wild hogs, coyotes, and bobcats. when your walkin through the woods if one of them pops up you may not have time to get your rifle ready. and if its too close it may be hard to get it in the scope. so the pistol is a good sidearm
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it really gonna be a multi-purpose handgun. he'll aslo be toting it hunting. where we hunt theres wild hogs, coyotes, and bobcats. when your walkin through the woods if one of them pops up you may not have time to get your rifle ready. and if its too close it may be hard to get it in the scope. so the pistol is a good sidearm
I dont know what are the hunting laws in Georgia, but here in PA you are not allowed to use any semi-auto firearm while hunting. Check your local laws about that.

If you are planning to use the gun for hunting purposes, then i would recommend getting a revolver
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we can use them. heck, you dont even have to be 21 to carry one in GA if your're going huntin or fishing
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we can use them. heck, you dont even have to be 21 to carry one in GA if your're going huntin or fishing
Never had problems with hi points...great starter pistol in my opinion. My concealed weapon of choice though is the Ruger SR9.
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although a bit bulky a touch on the heavy side ,,i love my encore pistol setup

and even though it only holds 1 round that 45/70 does not need a follow up shot--lol--
just kidding of course,,,,,i carry a judge,,because when i need it iwant stopping power.

been there done that, when some wacked out drug head is still walking after 3 good rounds from small caliper weapons cause he is to stoned to know he is dead..

my wife has dead on 38 taurus featherlite that is cheap flawless and dead on .. she can consistantly put all 5 rounds in the head in a darkend room at 30ft

i cant help it i love revolvers,,,never problems,,
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tell your friend if he wants to keep it cheap, buy a used ruger p90 or a used glock.
This FTW!!!

I'm a huge fan of Ruger, The CS is fantastic and their weapons are wonderful, simple to operate, and user friendly, and durable. They are a tad heavy, but just shooting the weapon to get used to that weight is good.

I've owned two Ruger P95s. I traded in the first towards a Glock, sold the Glock after a few years because I simply couldn't get comfy with it no matter how many rounds went through it, and then sold it. I came back and bought another P95 and have been once again thrilled to shoot it.

Ruger is also very easy on the pocketbook compared to many pistols on the market. This is one of the few cases, IMO, where cheaper can actually be good for you.
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yall, this thread is 5 years old. some times, you just have to let threads die....

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