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Old 03-24-2009, 10:08 PM   #31
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it just seems as though the government is protecting us from ourselves.
yep, thats what i've already said. they can protect others from me, but not myself from me.

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Old 03-25-2009, 10:27 AM   #32
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Let's get rid of all the helmet laws. Let everyone choose.

Bicycles and ATV's too.

Then register all vehicle riders and charge each one $1000 / year.

It wouldn't totally pay for all the consequences of the injured.
But it would help partially pay for the care of those that become vegetables of the state and would help provide for survivors that depended on the deceased. The husbands,wives and children left behind.

Then the rest of the taxpayers that don't ride would not have to carry as much of the burden.

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I'd love to help you out and I understand your concern, but my cousin has his helmet to thank for aiding in minimizing his injuries suffered from a crash on an Illinois State Police motorcylce. He was attempting to catch up to a "low life" in a pick up truck (several outstanding warrants, no insurance, etc...) for a moving violation, and the guy decided to just stop in the middle of the road, instead of pulling to the right shoulder. Motorcylce clipped the back bumper, and up and over he went. Helmet scratched and marred, and possibly cracked, but still in place and no dammage to head.

Again, I understand your thoughts, as my wife refuses to wear her seat belt for your exact reasons above. Good luck to you.
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again, question isn't if helmets are better or worse. it is better not to do a lot of things, (drink alcohol, smoke, eat junk food, push pandas) is it the government's job to make laws against them?

and bird dog, there's so many things wrong with what you said, i don't know where to start. i guess i'll start with the laundry list of things my tax dollars pay for that i have nothing to do with, just one example being illegal immigrants and their strain on the economy, and the 5 kids in one house that i'm helping give an education to, while struggling to put my kids in private school because of how messed up public shcools are that get my tax money.

lets focus on the strain on tax payers money that are actually breaking the law, instead of instating new laws infringing on legal citizen/ tax payers rights, if thats gonna be your argument.
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yep, thats what i've already said. they can protect others from me, but not myself from me.

Ok, so they're protecting me from paying for you by forcing you to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle.






I love devil's advocate... cuz I think the gov should stay out of it.


And don't you start on panda pushing.
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i've been writing my congressman to vote on legislation making panda pushing illegal in the lower 48 states.
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i've been writing my congressman to vote on legislation making panda pushing illegal in the lower 48 states.

You'll be dead soon. The calculator said so.
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it will be my dying wish.
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Ok, so they're protecting me from paying for you by forcing you to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle.






I love devil's advocate... cuz I think the gov should stay out of it.


If that's your concern (and I know you're just playing DA), then pass a law stating that if someone is injured on a motorcycle w/out a helmet, then the max that the state will pay is $10,000 for neurological or spinal injuries.
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i have a question about that argument anyway. when does the state end up paying medical bills? i honestly don't know when or why this comes into play here, so someone please tell me how the state ends up with the bill for a motorcycle accident.

i have insurance for the bike, and health insurance. so are we saying the rider in question is un-insured? then he/she is already breaking the law, so whats a helmet law gonna do?
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I never said medical bills. I said disability. And if you cap disability then the disabled person will end up a ward of the state. More money out.
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Health insurance *most of the time* won't cover things like motorcycle accidents. There are clauses for that kind of stuff.

Your motorcycle insurance takes care of that. If you don't have medical on your motorcycle insurance, and your health insurance won't cover motorcycle accidents, you pay out of pocket. If you skip on the bill, the Hospital eats it/fights you for it, not the state (most of the time). Most Hospitals are privately owned, not state owned, at least around here anyway.

I think the only time the state would pay for the medical bills would be if a state vehicle hit you (but then the state would have insurance), if you could prove the state was responsible (unsafe roads or something) or something along those lines.

I am not a lawyer, and that is not my final answer
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I never said medical bills. I said disability. And if you cap disability then the disabled person will end up a ward of the state. More money out.
As much money as the states hand out to people for far more "stupid" reasons, something tells me trying to save some money on disability is NOT their goal. In fact, given the current political trend lately, the state would WANT more people on disability to have more people reliant on the gob-ment. Not to mention all the different programs they would *have* to throw money at, like bionic limbs, safe driving seminars, taking over hospitals to provide medical support for newly disabled people or welfare recipients etc.

More personal uneducated opinion is that this is a "feel good" bill to help the Delegate/Senator etc. stay in office. More than likely there are far more people in IL that would say "Oh, look! He cares about our personal well being, and took the time to try and save lives!" Than there are bikers who would oppose the legislation.
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Ah, but you like I and the rest cannot speak to the reasoning in any sort of definitive manner, only the goal and possible the outcome if passed or not passed.

Had Jimmy been wearing a helmet he wouldn't be in a vegetative state now, so Jimmy's parents decide the government should have mandated helmet laws. They sue the state. The state, no matter what they do, will come off looking uncaring. So, to save themselves from future lawsuits and negative publicity the state passes a helmet law, and settles quietly with Jimmy's parents.

The state is now covered in case Jerry decides he doesn't want to wear a helmet.
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Ah, but you like I and the rest cannot speak to the reasoning in any sort of definitive manner, only the goal and possible the outcome if passed or not passed.

Had Jimmy been wearing a helmet he wouldn't be in a vegetative state now, so Jimmy's parents decide the government should have mandated helmet laws. They sue the state. The state, no matter what they do, will come off looking uncaring. So, to save themselves from future lawsuits and negative publicity the state passes a helmet law, and settles quietly with Jimmy's parents.

The state is now covered in case Jerry decides he doesn't want to wear a helmet.
True, I forgot how doomed our society was. I also forgot accountability was dead, and we have been raising our kids that it is never their fault and only the fault of others when something goes bad for the last 20+ years.

I quit, Tiny's right (Yes Tiny, I am being serious, not sarcastic )
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I have always wondered why lawmakers are so "concerned" about motorcycle safety. Why don't we ever hear about them trying to pass helmet laws for bungee jumpers?
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I quit, Tiny's right (Yes Tiny, I am being serious, not sarcastic )

Don't quit. I'm just tossing out some of the other reasons legislators may be bringing these Nanny Laws to light. I have a problem with them, but I don't think the lawmakers reasons are all nefarious, self serving maybe.

If we were to get back to personal accountability and remove the ability to sue over nothing and enforce fines for filing frivolous lawsuits, we may be able to regain some freedoms because businesses/government would not have to worry about someone spilling hot coffee in their lap and getting a couple million for it.

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