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Old 03-29-2010, 11:10 AM   #1
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FBI: Mich. Militia Plotted to Kill Police - CBS News

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According to a federal indictment unsealed this morning in Detroit, members of the Midwest group called the Hutaree had planned multiple attacks on police officers or other law enforcement personnel as a way of acting out their hatred for the government.
Looks like the counts are public. I like their art.

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No better way to spread the message of the christianity, and hatered for government than stockpiling assault rifles and making bombs....I dont get it.

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No better way to spread the message of the christianity, and hatered for government than stockpiling assault rifles and making bombs....I dont get it.
From the late-in-the-day CNN story, they reportedly wanted to murder an officer and then attack the funeral procession before retreating to their compound. This would, in theory, have triggered a national militia revolt.

Personally, I really want to see the government and various law enforcement agencies not turn the “war on terror” against American citizens, which points out the insane stupidity of starting a war against an emotional state.

When people are hot to kill it is amazing what lengths they will go to to justify their desires.
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Far right groups like this are becoming a big problem in this country. The scary thing is these are people not much more radical than the "tea party" crowd. Every american has the right to protest, but when joe blow shows up at the town hall meeting packing heat its going too far...then joe blow and his like minded pals from the gun club start planning things like this group did. Islamic extremist or christian extremist, makes no difference, their end does not justify their means.
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but when joe blow shows up at the town hall meeting packing heat its going too far...then joe blow and his like minded pals from the gun club start planning things like this group did.
There is a big difference between showing up packing heat looking for a fight and packing heat cause a fight found you. and as a member of a gun club (target shooter) Joe Blow can go blow as far as I'm concerned. No like mindedness here I just think that you can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution suite your needs at the moment and the ones you don't agree with is just a bunch of drivel written by old dead men in powdered wigs. There sure is alot of Black and White, Right and Wrong with no grey area in these discussions. Funny on how quick you are called a racist and war monger when you don't bow down to the left. Last I checked to get called names like that you had to actually be those things.
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Man, that was voice activated.
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No there is plenty of grey area, there is in almost all aspects of life. But when planning to kill innocents to get your message across you are just a terrorist plain and simple.
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Man, that was voice activated.

I know right. Very weird.
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Sorry should have clarified that a bit didn't mean to say you guyz are calling people bad names and what not. I was being what I complained about and generalizing. I don't even know why I posted. I prob read too far into it just tired and frustrated by a broken Jeep and broken Xbox.

I feel like a fish out of water in CT I lean conservative and round here thats like wearing a white sheet and shooting a gun in the air.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:29 PM   #10
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Man, you have a broken Jeep AND a broken xbox?

That sucks man.
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rings of death or what?
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Man, you have a broken Jeep AND a broken xbox?

That sucks man.
Dude. That made my night. A little sympathy I feel slightly better now that a fellow Jeeper has understood my woes.
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rings of death or what?
no, just freezes. I have an old Gen 1 360 and I never had a prob till I hooked it back up to the internet and it wanted to download updates and change the dashboard. I can't even get 10 seconds in and the screen freezes and I have to hard boot it. I'll call Microsoft and see if they can help me.
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Yeah, what's wrong with the Jeep too?
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Yeah, what's wrong with the Jeep too?
lol I've hyjacked the thread. sorry. last post about me. Bad TPS or something. thing keeps kicking CEL codes and running bad. I replace the sensor and runs fine for a week then back to something wrong. wouldn't even start for me untill I put the old sensor back in today. I'm bringing it to the shop this weekend.
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Ok, first, I'm going to steal Jerry Bransford post and post it here:

For the TPS, it's my advice to simply replace it when it gets dirty enough to become erratic. Two small torx-head screws (T-25 if I recall correctly) hold it to the throttle body. Remove them, swap in the new TPS, and screw the screws back in and reconnect it. Be sure to use the right size torx-adapter and hold it in the screw firmly and square so the screw head doesn't strip out. When installing the new TPS, be sure to align its slot with the little tab sticking out of the throttle body which is what rotates the TPS's internal resistor.

So check all that and while you are doing all this, disconnect the battery so you know the computer is baselined and it isn't aware that it has an old or new TPS in.

Then reconnect and try again.

Should only take 15 minutes AND your xbox is broken...
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Done all that... Three times. I've bought 2 different sensors from different places and had one swapped over the counter as it was 'bad' Still in my world of hurt. I have another Thread with the issue that I'm getting ideas to bounce off of. Thanks for the info
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Im not shure what microsoft will do for you about your box. Ive had my 2nd gen shipped in twice, first time i had similar problems to what you are having right now and they charged me 100 bucks to fix it. The second time i had the rings of death and they fixed it for free. Still sucks having to ship it in and go without for a few weeks.
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Have you tried unplugging the xbox, taking the HD off for a few and then plugging it back in w/o the internet connection first?
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It's not like I'm new to the Internet. I work on it, and it pays the bills. I understand all sorts of things about the Internet (it's basically a series of tubes).

I know that all threads go off topic eventually.

But what the hell happened here?
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But what the hell happened here?
We moved the tubz.
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Well, plug 'em back in where you found 'em.

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Ummm..... no.
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I like bacon.
who doesn't!! I'm almost sure that was God's gift!
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who doesn't!! I'm almost sure that was God's gift!
Thats why I wouldn't mess with Israel. I do not know how you can resist the aroma and flavor of crisp frying BACON. The Jewish people must have some kind of superwill to stick to their beliefs and not cave in to the UBERFOOD. My hats off to them for willpower. That Israel is a bad mothafu SHUT YO MOUTH I'm just talken about Israel. Can you dig it?
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Militia Chief's Mistrust Festered, Friends Say
Portrait Emerges of Man Who Despised Authority; Undercover Agent Played a Role in Probe

By ALEX P. KELLOGG, LAUREN ETTER, KEITH JOHNSON and TIMOTHY W. MARTIN
The leader of a Michigan militia group charged this week with conspiring to kill law-enforcement officers was described Tuesday as a private, family-oriented man who nurtured a festering mistrust of governmental authority, according to people close to the family.

"On the inside of this man's brain, something evil lurks, and until you get to know him, you don't know it," said Andrea Harsh, who was engaged to David Brian Stone Sr. until the couple broke up last year.

She described Mr. Stone, a trim 45-year-old man who wears his whitish hair cropped short over spectacles and a bushy gray mustache, as having a "bubbly personality." But he became consumed by the Hutaree, she said, a southeastern Michigan militia group that described its members as "Christian warriors."

In an indictment Monday, federal authorities named Mr. Stone as leader of the Hutaree and accused him and eight members with plotting to spark an uprising against the U.S. government by killing police. Along with Mr. Stone, seven other men and one woman from Michigan, Ohio and Indiana are in being held without bond on weapons and sedition charges.

The indictment said Hutaree had practiced attacks and other military maneuvers for more than a year, and had planned to kill a law-enforcement officer, then use homemade bombs to attack officers who attended the funeral.

An undercover agent played a role in the investigation that led to Monday's indictments. Grand jury testimony by a law enforcement officer referred to an "undercover FBI agent" who worked on the case. The FBI declined to comment, but infiltration is a common tactic for law-enforcement officials targeting domestic militia groups.

Those charged in the case included Mr. Stone's current wife, Tina Mae Stone, 44; as well as two sons, David Brian Stone Jr., 19; and Joshua Matthew Stone 21. Attorneys for Ms. Stone, David Jr. and Joshua declined to comment Tuesday; the senior Mr. Stone had no attorney as of late Tuesday.

The Hutaree appears based at Mr. Stone's home, a pair of dilapidated house trailers near the intersection of dirt roads in rural Clayton, Michigan—population 303—about 85 miles southwest of Detroit. The yard this week held three cars, a dog house, debris and a gun leaning on an old washing machine.

Family members and acquaintances said Mr. Stone doesn't curse, smoke or drink alcohol and was a strict disciplinarian with his sons, whom he home-schooled from a young age. While he rarely attended church, he studied the Bible nightly, memorizing long passages, said Ms. Harsh, his ex-fiance. Several scripture passages appear on the Hutaree Web site.

On his page on the MySpace social-networking site, Mr. Stone, using the alias of "(RD) Merzonik," listed his interests as "GOD, Guns and Girls." He said he liked action and science-fiction movies and writes, "only dead people are true heroes ... so I guess I don't have any." He listed his hometown as, "Wasteland, America," and 73 MySpace friends include several state and county militias.

Mr. Stone is listed as a 1982 graduate of Sand Creek High School on an alumni Web site. Donna Stone, his ex-wife, said she met Mr. Stone in the mid-1990s when she worked at a deli counter and he was a customer. She said he was charming and funny.

But Mr. Stone increasingly displayed a stubborn streak, as well as an affinity for guns. Ms. Stone, 44, said she left him after about a decade together. "When he went from handguns to big guns, I said, 'Enough,' " she said.

Court documents reveal an undercover FBI agent was part of the investigation of a Michigan-based Christian militia group that allegedly plotted to spark an uprising against the government by killing police officers. Plus, in a major push against the health overhaul, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce plans to spend $50 million to sway election outcomes; and the News Hub discusses how a six-year high in the number of stocks hitting 52-week highs is not necessarily a bad sign for stocks.

Ms. Harsh, 40, said she began dating Mr. Stone in 2008 after meeting him at a plastics recycling factory where they worked. Mr. Stone showed her a Hutaree business card when they met, but otherwise said little about the group while they dated for several months.

After they moved in together, Ms. Harsh said, he spent hours on the computer, building the group's Web site and searching online for weapons. "His life was pretty much consumed by the Hutaree," she said.

Mr. Stone despised authority, Ms. Harsh said, particularly "anyone with a badge." She said his temper finally drove her away last year. Mr. Stone remarried a few months later.

Ron Gaydosh, 62, said he had known Mr. Stone for more than 15 years, and frequently invited the Stones over for barbecues. He described Mr. Stone as a "good guy," with "all-around good kids," and said the family enjoyed hunting and fishing.

He said Mr. Stone was easily upset by talk of the government. "Some of the things that upset Dave also upset me," said Mr. Gaydosh, who belongs to another militia group with no ties to Hutaree. They frequently discussed survivalist techniques and poked fun at government officials, he said, but "there was never any violence planned."

Mr. Gaydosh said Mr. Stone didn't like law enforcement officials driving by and shining lights at Mr. Stone's house, adding that he always referred to police as "feds." Mr. Stone also didn't like neighbors complaining about his target shooting, Mr. Gaydosh said.

It's not clear whether Mr. Stone had money troubles. Ms. Harsh said he was working at Demlow Products, an auto-industry supplier in Clayton; a person who answered the phone at the company declined to comment. Mr. Stone and his ex-wife, Donna Stone, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection in 1999.

Over the past couple of years, Mr. Stone attracted more Hutaree members, Ms. Harsh said: "His goal was to have all of the states have at least one group of Hutaree."

But he scared off some potential recruits. Jon Killman said he visited Mr. Stone and his sons in December because he was interested in joining a militia to practice survival skills.

He said Mr. Stone was a gracious host and offered him coffee. But soon Mr. Killman "got a bad vibe" as the Stones started joking about police officers who'd been shot in a coffee shop in Washington state.The family's dining room table was strewn with shotgun shells, Mr. Killman recalled. The elder Mr. Stone said the shells would be filled with gunpowder and tied to trip wires to simulate landmines.

At first "they just seemed like a down-to-earth hillbilly family," he said. "After 20 minutes into the meeting, I realized these guys are not dealing with a full deck."

Matt Savino, commander of the Lenawee Volunteer Michigan Militia near Mr. Stone's home, said in recent months Mr. Stone became "paranoid" and began asking other militia groups to join in military exercises.

Mr. Stone began talking more about how "the federal government was coming down on them" and the need to be on the offensive and retain the element of surprise, Mr. Savino said.
Ms. Harsh said Mr. Stone "always thought he could hide from the government. He thought he was invincible."
Write to Keith Johnson at keith.johnson@wsj.com, Lauren Etter at lauren.etter@wsj.com and Timothy W. Martin at timothy.martin@wsj.com
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Far right groups like this are becoming a big problem in this country. The scary thing is these are people not much more radical than the "tea party" crowd. Every american has the right to protest, but when joe blow shows up at the town hall meeting packing heat its going too far...then joe blow and his like minded pals from the gun club start planning things like this group did. Islamic extremist or christian extremist, makes no difference, their end does not justify their means.
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