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Old 05-06-2010, 10:58 AM   #1
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I'm speechless

what is going on in our country? right on to these boys,

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The left leaning PC crowd wins another round. Were these my kids I’d have been there that day with a lawyer. The school admin in this case are cowardly scum.

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Right on, I just ran in here to post the same thing after getting so pissed off that I couldn't believe it. What a frigging OUTRAGE.
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i am by no means wealthy, we scrape by, but i put my son in a private school, this is unreal. yet my tax money pays for kids to go to public school, so the american flag can't be displayed on cinco de mayo???????

NO ONE WILL EVER TELL MY KIDS TO GO HOME FOR DISPLAYING OUR COUNTRY'S COLORS!!
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What kills me is that Wallmart (aka the china shop) sells American flags but there made in china. There should be laws against that, and I am not even that patriotic.
But still how bad have we gotten that we cant even make our own flags anymore. I live in Ohio were the big flag company still makes them I think. But good luck finding one in a chain store thats not made in china.
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Maybe the kids were sent home for having poor fashion sense, and shopping at Walmart?

I may be a left-leaner, but it is utterly ridiculous that these kids were sent home. We, the lefties, are usually championed by the ACLU who would absolutely love to get involved in a case like this.
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Well, I suppose it may have had something to do with the POLITICAL CORRECT crap, but

The American Flag code, DOESN'T ALLOW the use of the flag on a shirt/uniform/clothing-unless (full size patch)you're military/fireman/police-etc, but

NOT SCHOOL KIDS !!!

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they did not use a flag, they had the colors, or images of stars and stripes printed on the shirts. watch the video, the flag codes do not apply here.
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they did not use a flag, they had the colors, or images of stars and stripes printed on the shirts. watch the video, the flag codes do not apply here.
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If you listen to the complete story, after it was all said and done, the school was proven to be out of line and a decision was made that "the shirts stay"

I just wonder how they justified the hispanic costumes for the dancers, and you can bet your bottom dollar that there were Mexican flags flying that day. When I lived in California, on Cinco de Mayo they would go out cruising with their flags BIG ones out the back of trucks and car windows. It was an IN YOUR FACE display, but OH NO, we can't say anything, that would be discrimination!!


The libs are fawking this country up so fast that we're going to end up in a civil war over this sort of crap.
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Yea, I guess thats the whole reason I'm slowly migrating to Nevada, California has so much geographical beauty--and the political spectrum with (The Terminator) couldn't saveit--

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OMG. this is some crap. The School board had to be saying "Oh crap, what did that moron bring upon us".

Personally I'm offended that we as American's celebrate a MEXICAN holiday. Pretty sure we're not part of Mexico.

Hell I'm a Texan.(don't get offended, its a Texas thing....and our colors are still Red, white, and Blue.)
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The American Flag code, DOESN'T ALLOW the use of the flag on a shirt/uniform/clothing-unless (full size patch)you're military/fireman/police-etc,
That's what I was thinking.
The flag of the United States of America isn't something that should be on somebody's butt, feet, or t-shirt.

The kids all looked like bums. Good argument for uniforms.
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^ I am with ya here. Getting sent home no but making them change there shirts yes. Now if it was a flag patch then it is accepted.
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So it's now illegal to wear something tacky?

And someone please post this mysterious "flag code". I'd be interested in reading it.
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They looked as if they had no style, however bums are rarely dressed even that nicely (at least not around here.).

I don't care about their fashion sense (or lack of). I care more about this moron who sent them home. He should be fired for being a freaking idiot. And the fact that a school is making a big deal out of another nation's holiday. Makes you wonder if they make that big of a deal over July 4th. I doubt it, but prove me wrong.

It comes down to the fact that the school had no right to do what they did. The person who allowed this to occur should be reprimanded.
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So it's now illegal to wear something tacky?

And someone please post this mysterious "flag code". I'd be interested in reading it.
I know you only own tacky so you get a break.
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Look it up--American Flag Etticut (code)


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Read section 8 (d)

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The American Flag code, DOESN'T ALLOW the use of the flag on a shirt/uniform/clothing-unless (full size patch)you're military/fireman/police-etc, but

NOT SCHOOL KIDS !!!

Now rant and rave all you want, but thats the way it is ---

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§8. Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

1. The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
2. The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
3. The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
4. The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
5. The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
6. The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
7. The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
8. The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
9. The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
10. No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
11. The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning
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If they're so offended by the American flag then they are free to leave America at any time.
They can go to Mexico where most people don't celebrate a battle with the french in a war that Mexico eventually lost...A war over Mexico's attempt to skip out on money they owed to France.

This is America, it is never inappropriate to display our flag!!!
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bullet Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?
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Yes. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

Source: Flag Code, Section 3

Therefore, a flag includes any representation of it of any substance, with stars and stripes of any number. This would include T-shirts and ties.

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."
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Only in this country can one be persecuted for promoting our own flag.Don't dare say anything about any other countries flag presentation,that would be discrimination and subject to lawsuit.Some of the folks in this country make me want to puke.
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the united states flag code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the united states. It is section 1 of title 4 of the united states code (4 u.s.c. § 1 et seq). This is a u.s. Federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with it and it is not widely enforced — indeed, the u.s. Supreme court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the first amendment right to freedom of speech. (a flag desecration amendment has been proposed from time to time and, if ever passed into law, would override supreme court rulings on this matter.)
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^ Ohh I agree with you on the penatlies and such but to be honest they should of just taken off there shirts and flipped them inside out. Or better yet instead of wearing the tee shirt they should of brought a flag to school. Heck they could of even had a flag patch.
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I think hiding the flag would be far more disrespectful than wearing it but since they weren't punished for disobeying the flag code the argument isn't really relevant to this situation is it?
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I think hiding the flag would be far more disrespectful than wearing it but since they weren't punished for disobeying the flag code the argument isn't really relevant to this situation is it?
We need to be relevant now? When did this happen?

No, it's not relevant.

I would suspect - I didn't watch the video news clip - that they were not punished for having the flag, exactly, at all. They were punished for being "disruptive," right? The teacher thought that they were being seditious about his/her lesson plan centered on Mexico?

Schools have a tendency to overreact - the zero tolerance policy for weapons has resulted in some insane situations - but WE might be overreacting as well.

With absolutely no knowledge of this situation beyond an understanding of how high school boys act, it's very possible that they were being super bratty. If you disagree with the planned lesson or whatever, you don't necessarily get a right to fight.
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You might want to look into the story a bit more.

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Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees
Freedom of expression or cultural disrespect on Cinco de Mayo?
<h5 class="author">By GEORGE KIRIYAMA </h5> <h6 class="timestamp">Updated 6:13 AM PDT, Thu, May 6</h6>


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On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.

Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."


The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

Student Told Cinco de Mayo Is Not the Day for Patriotism

"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."

"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

As for an apology, the boys and their families say, "fat chance."

"I'm not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong," Galli said. "I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I'm an American and I'm proud to be an American."

The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district released a statement saying it does not agree with how Live Oak High School administrators handled this incident.

The boys will not be suspended and they were told they can go back to school Thursday. They may even wear their red, white, and blue colors again, but this time, the day after Cinco de Mayo, there will be no controversy.
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What a crock! .....Good news was it all worked out and the school district didn't back the school administrators..........funny no one had any problems with our olympic participants wearing the flag as a cape in Canada.

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