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Old 10-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #1
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Let's Talk AKs...

So last time I went to the range I was able to shoot an AK-47 variant for the first time, and I think I fell in love. I have no idea what kind it was, but it had a smooth action and I was able to hit stuff consistently downrange. Long story short, I want one. The thing is, I have no idea where to look, or what to look for. Ideally I'd want to spend ~$600 or less, and get one chambered for a 7.62x39. Any suggestions on where to begin?

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Old 10-24-2012, 06:46 PM   #2
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Bought my AK at a pawn shop. It was new in the box with bayonet,sling, and cleaning kit. I love it shoots well and never had one problem, even with cheap steal ammo

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So last time I went to the range I was able to shoot an AK-47 variant for the first time, and I think I fell in love. I have no idea what kind it was, but it had a smooth action and I was able to hit stuff consistently downrange. Long story short, I want one. The thing is, I have no idea where to look, or what to look for. Ideally I'd want to spend ~$600 or less, and get one chambered for a 7.62x39. Any suggestions on where to begin?
You need to shoot a few more firearms.


Okay...Sorry about that. Smooth action aside the AK is a fine firearm. Russian, Chinese and Romainian are the most popular. Romainian AK's are the least expensive and can easily be found for less than $600. I would start your search on Gunbroker.com. That will give you the most information to start your search. Don't be fooled by guys tossing in six extra mags. Mags are cheap and plentiful. Most of the really cheap ones are also junk.


To help with the smooth thingy. Go to a good gunshop and ask if they have a Les Baer Custom 1911. Ask very nicely if you can run the action. This will redefine smooth for you.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:20 PM   #4
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You need to shoot a few more firearms.

Okay...Sorry about that. Smooth action aside the AK is a fine firearm. Russian, Chinese and Romainian are the most popular. Romainian AK's are the least expensive and can easily be found for less than $600. I would start your search on Gunbroker.com. That will give you the most information to start your search. Don't be fooled by guys tossing in six extra mags. Mags are cheap and plentiful. Most of the really cheap ones are also junk.

To help with the smooth thingy. Go to a good gunshop and ask if they have a Les Baer Custom 1911. Ask very nicely if you can run the action. This will redefine smooth for you.
let me rephrase, it seemed smooth for an AK which I expected to be pretty darn rough. The Sig Sauer 9mm I tried was butter compared to it of course.

Do you have any specific models I should take a peek at? I saw an American made AK from a company called M&M that seemed affordable (plus it looked cool :hide) but I can't find anything about it online. I'll check out gunbrokers though. I'm hoping I can find someone that knows what they're doing to go to a gun show with me, might find something sweet.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #5
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There is a pretty good sized gun show not to far from you at Dulles expo center. That is a good way to take a look at and handle different things. Usually four to five shows a year. I don't remember when the next one is, but I will check. I normally go to a couple of them
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People say get a milled receiver over a stamped but I have a stamped and works just as good. You really don't need any tips it's an AK. not a $1K AR
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http://thenationsgunshow.com/

Go to that wed site for hours and dates, etc.
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if you want AK's to stay on the market then vote on nov. 6
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I've got a number of AKs. I just picked up my first underfolder too.

Couple of things to look for or to be aware of:

Check for mag wobble when a mag is inserted into the rifle. Most will have a LITTLE wobble, and that's ok. Some of the higher end AKs won't have much wobble and that's great. If there's a lot of wobble, don't buy it.
Most of the AK variants you'll see for sale are going to be built from kits, so attention to detail in the assembly will differ from weapon to weapon.
The Yugo AKs are typically built with flip-up grenade launcher sights on the front trunion and will almost always have stamped receivers that are of a thicker gauge than the Romos or the Polish variants. Doesn't necessarily make them better, but they ARE heavier.
Check for rectangular dimples stamped into the receiver on the sides where the mag inserts into the weapon. These are there to help minimize the mag wobble. Sometimes they help, sometimes they don't. Remember, a little mag wobble isn't going to hurt anything.
Check to make sure the front sights are true. Sometimes they'll be canted. Actually, oftentimes they'll be canted. It's just laziness from the builder.
If you can buy an AK with a double hook trigger, that's all the better. Turn the weapon upside down and look in the triggerwell. If there are two slots in front of the trigger in the bottom of the reciever, it's a double hook trigger set. However, if it only has one slot, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. It'll shoot just fine.
AKs are built with rivets, not with roll pins like our ARs. Check to be sure the rivet heads are all uniform and properly rounded. AK actions are loose enough as it is, loose rivets will only make it all looser.
Make sure you're getting a chrome-lined barrel. Most AK barrels nowadays are US made and most are chrome-lined. Precision shooters don't like them, but there's nothing precision about an AK. These guns run dirty. The ammo will say non-corrosive, but it's dirty ammo regardless. A chrome-lined barrel will help GREATLY when it comes time to clean your AK. Yes, I do clean all my AKs, but some people don't ever clean theirs.

It's getting late and I'm tired. I'm sure I'm forgetting some important bits of advice. If I wake up tomorrow and remember anything I missed, I'll let you know. I hope this has helped you. AKs are a ton of fun to shoot. I love all of mine.

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Old 10-24-2012, 10:54 PM   #10
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I've got a number of AKs. I just picked up my first underfolder too.

Couple of things to look for or to be aware of:

Check for mag wobble when a mag is inserted into the rifle. Most will have a LITTLE wobble, and that's ok. Some of the higher end AKs won't have much wobble and that's great. If there's a lot of wobble, don't buy it.
Most of the AK variants you'll see for sale are going to be built from kits, so attention to detail in the assembly will differ from weapon to weapon.
The Yugo AKs are typically built with flip-up grenade launcher sights on the front trunion and will almost always have stamped receivers that are of a thicker gauge than the Romos or the Polish variants. Doesn't necessarily make them better, but they ARE heavier.
Check for rectangular dimples stamped into the receiver on the sides where the mag inserts into the weapon. These are there to help minimize the mag wobble. Sometimes they help, sometimes they don't. Remember, a little mag wobble isn't going to hurt anything.
Check to make sure the front sights are true. Sometimes they'll be canted. Actually, oftentimes they'll be canted. It's just laziness from the builder.
If you can buy an AK with a double hook trigger, that's all the better. Turn the weapon upside down and look in the triggerwell. If there are two slots in front of the trigger in the bottom of the reciever, it's a double hook trigger set. However, if it only has one slot, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. It'll shoot just fine.
AKs are built with rivets, not with roll pins like our ARs. Check to be sure the rivet heads are all uniform and properly rounded. AK actions are loose enough as it is, loose rivets will only make it all looser.
Make sure you're getting a chrome-lined barrel. Most AK barrels nowadays are US made and most are chrome-lined. Precision shooters don't like them, but there's nothing precision about an AK. These guns run dirty. The ammo will say non-corrosive, but it's dirty ammo regardless. A chrome-lined barrel will help GREATLY when it comes time to clean your AK. Yes, I do clean all my AKs, but some people don't ever clean theirs.

It's getting late and I'm tired. I'm sure I'm forgetting some important bits of advice. If I wake up tomorrow and remember anything I missed, I'll let you know. I hope this has helped you. AKs are a ton of fun to shoot. I love all of mine.

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There we go, that's the exact kind of information I'm looking for. I have no idea what to look for in a quality AK and this should put me on the right path. Let me know if you think of anything else!
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There we go, that's the exact kind of information I'm looking for. I have no idea what to look for in a quality AK and this should put me on the right path. Let me know if you think of anything else!
When I first started collecting AKs, there wasn't all that much on YouTube. Now there are a ton of videos showing the different variants. Keep in mind that most are just regular people reviewing their rifles, but in reality, that's what you should really want. A dealer or seller is just going to try to sell you a particular rifle, watching a bunch of YouTube videos will give you a better feel for what variant you want and some pros and cons of each. I forgot to add that last night in my reply.

Also, if you decide to get a Romanian WASR 10-63, it most likely won't have the rectangular dimples on the receiver to keep the mag wobble to a minimum. None of my WASR 10s have the dimples and none of them have problems with excessive wobble, BUT I have seen a few that were pretty bad.
My biggest piece of advice would be to make sure you buy the AK in person instead of online (though I JUST bought a Polish Underfolder AKMS from Gunbroker...but it was from a seller that I knew and spoke with about the rifle before I bought it...) You'll get a feel for the rifle that photos won't do justice. You can tell a "quality" AK from a piece of junk within seconds. I put the quotations around the word "quality" because these rifles are built with pretty loose tolerances, so while they'll shoot when they're full of mud, they'll never be a real accurate weapon. The insurgents use the "spray and pray" method of warfare...accuracy by volume...

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