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Old 12-15-2009, 08:36 AM   #1
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Holiday Landfill - separated from Merry Christmas Thread

Well i am Jewish and although I do not find it disrespectful to say merry christmas to me some things i do feel disrespected by. The carols in school is one of them. We had a chorus teacher that made us sing songs like that, after the first concert we had to do there were a bunch of angry parents and he got fired. It is one thing to set up a tree at your house or the business you own but dont force kids to sing songs about how great jesus is.
And im not sure wtf Ben Stein is talking about b/c unless he went to an all jewish school and never met a christian all his life he has been harassed for being jewish. I live in mass (as seen above the most politically correct state) and i got harassed all the time, even though our town had the highest percent of jews in all of mass. Even from his first line i can see it "I confess..." Why should he need to confess he is a jew, as if it is a horrible thing. In addition back to the main point, i do feel somewhat left out when for example my work has a christmas party. I dont go, i dont care about christmas and why should i celebrate either 1. some guys birth whose religion ended up killing millions of people throughout the ages or 2. American consumerism. If it were a holiday party and I knew there would be some sort of Channukah celebration there would be a greater chance I would go. I could go on for days about this, but yes many people do find it very disrespectful and there is a reason why people say what they say.

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^ I dont feel sorry for you and i dont care

Merry Christmas

after all, this is a Merry Christmas thread, if you are not down with that then

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Well i am Jewish and although I do not find it disrespectful to say merry christmas to me some things i do feel disrespected by. The carols in school is one of them. We had a chorus teacher that made us sing songs like that, after the first concert we had to do there were a bunch of angry parents and he got fired. It is one thing to set up a tree at your house or the business you own but dont force kids to sing songs about how great jesus is.
And im not sure wtf Ben Stein is talking about b/c unless he went to an all jewish school and never met a christian all his life he has been harassed for being jewish. I live in mass (as seen above the most politically correct state) and i got harassed all the time, even though our town had the highest percent of jews in all of mass. Even from his first line i can see it "I confess..." Why should he need to confess he is a jew, as if it is a horrible thing. In addition back to the main point, i do feel somewhat left out when for example my work has a christmas party. I dont go, i dont care about christmas and why should i celebrate either 1. some guys birth whose religion ended up killing millions of people throughout the ages or 2. American consumerism. If it were a holiday party and I knew there would be some sort of Channukah celebration there would be a greater chance I would go. I could go on for days about this, but yes many people do find it very disrespectful and there is a reason why people say what they say.
Yup people like you ruin it for everyone else. I would go to a Hanukkah party because it's a gathering and it's fun who cares if were lighting candles or sitting near a tree, I'll carry around a menorah and chant, I don't know wtf it means but it sounds like fun . Point is, I don't care about lighting 8 candles nor do I care about an old fat guy that brings presents but it's just the fact of getting people and there families together. For you to not go to your work function because there might be eggnog and a x-mas tree is pretty ridiculous. If you don't like the people then fine I wouldn't go either but because it's a "Christmas party" is pretty childish. "mom I don't want to go, aunt Ida will be there and she picks her nose"....

Making kids sing x-mas songs or songs about Jesus? really who cares? why do people get upset...they make them sing songs about other stupid crap why don't parents get upset about that. Why don't parents get pissed when there kids have to sing titanic or some other stupid song in chorus. They can sing about Jesus, they can sing about Mohammad, or even a love story. who cares, doesn't mean you have to believe it, just be proud your kid is up there singing and enjoying him/herself. Growing up as anything you get harrassed so go cry to someone else. Weather your a Jew, or a Muslim or just short like me everyone gets made fun of and harassed it's part of life and it's part of growing up, if you get offended by stupid shit like that then maybe you missed the growing up part, welcome to life and Merry F&*%ing christmas!

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Actually I don't go on principle. If they want to have a big fun party why call it a Christmas party? Why not a Holiday party? Is it that hard to include everyone? There could be eggnog and dreidels :-O what an idea! Not being Christian centered.

People get upset because its not something that a public school should be doing. Telling all their kids that Jesus is the savior etc. I'm sure the south would have an uprising if all schools started to sing Muslim songs or songs about how Jesus is bullshit and there is no hell, that abortion is right, or about gay love. You don't inject ethical and religious views into a public school.
And I wasn't "crying to you" as you so eloquently put it, instead I was sharing my viewpoint on the subject. If you no longer value other opinions but your own why are you even on a forum for sharing ideas?
In addition we would not be so uptight about the subject if there weren't so many goys like u that harass us. So do yourself a favor by being nice maybe there will be no more need for politically correctness because people will not feel so defensive.

All I'm saying is I have the decency to not go around telling everyone happy Chanukah, instead I compromise and say happy holidays, the same is all we are looking for in return. And I predict your response to this will be, "I don't care, say Happy Chanukah thats great." But then if you don't care, why do you care so much that people are saying happy holidays instead of merry Christmas??
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Point taken. I'm not trying to attack you I just get riled up, sorry. Anyway, It's not that I care if people say happy holidays at all, in fact I say it to It just bothers me when others get upset or offended if you happen to say merry Christmas or something that they are not a part of/believe in. Today's Politically correct society drives me crazy, we all just need to get along and say what we feel and mean not beat around the bush to try and "include everyone" I shouldn't have even said anything I hate arguing on a forum it's to difficult. I'm just easy going and whatever people want to believe is fine with me, and if they tell my kids Jesus is the savior that's fine to because when they grow up they will figure out and believe whatever they want just like I did.

On a side note: I drove across the country with a Jewish man a couple years ago. When we were in Arizona he told me that I owed him 25 cents, I dropped him off at the bus station and told him to GTFO. Never saw him again.
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:-) agreed (pretty much)










you restored my faith in the forum btw, i was like grrrr bunch of damn rednecks haha
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How about we just say it's another day in the year?
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I'm cool with that, would anyone object to the 25th of December being Wrangler day? oooo then we could have wrangler eve on the 24th...see I get exited...
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Go Topless Day is my favorite day, Allthingsjeep.com had one here May1st. Best holiday all year :-D
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OK, now that this is all settled. I am by NO MEANS a Christian. I have my own set of beliefs. I was forced to be a Catholic as a child but my travels around the world and things I have seen in both peace time and war time (as an adult) have skewed the beliefs that were forced upon me. Does that stop me from putting a tree up in the house?! Nope. Do I get all pissy when I drive by the park and see the 40 foot Menorah? Nope. See, I decided a long long time ago that I cant change the way people are. Having said that, I can't help feel sorry for those who would choose to complain about anything anybody does or believes in at anytime of year.

Let's face it db... When's the last time a Christmas tree fell on you? Has Santa ever mugged you behind the mall? Has a lynch mob of Christians stood outside your door threatening to harm you for being of a different faith? No. It's never happened and until it does I would thank you not to shit up my Merry Christmas thread. As you have said, "many" have dealt with religious oppression. But the "few", the mouthy few muck it up for everyone. And I would wager that if you started a "Happy Chanukah" thread NOT ONE person would post in it that they are offended. Because, the day you are offended by glad tidings is the day you are wrong.

Whether you worship Allah, Mohamed, Ganesha, A big, puffy bearded, European God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Captain Picard, their message is ALL the same. Do no harm, live and let live. I don't remember any part of my Catholic bootcamp that instructed me to kill all others that don't believe the same as I do. And it certainly didn't make me feel like I need to belittle or dismiss other beliefs because mines the best.

See the masses are afraid of what they don't understand. And rather than putting a little effort into learning about it, they chose to make fun of it, exclude themselves, cross their arms, stomp their foot and act like a pouting 1st grader. Just as debruins did at the party.

If you want us all to change to fit you, then maybe you should change a little yourself to fit us. Then we can all be one big happy collective and rejoice in knowing one another.

To be quite honest with you. I've grown weary of all this back and freakin' forth. And yeah, I kinda wish December was just another month. It sure would be one hell of a lot cheaper and a LOT less stress.
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True...if i even saw a Happy Chanukah thread i probably wouldn't even click on it, let alone rant in it like this,

"i dont care about christmas and why should i celebrate either 1. some guys birth whose religion ended up killing millions of people throughout the ages or 2. American consumerism. i dont care about christmas and why should i celebrate either 1. some guys birth whose religion ended up killing millions of people throughout the ages or 2. American consumerism."

Thats dumb
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Santa mugged me of my beer, but thank Allah it was just Guiness.

Come on guys, it's a day.

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Well you chose to go beyond just merry christmas, u chose to bash saying happy holidays, and I felt the need to show why it is important to say happy holidays and why people say it. If you had just written Merry Christmas, I would have merely passed over the thread or posted my good wishes.
And actually yes we had people throw rocks at our house and break our windows because we put up Chanukah decorations. Don't tell me what has an hasn't happened to me.
I'm not sure what you mean by me not understanding? I understand that you would rather ignore unpleasant things and gloss over them and not have any inconvenience to your daily life. What exactly do you want me to learn about??

In addition I have changed a lot to fit you. I wont tell you all the things, cause then I'll just be "whining," But if you would like a list I could make one pages long. Dont think that minorities haven't had to assimilate, thats just uneducated.

And yes mudslinger, thats what Christmas means to me, if you would like to prove otherwise, do so with kind words, cause that is the Christmas spirit right??
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Wait a minute, did you just play the minority card?
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im not sure it is a card to play, but yes it is true anybody not white christian male when coming or living in the US must assimilate. This is not something you can dispute.
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Hey D, Im neither, but I still cant understand the dispute
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I'm a mutt and I'm not religious, yet I don't find it difficult assimilate. If someone doesn't like the way I'm doing things than hey by all means go do it your way. Don't play the race/minority thing, we all have to adjust to things no matter what you are or where you come from it's the people that complain and are suborn that find things offensive and hard. The minorities have to adjust to the majority just as the majority has to adjust to the minority. so think about what your asking.

If a comment like Merry christmas instead of happy holidays ruins your day than by all means go hang yourself and help the world clean the gene pool
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I actually never said that, i said i dont mind ppl saying merry christmas, but it started out by showing why it was important not to have christian songs sung in school and showing why it makes sense to say happy holidays. And I agree everyone has to make adjustments, Ccain seems to be complaining about a very small adjustment of saying happy holidays, when as u said yourself everyone has to make them.
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im not sure it is a card to play, but yes it is true anybody not white christian male when coming or living in the US must assimilate. This is not something you can dispute.
Wait just a damned minute here. I'm white, Irish and used to be Catholic. Hell, I'm the only person it's politically correct to openly make fun of now-a-days.

Oh baby can I dispute that load of crap!
If all non white, non Christian males coming to America must to assimilate, then why is there a "Chinatown" or "Little Italy" in most big cities? Why the hell is there Spanish on all the labels at the grocery store? Why the fawk do I have to press one for English?

Sounds to me like you're writing another paper for school, skimmed over the facts briefly and are trying to establish your opinion as fact.

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I think it's a stupid debate
Merry Christmas, if I "disrespect" you by saying that, I'm sorry. I actually have a lot of Jewish friends and they all go to Christmas parties... I guess to my friends and I religion doesn't matter as much as to some people on here.
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Why does there have to be a China town or little italy?? Because to be able to not assimilate they must self-segregate to be able to continue to live as they did before they came here. To live in the regular, daily American culture one cant avoid some sort of assimilation. In addition there aren't spanish labels in the grocery store nor do I have to push one for English here haha.
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Why the fawk do I have to press one for English?
I HATE that.
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Yeah... Well, we'll just see if I start a Merry Christmas thread next year! You bunch of ungrateful heathens! You can all go to what ever construct of hell your belief offers!

I hope Santa shit's in your stockings, Chanukah Harry boosts your wallet and Kwanzaa Kevin runs over your dog. And may Frosty the Snowman piss in your shoes!

Bah Humbug!
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Oh... And I changed the name of this thread to the "Bah Humbug" thread. That is of course you have a religious obligation to hate Charles Dickens too!
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Iit started out by showing why it was important not to have christian songs sung in school

again I'm not Christian but explain to me why this is such a big deal. When the kids grow up they will make there own choices and I'm sure they will not look back and say I believe in god because my elementary chorus teacher told me to.

It's parents like you that make it so the kids can't enjoy the holidays. And when your at the chorus show let me know how awkward it is when your sitting at a table of Jewish,Muslim, and Christian parents and there kids are either singing every religions songs to please everyone or no songs at all because someone might get upset, it's about the kids not the parents people seem to forget that.. They won't let Santa come to schools any more and play with the kids because some parent might go postal that there kid was exposed to Christmas. Kids don't know any better and Santa is just fun for them. If they want to follow that up with a guy in a menorah suit to play with the kids great, I'm sure they would like that to. Better yet why don't we just have a clown for the holidays to please everyone would that be ok with you?
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yes actually a clown would be better because that would encompass those that are neither Jewish nor Christian, that would have been great with me as a kid. And there are plenty other songs for them to sing that the kids would just be happy about singing and performing for their parents.

Its not parents like me that make it so kids cant enjoy the holidays, its parents like me that make it so kids can enjoy whatever holiday, and not just Christmas.
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omfg can we just end this already really its not a contest really just enjoy the day how ever u do
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Yea i'm done this is going no where (not that I expected it to) I'm famished and I have to poop.

I love you debruins...
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Christmas is about the birth of Christ, end of story. But people can celebrate the season how they choose and I am ok with it.

I agree 100% with Cain, I do not like all the stress and expense that comes with this month. And in my own feelings I will be happy when the calendar says Jan. 2nd.

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