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Old 11-07-2012, 12:22 AM   #31741
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Cool. Gun control won't be an issue next four years though. Fear mongering.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:23 AM   #31742
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Truth is, until we stop letting the Senators and Congressmen continue to stay in office for years upon years, things will never change
This. Term limits must be enacted.
The president has very little actual power. Senate and House are the ones who control everything. People get caught up in rhetoric to think otherwise.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:27 AM   #31743
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This. Term limits must be enacted.
The president has very little actual power. Senate and House are the ones who control everything. People get caught up in rhetoric to think otherwise.

That and people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I hate the fact I have to pay for someone to have a litter full of bastard children running around because they know the "gubment" will pay for it
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That and people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I hate the fact I have to pay for someone to have a litter full of bastard children running around because they know the "gubment" will pay for it
That is the #1 biggest problem in our society today , lack of accountability!!!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:33 AM   #31754
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:33 AM   #31755
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That and people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
I hate the fact I have to pay for someone to have a litter full of bastard children running around because they know the "gubment" will pay for it
That's certainly an aspect, though I wonder what percentage of spending actually goes towards that.
I'd prefer instead of giving money in terms of anything welfare based we gave jobs and education. Some people are truly dealt a bad hand and/or make bad decisions that cost them. Instead of punishing or ostracizing lets give a low skill job that provides a base level income and provide general education on balancing a check book, understanding credit, etc. A legit 2nd chance instead of a hand out. If they screw that up then let them fall by the wayside. Not everyone can be saved. But they lose opportunity for help after that.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:37 AM   #31756
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That's certainly an aspect, though I wonder what percentage of spending actually goes towards that.
I'd prefer instead of giving money in terms of anything welfare based we gave jobs and education. Some people are truly dealt a bad hand and/or make bad decisions that cost them. Instead of punishing or ostracizing lets give a low skill job that provides a base level income and provide general education on balancing a check book, understanding credit, etc. A legit 2nd chance instead of a hand out. If they screw that up then let them fall by the wayside. Not everyone can be saved. But they lose opportunity for help after that.
I absolutely 100% concur with this!
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:39 AM   #31757
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Multiple radio mount.. . And gun / radio box for the rear.
Ooooh... Interesting.
I'll let you know when I start getting good... Or finish my first project and it doesn't fall apart on me.

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I hate the fact I have to pay for someone to have a litter full of bastard children running around because they know the "gubment" will pay for it
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That's certainly an aspect, though I wonder what percentage of spending actually goes towards that.
I'd prefer instead of giving money in terms of anything welfare based we gave jobs and education. Some people are truly dealt a bad hand and/or make bad decisions that cost them. Instead of punishing or ostracizing lets give a low skill job that provides a base level income and provide general education on balancing a check book, understanding credit, etc. A legit 2nd chance instead of a hand out. If they screw that up then let them fall by the wayside. Not everyone can be saved. But they lose opportunity for help after that.
Why have a base level income when you can sit in gov. Housing for free and make more money than working?
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That's certainly an aspect, though I wonder what percentage of spending actually goes towards that.
I'd prefer instead of giving money in terms of anything welfare based we gave jobs and education. Some people are truly dealt a bad hand and/or make bad decisions that cost them. Instead of punishing or ostracizing lets give a low skill job that provides a base level income and provide general education on balancing a check book, understanding credit, etc. A legit 2nd chance instead of a hand out. If they screw that up then let them fall by the wayside. Not everyone can be saved. But they lose opportunity for help after that.

I don't mind helping those that need it(and are trying to help themselves), but I can tell you from the people I see in this ER, there are too many people sucking the system dry b/c it's easier than working for it. They would rather come to the ER for a cold rather than go to their regular Dr b/c we do charge the normal $10 copay for medicad. I see entirely too many people on disability for bullshit.
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That's certainly an aspect, though I wonder what percentage of spending actually goes towards that.
I'd prefer instead of giving money in terms of anything welfare based we gave jobs and education. Some people are truly dealt a bad hand and/or make bad decisions that cost them. Instead of punishing or ostracizing lets give a low skill job that provides a base level income and provide general education on balancing a check book, understanding credit, etc. A legit 2nd chance instead of a hand out. If they screw that up then let them fall by the wayside. Not everyone can be saved. But they lose opportunity for help after that.
Wise words....
(Now we would just have to incetivise it so that people will actually be willing to work for something they could get for doing nothing...)
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Why have a base level income when you can sit in gov. Housing for free and make more money than working?

Then sit and bitch b/c the housing isn't nice enough.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:45 AM   #31762
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I absolutely 100% concur with this!
It's called Libertarian. Check it out and be apart of the 5% (hopefully by 2016 it'll be 15%). Specifically check out Gary Johnson. His site gives several big topics and his stance. Odds are you won't consider yourself a Republican (or whatever you consider yourself) anymore. Maybe you will, but learning the other options won't hurt. He is the model for what we can be.

If you are the angry and aggressive republican type check out a podcast that airs multiple times a week called Adam v The Man by Adam Kokesh.
If you're more the intellectual republican type check out the podcast the Lew Rockwell show.
Neither are pure Libertarian but they're close and still make great points, albeit in diff ways.
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i don't mind helping those that need it(and are trying to help themselves), but i can tell you from the people i see in this er, there are too many people sucking the system dry b/c it's easier than working for it. They would rather come to the er for a cold rather than go to their regular dr b/c we do charge the normal $10 copay for medicad. I see entirely too many people on disability for bullshit.
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I don't mind helping those that need it(and are trying to help themselves), but I can tell you from the people I see in this ER, there are too many people sucking the system dry b/c it's easier than working for it. They would rather come to the ER for a cold rather than go to their regular Dr b/c we do charge the normal $10 copay for medicad. I see entirely too many people on disability for bullshit.
Yes. They take advantage of a system that's available. Only logical. Remove the system, replace with how it was intended (my other post) and they'll have to adapt or fall off.
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I'll let you know when I start getting good... Or finish my first project and it doesn't fall apart on me.

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Wise words....
(Now we would just have to incetivise it so that people will actually be willing to work for something they could get for doing nothing...)
Can't blame someone for milking a system that they didn't create. It works on higher end to with certain tax loopholes for very rich.
Remove the system, can't merely give the option between the two or will never work.
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Workless welfare... That's new. How's that logical? Doesn't that put up a sign for druggie, baby shooting moochers?
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Why is it always...we need to give ..give ...give...how about get off your butt and work....i will always help people that need help...also...why are veterans living on the street?
If you want to give stuff away, why not give it to the people who fight for it......
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If he actually does that. I'm thinking a civil war would break out.
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It won't happen. It's pure fear mongering.
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It really makes me want to go and buy as many guns as I can afford
CNN already spoke on a possible civil war tonight
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CNN already spoke on a possible civil war tonight
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