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Old 11-08-2012, 10:08 PM   #31
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Alcohol is a drug.

Way more addictive than marijuana.

Seems hypocritical to have one be legal and not the other, no?

If marijuana is a gateway drug, then so is booze.
You are half right. Alcohol is processed to have an inibriating effect. Weed is not. Only one of them is a drug.

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Poppies grow, lets make morphine OTC and legalize heroine? Its natural.
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I'm with you on this. Where does it all end? It'll be that many more people killed on the highway......some of them our families.
OF course it will probably pass since Barry does it.

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You know guys if you want to turn this "superpower" into a bunch of dumb degenerative shmos so be it. I would have alcohol and cigs illegal too if i could but since we are in the mood of if it feels good make it legal so be it. Next time im out in the public speaking my native tongue don't be the guy that comes up and with a angry voice asks me to speak "american". I don't know if you guys have kids or not but you are doing real good setting them up for adult hood. Peace out bro! *puffing on a joint*
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All I can say is that 15 years ago during my "days with the Haze" I would have said to legalize it. But only because I didnt want to get busted for posession. Now that Im older, a bit wiser, and no longer a user, Im going to have to say... legalize it, if only for the increased revenue and tourism (read more revenue). Were not talking about making all drugs legal. And best believe that its going to be heavily regulated.

Heres a quote from CNN that Im basing my opinion off of:
"The Washington referendum calls for a 25% tax rate imposed on the product three times: when the grower sells it to the processor, when the processor sells it to the retailer, and when the retailer sells it to the customer.
It's not clear exactly how much tax revenue legalization would bring in. Estimates for the Washington measure run as high as $500 million -- a figure analysts say is overstated."
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So what if everyone does it its ok to legalize it? What if i go around and shooting pedophiles and rapists like a vigalante? Why not legalize that i mean those people did wrong and im punishing them and doing right. Lets bring back chinese opium dens they are all stoned and don't make a ruckase. It was illegal for a reason so it should stay illegal. As for prison over crowding and feeding them.for.free i do understand that. I think that they should be penalized much more heavily for drug related offenses.
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"It was illegal for a reason"

Ah, yes.. But why?

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All I can say is that 15 years ago during my "days with the Haze" I would have said to legalize it. But only because I didnt want to get busted for posession. Now that Im older, a bit wiser, and no longer a user, Im going to have to say... legalize it, if only for the increased revenue and tourism (read more revenue). Were not talking about making all drugs legal. And best believe that its going to be heavily regulated.

Heres a quote from CNN that Im basing my opinion off of:
"The Washington referendum calls for a 25% tax rate imposed on the product three times: when the grower sells it to the processor, when the processor sells it to the retailer, and when the retailer sells it to the customer.
It's not clear exactly how much tax revenue legalization would bring in. Estimates for the Washington measure run as high as $500 million -- a figure analysts say is overstated."
Thats whats wrong with this country the only thing that matters is how much money we can make from it we don't care about the health effects it has and the amount of money it will cost to treat people from prolonged use.
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The way I see it,legal or illegal, it's going to be a problem. I've read the "there's millions in revenue" and also "it's going to destroy our country" and honestly I feel that as long as its regulated it might work, but lets face it, all the damn cartels coming from south of the border aren't going to be ok with paying taxes to sell their drug, they're just going to keep using violence to get their money. If most of the tax alone from this plan to legalize weed goes to our border patrol(and this is coming from a Spanish male) I'm more than ok, but until then ill keep voting against it here in California, and I will keep not using or relating to people who use it, I'm 21 years old and proud to say that I've never used any type of illegal drug, and proud to say that my younger siblings follow my example.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:07 PM   #38
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I support it. Honestly, if it were legal here, I'd try it but would never wanna become a fiend over it like a couple of people I know. Something about it just seems scummy or dirty to me. Maybe because it's illegal.
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I voted yes for it in Colorado. I have never used marijuana, don't do drugs or drink alcohol. I voted yes because of the revenue potential, it's huge.

I'm an engineering student at CU Boulder. For the most part kids in engineering are tame, except after midterms. I'd rather have my residence hall full of laid back stoned kids then loud as hell drunk idiots.
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My 15-y-o attempted to talk his pediatrician into prescribing medicinal cannabis for his glaucoma She ran with it and asked him when he was having his second surgery to correct it. He brought up the legalization in CO and WA, because that made more of an impression on some high schoolers than who won the election. Illegal and intoxicating aside, smoking pot just isn't a healthy way of living.
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Ridiculous...It's a drug. No reason to legalize it. Plus, just because it's legalized doesn't mean the drug dealers will start following the law. Our country is falling apart.
False it's a plant the definition of a drug is a chemically induced substance.
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Something about it just seems scummy or dirty to me. Maybe because it's illegal.
Yeah, I think it's a scummy, low-class thing too (legal or not) and I don't like to be around people who smoke weed. But I don't believe it should be illegal just because I don't personally choose to do it...which is apparently a foreign concept to many.
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I voted yes for Mary Jane, no I don't smoke weed, never have never will. I just feel that instead some stoner paying a gang and funding them with guns, they should pay the state to fund our schools.

But I do find The stupidity of some locals amazing. When your fb newsfeed is full of 16 year olds cheering about smoking weed... 1st: you have to be 21. 2nd: If a federal cop or dea agent catches you, your still screwed. 3rd: by the time the state has all the tape cut, it will prolly be illegal again.
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So what if everyone does it its ok to legalize it? What if i go around and shooting pedophiles and rapists like a vigalante? Why not legalize that i mean those people did wrong and im punishing them and doing right. Lets bring back chinese opium dens they are all stoned and don't make a ruckase. It was illegal for a reason so it should stay illegal. As for prison over crowding and feeding them.for.free i do understand that. I think that they should be penalized much more heavily for drug related offenses.
actually, i believe it was illegal when Nixon had his whole "war on drugs". but it wasnt always illegal, in fact back in the day it was mandatory for farmers to grow hemp. It was a cash crop. and go for it man. you can be a kind of "dark knight" if you will. taking out all those evil people will be doing the world a favor.
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To honestly say booze is safer then weed just because its "legal" is immature and down right retarded. How many people die of alcohol poisoning and drunk driving evry year? Or cigarettes? How many people die of overdosing on pot? None. Its physically impossible to overdose on pot. Believe me, iv tried! Ever hear of a guy smoking a J and raping a girl?? happens a lot with drunk guys. Its not a "gateway" drug either, Iv been smoking pot for years and have nvr touched another drug. Make it legal, tax it, regulate it and stop fearing this plant people in the 30's believed to be "the devils plant".
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It's a gateway drug. Just because you didn't walk through the gate doesn't mean others didn't. Ritalin and Adderall are, too. If it seems harmless but can be abused and have the potential for someone to up the ante in drug use, it's a gateway drug.
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I agree that it can be a gateway drug, but so is alcohol and tobacco. So why are these legal and pot isnt? I have seen all 3 ruin lives due to abuse. I was busted for posession of MJ, it ruined my chances of getting a job I really wanted cause of the criminal conviction it carried. MJ has a less mind altering effect than alcohol, less mood altering effect than alcohol, and produces a generally calming effect. But posessing it still carries heavier penalties than being publically intoxicated to the point where you cant even stand up straight.
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MJ has a less mind altering effect than alcohol, less mood altering effect than alcohol, and produces a generally calming effect.
That must be why I was upset when I thought I was in Kansas instead of Ohio, and pissed because someone ate the last of my Oreos. Too many things can go wrong with pot.
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Just got voted here medically.Ohh my god i'm so scared,paranoid!!Just imagine texting and stoned passing in a construction zone in the high speed lane drinking coffee.Putting your kid on the school bus smoking a fattey to start your day.It will get abused just like alcohol,caffeine,red bull,pain medication.To much of anything is no good except sex.People against it ether can't handle it,or read it's bad shit,gateway.Bull shit.Try it you might like it.I think the revenue will bailout democratic spending.Put more people to work.Rebuild bridges before they collapse.SMOKEM IF YOU GOTTEM!
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Aaaah...a little ignorance to go with my morning coffee... Good thing no one laced it with PCP. Or did they...?
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I'm willing to bet money those in here against legalization are the same folks who voted Romney so we don't "end up like Soviet Russia". Whats next, outlawing caffine? Nicotone? Grass that is blue? Purple tomatoes? Gasoline? Trans fats? Natural sugars?

If you don't want to be in a free society - if you think the fed govt has the right to regulate unprocessed plants - please leave. My family fought for hundreds of years to keep this land free, and they sure as hell didnt do it so you could come along and say what others can and cant do.

In the 1700s Virginia was the #1 producer of hemp globally. Kentucky was #2, and the Carolinas were top 5. Cash crop. And hemp doesnt grow the bud that weed does. It is illegal at he request of DuPont, for their Nylon patents back in the 30s.

See, if we had education reform, ya'll would know all this...
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Aaaah...a little ignorance to go with my morning coffee... Good thing no one laced it with PCP. Or did they...?
Uh, thats a great arguement for legalization. Than you can trace it, tax it, and regulate it.

Moonshine causes blindness, so we REGULATE the producers of it and call it whiskey. A little ignorance with coffee; at least no one came along to take your coffee because you are not smart enough to know you shouldnt have it.
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The wise men who founded our nation used it, it's a documented fact. I used to smoke in my younger days but choose to no longer partake. The untold number of people in jail for weed is ludicrious. I would be willing to bet most of those are productive members of society. My x worked in the prison system as a nurse according to her 1/3 were there due to MJ posession. A man from Hawii was sentenced to 3 years for a joint. Is this the best use of our time and recources.

ok after researching that 1/3 figure is wayyyyy high more like 1 in 8

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Uh, thats a great arguement for legalization. Than you can trace it, tax it, and regulate it.

Moonshine causes blindness, so we REGULATE the producers of it and call it whiskey. A little ignorance with coffee; at least no one came along to take your coffee because you are not smart enough to know you shouldnt have it.
And we're positive that no one still makes moonshine in their kitchen? I suppose they call the government to make sure they did it the right way. All I'm saying is that with some things, too much can go wrong. In a perfect world it would be great, but it isn't a perfect world.
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I'm with you on this. Where does it all end? It'll be that many more people killed on the highway......some of them our families.
OF course it will probably pass since Barry does it.
Idiotic Statement...You do know that Obama has been the toughest president on drugs since Nixon right? He currently has a Dispensery owner from a state where Medical Marijuana is legal arrested and facing 10 years-life in prison because he sold weed legally in his state...Soo again I say..Idiotic Statement

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You know guys if you want to turn this "superpower" into a bunch of dumb degenerative shmos so be it. I would have alcohol and cigs illegal too if i could but since we are in the mood of if it feels good make it legal so be it. Next time im out in the public speaking my native tongue don't be the guy that comes up and with a angry voice asks me to speak "american". I don't know if you guys have kids or not but you are doing real good setting them up for adult hood. Peace out bro! *puffing on a joint*
This is a conversation/debate, leave personal attacks out of it, that there is showing a good example for your kids sir.

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Thats whats wrong with this country the only thing that matters is how much money we can make from it we don't care about the health effects it has and the amount of money it will cost to treat people from prolonged use.
There have been studies, and no bad health effects have been found...that is why we use it as medicine....



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I'm willing to bet money those in here against legalization are the same folks who voted Romney so we don't "end up like Soviet Russia". Whats next, outlawing caffine? Nicotone? Grass that is blue? Purple tomatoes? Gasoline? Trans fats? Natural sugars?

If you don't want to be in a free society - if you think the fed govt has the right to regulate unprocessed plants - please leave. My family fought for hundreds of years to keep this land free, and they sure as hell didnt do it so you could come along and say what others can and cant do.

In the 1700s Virginia was the #1 producer of hemp globally. Kentucky was #2, and the Carolinas were top 5. Cash crop. And hemp doesnt grow the bud that weed does. It is illegal at he request of DuPont, for their Nylon patents back in the 30s.

See, if we had education reform, ya'll would know all this...
#1 I voted Romney (Not to keep us from ending up like Russia) but for other reasons, and I support legalization, and I do not smoke Weed.
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And we're positive that no one still makes moonshine in their kitchen? I suppose they call the government to make sure they did it the right way. All I'm saying is that with some things, too much can go wrong. In a perfect world it would be great, but it isn't a perfect world.
I honestly would rather have it legalized and somewhat regulated. If people want to do it, it will be done. We proved that in the prohibition days with speak easys. We prove it today, by having the DEA because people want to do drugs, even though they are illegal, so they do them. I am not saying legalize your hard drugs (PCP, Cocaine, Meth, etc) But why are we sending people away because they wanted to mellow out and smoke a joint? 33K a year for 3 years because someone smoked a joint is ridiculous
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The wise men who founded our nation used it, it's a documented fact......
Where did you hear this? Washington and Jefferson grew hemp, but it was as a cash crop, not for recreational use.

I've never heard that any "used" it. Do you have a reliable source?


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For the same reason that you can buy some drugs over the counter and others that do the same thing, but are much more powerful, require a doctor's prescription. It's a matter of degree. There are very few things in life that are black and white. The argument of "Well, why not legalize EVERY ILLEGAL DRUG?" makes about as much sense as those who are against same-sex marriage saying "Well, why don't we just let people marry their TOASTER?". If someone can't see the distinction between marijuana and heroin (or between a consenting adult and an inanimate object) then there's just nothing I can say.
Logically speaking, are these differences by degree, or kind? The "marry the toaster" analogy is pretty absurd, but not so much regarding polygyny (or polygamy), etc. The next hurdles are age of consent (hello, NAMBLA!) and other niceties. If you don't believe me, just google "delphinic zoosexuality".

As a former recreational drug user, I'm not sure how this plays out with federal drug laws, but I guess if people in WA or CO want it, okay. Just not in my state, please.
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Um, it's a plant. The federal govt has no right to restrict the use, unless requested by a majority of states for just cause. The state does.

Hemp alone would save the US economy, and send a shot to Chinese and Indian cotton and textile industries.

Isn't this a free country?

I would rather have weed legal and alcohol illegal. Drunk men have pointed guns at me. Stoned people get freaked when I show em one.

Cocaine, opium, crack, meth, herion, lsd, and most other drugs, including all pharmacuticals, are processed from organic and nonorganic componants to create a drug. Weed grows. No difference, huh?
You are assuming the vast majority are responsible people. Look around.
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People are going to smoke weed weather its legal or not. Decriminalizing it would avoid a lot of good folks who just happen to like to smoke to be thrown in a cage like some kind of violent criminal. Making marijuana easy to acquire also takes all the power out of the drug dealers and the cartels because there will be no demand for their products.

It's funny to me when I hear conservatives talking about wanting small government, yet they want gov't to control what we as humans can consume. What's next? Controlling how much calories we can consume? Bring back the anger, I wanna live free, Don't tread on me!

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