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Old 03-23-2009, 07:46 PM   #1
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SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois lawmakers Wednesday moved toward making helmets mandatory for motorcycle riders, but the proposal faces a long road before becoming law.

A Senate committee voted 6-4 for legislation to require helmets. All Democrats voted for the proposal and all Republicans voted against it.

During debate, the Capitol hearing room was filled with motorcycle riders, who cheered loudly during testimony to oppose the plan.

But Democrats prevailed. State Sen. Donne Trotter, a Chicago Democrat and longtime motorcycle rider, sponsored the measure and said it was a matter of safety.

“If you do live, it’s the quality of life that you’re going to have because you haven’t busted your head on the concrete,” Trotter said. “Because when you’re on a motorcycle, basically, you’re just a rocket ready to be launched if you hit something.”

Todd Vandermyde, a spokesman for the motorcycle-rider advocacy group ABATE, contested that helmet wearing is a decision best left to the people riding the bikes.

“I don’t need you, or the members of the General Assembly, being another parent to me,” Vandermyde said “I’m 44 years old. I made it this far. Leave me alone.”

The bill now moves onto the full Senate for further debate. The helmets issue has come up regularly in Illinois for years, but has never been ultimately successful. On Wednesday, two of the Democrats voting for the helmets law said they might not do so again on a full Senate vote.

The situation in Illinois may have changed a bit, though, as helmets-supporter Senate President John Cullerton took on his leadership role earlier this year.

The legislation is Senate Bill 1351. end quote.
wether a cyclist wears a helmet or not does not affect anyone else around him/her. the government should not have the right to say i have to wear a helmet while riding. if anyone else would be effected or hurt it would be one thing, but the only one effected, is the one making the decision. this is still america right?

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even if you're in illinois and you don't ride, if this sounds wrong to you please speak out. are helmets smarter? probably, should we be required by law to use them, no. if this sounds logical to you, speak up.

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It's manditory here in VA, but I think a helmet law is BS.... just like seatbelt laws... it's all personal choice.... If I were a biker I WOULD wear a helmet because it is the SAFE thing to do... Same with my seatbelt... I wear it for the safety, not because it is the law.
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I agree we shouldn't have to wear helmets or seatbelts if we choose, but that is the way it seems to be the majority of the country. I miss living in NH (LIVE FREE OR DIE). No helmet law, no seatbelt law for anyone over 18.
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in nj helmets are mandatory, but across the bridge (2 mins from my house), you don't have to wear them. i don't think the govt should mandate personal safety for an adult. if you want to drive w/o a seat belt or helmet so be it.
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It's manditory here in VA, but I think a helmet law is BS.... just like seatbelt laws... it's all personal choice.... If I were a biker I WOULD wear a helmet because it is the SAFE thing to do... Same with my seatbelt... I wear it for the safety, not because it is the law.
x2. My father and I both ride. My dad wouldn't wear a helmet if he hadn't already got like 3 or 4 helmet tickets in his lifetime. I still would if it wasn't legal, but that's MY choice.

I am with you though, it should be the RIDERS choice, not the governments. Same thing with seat belts. It would be a very easy thing to add a section of code in the PCM to disable air bags when the seat belt is not used (the sensor is already there, hence the DING DING DING when you don't wear it). Just as you said: Is it smarter? Without question. Should the government make it mandatory? $%^& no.
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Helmet law sucks
we dont have one here but when you travel
you have to carry one for the states that do

It should be a choice

next will be Helmets when skiing
and seatbelts for bikes
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one word: money...writing these tickets is just another reason for the government to steal our money....
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^so i assume you at least did the online petition right
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Dave I used to ride- I wore a helmet but I wrote a letter to them about it. I do not agree with it. If you want to were one were one if not then don't. Same with a seat belt. I have ridin without a helmet in cali on my old gsxr 1000 and yes it was a very cool feeling but something seemed wrong. But I don't believe in telling a grown adult that you have to do that. Dave you must whip your ass after you take a crap lol.
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^so i assume you at least did the online petition right
going now. i plan on getting a motorcycle at some point and i think that this is crap. it doesn't hurt anyone but the rider...grrrrr
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Dave I used to ride- I wore a helmet but I wrote a letter to them about it. I do not agree with it. If you want to were one were one if not then don't. Same with a seat belt. I have ridin without a helmet in cali on my old gsxr 1000 and yes it was a very cool feeling but something seemed wrong. But I don't believe in telling a grown adult that you have to do that. Dave you must whip your ass after you take a crap lol.
you're gonna have to explain that one, went over my head.

but thats exactly it, whether you wear one or not isn't the case here. its your right to decide.

i understand things that can effect others. second hand smoke for one, but there are no bistanders here.
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[QUOTE=jpdocdave;343084]you're gonna have to explain that one, went over my head.

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I was being the government on you also trying to help out your wife in trying to do your laundry. She will thank me later for the less deer marks lol.
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no problem. although if i were to get a bike, i'd wear a helmet, i dont think it should be forced upon us...
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^yep, i don't need the government protecting me from myself. if they need to protect others from me, fine.

and there are downsides to helmets. they catch the wind and blow your head around like a sail, making balance dificult, and they eliminate all periferal vision, gigantor blind spots you have to turn you whole body to check.
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Dave I agree but the helmet I wore was a racing one so wind was not a factor for me but your skull caps I could see gettin blown around.
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you still had no periferal vision though.

don't get me wrong, helmet=safer.....just not the governments job to make me do it.
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I agree I had to basically drop a shoulder and turn. did I like doing that in traffic NO! so jack off can cut you off when trying to look over your shoulder to change lanes and you get the butt hole pucker when they merge on you!!
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I agree I had to basically drop a shoulder and turn. did I like doing that in traffic NO! so jack off can cut you off when trying to look over your shoulder to change lanes and you get the butt hole pucker when they merge on you!!
In Madison they have the famous Beltline
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If you leave more then a car length
between you and next car they will cut in and brake
if you happen to be looking to the rear with helmet
going 60-65
I love the people that put on turn signal and figure its their right
to turn no matter whos next to them
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My Dad, Mom, and I all ride. I grew up on bikes in a state that requires helmets, however I have been going to rallies in other states that don't require them since I was born. After I saw enough accidents I always wore one, just for me, my dad and his friends did not. Last August he was in an accident with another bike. After finding out that his head injury could have been deadly had he not had the helmet to save him, we now all wear them full time law or not.

It is a personal option that you say only hurts you. What about your family and friends if you die though or get seriously injured? The government isn't saying you can't where a skid lid, or anything like that, if you want your head free do that. Again it's personal opinion just like the style of bike you ride, the type of roads (twisties, straight, speed, stunt), or how reckless you go. Fight it and don't do that's all up to you, remember they aren't taking away your bike, it is easy NOT to get a ticket so don't say it is a way to make money. And if you know someone close to you who was in an accident that had a head injury, I garuntee you will change your mind
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I shall play devil's advocate since I love to do it.

Say a young man, oh 19, is riding. He chooses not to wear a helmet (this is in the fairy world where the gov'ment doesn't care). A moment of distraction and he's under a car. Bike laid down, road rash, broken bones, head injury. The bones heal, but the head injury leaves him disabled.

He's 19 and disabled. He will now draw $1567 a month for the rest of his life.

Now, place a helmet on his head. Moment of distraction, bike down, broken bones, but his melon stays intact. He spends some time in the hospital, heals up fine, and draws nothing.

I'm not saying a helmet is the end all to protection, but, maybe the government isn't looking to protect the riders so much as they're looking to protect the country's interests, ie the tax payers.
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I'm against helmet laws but do wear one myself and make my passengers wear one as well. I didn't wear one for a long time... at first I was trying to be cool and look like 'a Harley guy'. Then I got T-boned by a car and thankfully have 99% healed (stupid ankle still bothers me sometimes). After that, I began looking for a helmet but could never find one that was comfortable and continued to ride w/out a helmet. Then I found the NXT helmet, I wear it every time I ride and now feel uncomfortable without it. It's not government's job to mandate it, but I do encourage everyone with a family who may care about them to look into finding a helmet that you're comfortable wearing. One day your family may thank you for it. [/preaching]
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I'm against helmet laws but do wear one myself and make my passengers wear one as well. I didn't wear one for a long time... at first I was trying to be cool and look like 'a Harley guy'. Then I got T-boned by a car and thankfully have 99% healed (stupid ankle still bothers me sometimes). After that, I began looking for a helmet but could never find one that was comfortable and continued to ride w/out a helmet. Then I found the NXT helmet, I wear it every time I ride and now feel uncomfortable without it. It's not government's job to mandate it, but I do encourage everyone with a family who may care about them to look into finding a helmet that you're comfortable wearing. One day your family may thank you for it. [/preaching]

x2. That is my point exactly. Do I think it is stupid to NOT wear a helmet? Absolutely. I wouldn't ride without one, and I sure as heck wouldn't let a passenger ride without one, but it's not the governments job to tell us we should either.
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it just seems as though the government is protecting us from ourselves.
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I shall play devil's advocate since I love to do it.

Say a young man, oh 19, is riding. He chooses not to wear a helmet (this is in the fairy world where the gov'ment doesn't care). A moment of distraction and he's under a car. Bike laid down, road rash, broken bones, head injury. The bones heal, but the head injury leaves him disabled.

He's 19 and disabled. He will now draw $1567 a month for the rest of his life.

Now, place a helmet on his head. Moment of distraction, bike down, broken bones, but his melon stays intact. He spends some time in the hospital, heals up fine, and draws nothing.

I'm not saying a helmet is the end all to protection, but, maybe the government isn't looking to protect the riders so much as they're looking to protect the country's interests, ie the tax payers.
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good point, speaking of protecting the tax payers, maybe we should be discussing whether he should get 1500 tax payer dollars a month.
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good point, speaking of protecting the tax payers, maybe we should be discussing whether he should get 1500 tax payer dollars a month.
Why? The thread's about helmet laws. Had he been wearing one, my fictional 19 year old would not have drawn anything.
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