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Old 06-07-2012, 09:28 PM   #31
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:59 PM   #32
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The JK opened up jeeping to people who hesitated to buy a jeep as a primary vehicle. Aside from the dedicated offroading crowd, a Wrangler wasn't very practical as a commuter vehicle, let alone transporting more than 2 persons in reasonable comfort, so it was deemed the fun vehicle that you threw the top down and brought out on the weekend, if you could afford a 2nd vehicle.
CJs and TJs are tough barebones offroad machines. I believe the owners of prior models feel the JK has taken the sacrifice and hardcore offroad persona away from the Wrangler by designing a Jeep with room and creature comforts that appeal to soccer moms, guys wearing suits and the everyday schmo that never plans to roll it off the pavement.
It's popularity has made the small Wrangler community into Wrangler Nation, some resent that.
Personally, I love my JK. I like the looks, the more fluid lines. I can drive it comfortably on the highway and do some respectable wheeling offroad. There are some TJ owners who just need to deal with it and move into the 21st century. Can't wait to see what they have to say when the next model upgrade hits the showroom floors in the next 2-3 years.

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The JK opened up jeeping to people who hesitated to buy a jeep as a primary vehicle. Aside from the dedicated offroading crowd, a Wrangler wasn't very practical as a commuter vehicle, let alone transporting more than 2 persons in reasonable comfort, so it was deemed the fun vehicle that you threw the top down and brought out on the weekend, if you could afford a 2nd vehicle.
CJs and TJs are tough barebones offroad machines. I believe the owners of prior models feel the JK has taken the sacrifice and hardcore offroad persona away from the Wrangler by designing a Jeep with room and creature comforts that appeal to soccer moms, guys wearing suits and the everyday schmo that never plans to roll it off the pavement.
It's popularity has made the small Wrangler community into Wrangler Nation, some resent that.
Personally, I love my JK. I like the looks, the more fluid lines. I can drive it comfortably on the highway and do some respectable wheeling offroad. There are some TJ owners just need to deal with it and move into the 21st century. Can't wait to see what they have to say when the next model upgrade hits the showroom floors in the next 2-3 years.
Is that when the JK will be acceptable? When something NEWER rolls out?
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Is that when the JK will be acceptable? When something NEWER rolls out?
Nope! Didn't say anybody has to accept the JK, but it's here and a part of the Wrangler heritage just as the future model will be, so why berate it.
There would be a linching if I went on TJ forum and claimed the TJ was the worst model years ever built. That would be just as stupid as the closed minded opinion that started this thread.
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I believe the owners of prior models feel the JK has taken the sacrifice and hardcore offroad persona away from the Wrangler by designing a Jeep with room and creature comforts that appeal to soccer moms, guys wearing suits and the everyday schmo that never plans to roll it off the pavement.
So your saying its filled some phantom part of the market not filled by H3s and mini-vans?

And that, in itself, is why people question the "wrangler-ness" of the JK
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How could anybody hate on jeep if they drive a jeep? Lol we have to stick together so we can pull hummers and toyotas out of the mud. Because we're good sports like that
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So your saying its filled some phantom part of the market not filled by H3s and mini-vans?

And that, in itself, is why people question the "wrangler-ness" of the JK


As much as I hate that we have to continue having this stupid discussion, I'm going to jump in here and say yes, it has filled a "phantom part of the market."

I wanted a Jeep for my entire adult life, and at 40 I was finally able to get one. I didn't have the luxury of having the weekday car/weekend Jeep, so my Jeep had to be my daily driver and fit the rest of my life and interests. I have kids and dogs, and they won't all fit into four seats if I expect to take anything additional to the beach. I get it muddy over the weekend, and I'm proud of every scratch I've put into the paint. It's clean during the week because I take care of it when I'm done playing. I can't afford not to put it back in great condition if I expect it to last through work and play. Don't assume that because someone is wearing a suit or two-inch heels, or because the vehicle is shiny, or because kids with lacrosse sticks come rolling out of it, that it isn't an absolute mess on the weekends, being used the way a Jeep was intended to be used.

As for an H3 or mini-van, you couldn't pay me enough money to drive either one of those. My stepson has an H3, with 35"s and a lift kit, all kinds of crap, but he won't take it off the road because he might scratch the paint. Poser. He keeps telling me his can do everything my JKU can, and I said no, because he won't do it, and that's the difference for us. If I didn't want to get off the road, maybe that's what I'd have gone for.

My point is that one shouldn't make assumptions when it comes to why some people drive JKs or JKUs. I'm sure there are some who just like the way it looks, but don't make that assumption. You'd be surprised at who might be doing crazy things on the weekends. Someone might kick your ass in the mud on Saturday, and then bill you for it Monday morning.

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"As for an H3 or mini-van, you couldn't pay me enough money to drive either one of those."


I understand not wanting to drive an H3.. but don't hate on the mini-van.. I Just recently sold my caravan.. it was such a comfortable ride on vacations ... but one had to go and it wasn't gonna be my jku..nonono...
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"As for an H3 or mini-van, you couldn't pay me enough money to drive either one of those."

I understand not wanting to drive an H3.. but don't hate on the mini-van.. I Just recently sold my caravan.. it was such a comfortable ride on vacations ... but one had to go and it wasn't gonna be my jku..nonono...
No, not hating on the mini-van. They are very comfortable and extremely practical. It was just never my type of vehicle because it never fit my lifestyle. We drive out on the beach frequently, and mini-vans tend to get stuck in the sand... I wouldn't buy a BMW, either. It just isn't "me". I had a Sequoia before the Jeep, and it was perfect for the seven years I had it.
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My daughter killed my mini-van, and my first car 27 years ago was a K-car station wagon, I don't hate on any Jeep, and there are a lot of lifted XJs that can out wheel me, literary thousands of them, that doesn't make them not an SUV or in earlier parlance an estate or station wagon, I certainly don't hate them for any reason, I don't hate JKs, the 2 door looks awesome when lifted and built, but they are no TJ, ans my TJ is no CJ, and a CJ is no MJ, there's just no way around that.

Again, just my own personal opinion, I'm not trying to convert or convince, just relating my opinion.
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I used to have my YJ for about 9 years & I love it...the only thing that I hated on it was those damn square headlights, as soon as the "New" TJ's rolled out I was in love because they went back to the traditional round headlights...Jeep finally did correct it from the YJ in the cosmetic department but I never got around to buy one, I was looking for one the last 2 months when I came upon my current JK...when I seen it i fell in love with it right away, I know it's more square looking compared to the TJ but the technology, handling, ride experience is far superior from it's earlier siblings!

I love the JK's and they look damn mean when done up...like a big brute monster!
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Well to be a typical TJ owner here I didn't like the JK(U) when they first came out I actually hated the 4 door at least. It was my belief at the time and to a point still is that a wrangler should have only 2 doors BUT I can see how the 4 doors fits into people's everyday life better, I still am not a big fan of the stock JK(U) (especially now that it is summer and they all still have doors and tops on) but every time I see a built up JK or even JKU (JKU is more commonly built thank JK in my town at least) I kinda fall in love with them. They are the only jeep that I think can pull off the cargo net around the back, and they look mean with 35s and an ARB bumper. Just my opinion though can't hate a jeeper especially if it's a wranglerer
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So your saying its filled some phantom part of the market not filled by H3s and mini-vans?

And that, in itself, is why people question the "wrangler-ness" of the JK
O_M, I don"t think you'd call it "phantom part of the market". I've had a lot of people say to me that they've always wanted a jeep, but because of the impracticallity of the the 2dr Wrangler it wasn't an option as a primary vehicle. IMO all the JK(U) did was open the market to those people who had sat on the sidelines in the past and is now a viable option to haul the kids to school during the week and pack up a tent and head off on the trails to camp on the weekend. I do believe that demographics was always there, Chrysler finally had the smarts to tap into that market and as you can see has exploded the popularity of the JK and JKU. I will admit that will probably develope into that phantom market as you described above as some will choose a more "manly" JKU over the a mini van.
But in JKU's defense, the offroadability is only limited by the owners ambition and pocketbook.
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I accept the jk as the future and what people with family's want but I don't care for it , a jeep shouldn't have buttons on steering wheels and u shouldn't have such a hard time getting a hard top and half doors. Like I did when I looked into a jk. I was at the beach other day and I heard this kid ask his dad why can't our jeep do that and his dad ask what do u mean, the kid was about 8 and he said he has no top on , he just looked at the kid and don't worry I thought it was kind of funny
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That was the dad's fault, not the Jeep's.
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There is a kid here in town (I say "kid" - he's like 24 or so). He pulled up next to me at the light in his new JK with the paper dealer plates still on. I was sitting with no doors and no top. He looked at me and said "damn man, now that I see how it looks I should have bought the model that the top and doors come off". WTF!!??? I just said "yeah, it's a lot more fun to have the convertible JK". Poor kid, hope he finds out that his will do what every other one can.
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I will never want to own a jk... Unless they put a hemi in them.
Thats why jks have there own forums like jkfreaks, jkowners, and project jk.
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O_M, I don"t think you'd call it "phantom part of the market". I've had a lot of people say to me that they've always wanted a jeep, but because of the impracticallity of the the 2dr Wrangler it wasn't an option as a primary vehicle. IMO all the JK(U) did was open the market to those people who had sat on the sidelines in the past and is now a viable option to haul the kids to school during the week and pack up a tent and head off on the trails to camp on the weekend. I do believe that demographics was always there, Chrysler finally had the smarts to tap into that market and as you can see has exploded the popularity of the JK and JKU. I will admit that will probably develope into that phantom market as you described above as some will choose a more "manly" JKU over the a mini van.
But in JKU's defense, the offroadability is only limited by the owners ambition and pocketbook.
All I meant by Phantom market was the market was already well covered, I'm sorry, but the impracticality is the price you pay for having a Wrangler, if you want a school-run car buy a Grand Cherokee, Harley doesnt make training wheels, roll cages and side cars so everyone can have one without the inconveinience, a wrangler is a purpose built vehicle, when you gentrify that vehicle so hockey moms can pretend they are in a rugged off-roader and still have all the comforts of their escalade then you have done a diservice to the history of the purpose of the wrangler.

A wrangler should be 2 doors, short wheelbase, maneuverable, it should be rugged, tough, stiff, it should handle like a Jeep, you should be aware your in a Jeep whenever your driving it. Harley doesnt design thier motorcycles for people who "always wanted one but didnt want the impracticality" Jeep is just as much a purpose built vehicle and expecting it to fill the role of every car in your life isnt fair to yourself or your Jeep.
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All I meant by Phantom market was the market was already well covered, I'm sorry, but the impracticality is the price you pay for having a Wrangler, if you want a school-run car buy a Grand Cherokee, Harley doesnt make training wheels, roll cages and side cars so everyone can have one without the inconveinience, a wrangler is a purpose built vehicle, when you gentrify that vehicle so hockey moms can pretend they are in a rugged off-roader and still have all the comforts of their escalade then you have done a diservice to the history of the purpose of the wrangler.

A wrangler should be 2 doors, short wheelbase, maneuverable, it should be rugged, tough, stiff, it should handle like a Jeep, you should be aware your in a Jeep whenever your driving it. Harley doesnt design thier motorcycles for people who "always wanted one but didnt want the impracticality" Jeep is just as much a purpose built vehicle and expecting it to fill the role of every car in your life isnt fair to yourself or your Jeep.
Then you're really going to hate the new 2015 Wrangler model HK (Hover Kraft) Standard 6 door with optional foot massage and drivers side butt scratcher.
Just messin' with ya O_M!
I see your point. But no automobile manufacturer is going to tolorate a stagnent market on any one model vehicle. It's either going to be discontinued or or changed to appeal to a broader range of buyers. It's simple economics. Look at the Camaro, Charger and Mustang. I'm sure the folks who owned the classic years of these cars lothe the newer models.
I understand the mindset of the fundamentalist Jeepers, but change is inevitable, nobody has to like it but I think that it's poor ediquete to go onto a forum and start a thread proclaiming that all JKs are crap.
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I completely agree, and I really like a lot of built JKs, the point I was making and I thought the point if the thread was that they are more Cherokee than wrangler
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Hey O_M....you're Ok for a TJ guy!
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I've driven a jku an 08 and a 12 with the new engine, and a 09 jk 2 door.
I liked them all very much and would love to own one but for now I've got my 02 tj, still wave at all the jk's and talk to the owners.
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I need to start a new thread "YJ's ruined Jeep cuz they made em with square headlights". Now that would be a real argument.
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I need to start a new thread "YJ's ruined Jeep cuz they made em with square headlights". Now that would be a real argument.
My Jeep ruined Jeeps lol
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Hahahaha. If i ever bought another Jeep....and i AM looking.....I'd by a YJ, the "other" ruined Jeep.
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I need to start a new thread "YJ's ruined Jeep cuz they made em with square headlights". Now that would be a real argument.
lol! square headlights.......now that's an abomination.
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I had no idea people thought (think) the yj ruined jeeps (or at least seriously deviated from the "right" path), i've always had a fondness for those jeeps. Come to think of it, i spose i have a fondness for each model, they all have their own special charm.

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