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Old 01-11-2010, 12:14 PM   #1
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Life and Work Advice Request.

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Hey my name is Dan, I'm 25 and I am looking for serious and comical (any and all) advice on what to do at this crossroads in my life and career. We will use the term career loosely here. Actually let's go with occupation. I need a new one, but I am having a hard time deciding on one. Why? You may ask. Because I have so many different interests and I really dont care to work for "the man" if I can help it. Also I probably have overly high expectations for work in/money out ratio. Let me give you some background...

I come from a family that was on welfare and had no car until I started working when I was 14. I bought my first car in cash the day after I turned 16 and sold it 6 months later for a nice profit that put cash in my pocket and allowed me to purchase a better car.(this is where I learned the profitability of resale) I'm a highschool grad blah blah. First job out of highschool working construction I was making about 18/hr. Joined the Air Force as a crew chief on the B-52 and four years later got out and got work on a drilling rig for oil making about 43/hr.(The rig life spoiled me) I saved up my paychecks and shortly after that I bought a used car dealership.(working for myself spoiled me even more) Well I hated living in North Dakota with a passion so I sold my house and the dealership (without much profit this time) and am now staying in Montana. I made enough on my sales that I haven't had to do anything for oh, about the last 7 months but go kayaking and wheeling and just be a fun loving BUM. Thats getting old and my bucks are getting low. I hate renting and I only have about 10 grand left. It's been a fun vacation from life but it's time to get back into the real world. So now what!? I have been turning wrenches since the day I was born. (more like 4 years old) I know I'm not stupid, which is my downfall because I'm just short of being cocky about it. (got a 94 on the ASVAB) And I'm not a fan of working for someone else and putting money in THEIR pocket and not in my own. Where does that leave me for employment? I guess I'm not being overly specific in my interests. We'll go with anything mechanical, and anything that PAYS WELL. I'm down to move just about anywhere but I have so many toys it would be annoying but possible.

Some ideas:
-Go back to the rigs (they dont pay as well these days) like 30/hr
Pros: MONEY. FAST.
Cons: The work SUCKS. I could be killed (its dangerous)

-Erect steel buildings for my friends company
Pros: Travel most of the country and some of the world-free
Cons: Home once a month, Not the best pay: 15/hr

-Take what little cash I have and hike the entirety of the Appalachian Trail
Pros: Way fun adventure. When else in my life will I be able to do this?
Cons: I'll be broke at the end and right back essentially where I am now.

---What do you all think about those few ideas?
---What other ideas or career changes can you suggest?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions even if they are sarcastic and all they do is bring a smile to my face. I'm just at a loss for ideas on life really. Anyone else ever been there?

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Hey,sounds like you've lived more life than most already,don't be down lil buckaroo,if yer feeling bottomed out-then the only direction from here is up.

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Do you like fishing? Buy a bait/tackle shop. Be an entrepenure (I can't spell that) Jeep shop? I know a guy in FL who sells commercial real estate if you want to move and buy a business in that area... Good luck what ever you decide
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sell all your shit except your jeep, keep all the profit for gas money, and tour the world, working odd jobs through the country for a few weeks, until you find one you like and stick with it. Or you can buy a rifle, a ton of ammo, some out door gear, burn everything you own, and then live in the woods for the rest of your life.

you sound a little to A.D.D. as far as what you want....You don't know what you want so you should do something and build off from the experiences and live life out that way, or be indecisive for your entire life and be in the same situation, with moving around, selling stuff etc...Ever think about starting a family? Maybe its not what your into doing, but maybe its what you need.

you should stalk some girl at the grocery store and ask her to Marie you. If she doesn't want to then you could stalk her some more and murder her eventually, making you a murderer on the run and will give you something to do... You could continue doing this to many women (or men) and this will make you into a serial killer. Make sure you have a wicked sweet MO, like you cut all their hair off and stuff it in their sleeves. You would still be able to move around if you were to choose this career (psycho)path.
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Ha ha ha I have a pretty serious girlfriend. She is about as similar to me as a person can get. Overly smart, beyond her years, too fun loving, and spontaneous as hell. I've tried the family thing also and It's NOT for me YET. My son is 4 actually. I was married for about 3 years. (the military does that to you) I have a hard time doing the "shut up and color" thing. Call it life A.D.D. if you want. I kinda wish I had something formal on paper as in a degree of some sort. I can build an engine from the pan up and likewise for a house-foundation up. But I have friends with engineering degrees and they arent happy with their type of work, or their pay. Then again who is EVER happy with their pay?

I dont think selling all my toys and/or burning my possessions is all that hot of an idea. PUN intended.

I have such a wide range of interests and a solid knowledge of them as well but nothing really seems to stand out and say "Hey pick me" And thats what I'm kinda looking for.

To those that may think I am a know-it-all, I'm not even close. I'm just confident in my ability to learn something and become proficient at it faster than the next guy.

Hasn't anyone been in a 1/4 life crisis like this before? Ha ha
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well i dont know if any of us are qualified to give u life altering ideas. but i can understand what your saying i hate working for other people and making them big bucks and not making enough for your self. i would say if u have the cash and a good area open your own shop and go that route. if your short on cash then do what u did last time go work the rigs for a year save your money and open your own business. remember once u get established then its all down hill from their the family idea is not a bad idea either.
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I suppose what I am getting at is: If you are, or know someone that is - like me, what do you, or they do for employment? Be a country-trekking dirty hippie? Grow medical marijuana at home? Run a labor for hire temp agency? Work at target? Do insane and senseless stunts and video tape them then sell those DVDs to our nations youth?
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You should join the MARINES, that'll teach you exactly what you DON"T want out of life

Join the NAVY -silent service-that'll teach you what you WANT in life, I did, Navy/Feds and I've been retired 17 years, pretty well set !!

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Somehow being an e-2 in the Navy and being 25 years old doesnt seem all that appealing?
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Sonic, I'd check your local colleges and/or social service agencies for free counseling. I know it sounds wierd, but they might help you get a better handle on just what you really want out of your life and help point you in that direction. Taking advice about this from us is unlikely to steer you toward your ultimate happiness, at least not in a realistic manner.

For instance, I do know that I don't want to run my own business. I have too many friends whose lives are consumed by this, and they all tell me how great it is to be your own master. Meanwhile, I am out fishing, camping, hiking, jeeping and traveling far more than they are. I know, it's all a matter of perspective on happiness, but it helps to try to think these things all the way through before you commit any significant resources in a particular direction, only to discover you wasted years of your life on something that doesn't make you happy.

There are professionals who know the right questions. So seek one of these guys out if you really want direction. If you don't like the first one you try, try another. You have little to lose, and everything to gain.

Oh, and BTW, if you have dreams of the AT, or the WCT, do them now while you have the chance. It doesn't cost much, and experience is the one thing no one else can take away from you.

Did I just contradict myself? Maybe, but what the hell.
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have you considered a life of crime? that seems to pay well from what i hear.
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Somehow being an e-2 in the Navy and being 25 years old doesnt seem all that appealing?
None of my three sons went in the NAVY either, (one Air Force) and they're all earning in excess of 100K, but in totally different careers

You're not going to listen to any advice from a forum designed for off-road addicts-anyway

Matter of fact, you'll need to conduct an indept study of your career path based on past experience ie: cardealing/oil rig/geothermal rig (there's an idea)

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Until you get caught. And the really profitable ones are drugs and white collar crime. The drugs will likely have you interacting with some bad dudes, but the white collar variety seems to be not too bad. Even if you get caught, you usually don't have to pay it all back, you can probably maintain some offshore accounts the feds can't touch, and any time you do is probably in ClubFed. Hmmm, maybe I need to consider a new field. Just don't be one of these SH*THEADS who steals the little league money. They suck.
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Red excellent and hilarious advice respectively. I have read 3 books on the AT thru hike and it'll cost me about 3k for the run of it. Not sure if the timing is right.
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Thats awesome! My girlfriend and I just bought everything we need to start blowing glass, Unfortunately until we buy another house we arent going to get started. (we dont want to modify this one) We cant wait!
There's your answer. Do what you love and make it work as your career.


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Yeah. we're going to look at a few houses around Rapid City in the next few days. I'm REALLY good at gardening (particularly aeroponics) and if we could refine our glassblowing skill and nurture the gardening hobby I am sure we could happily live for our own means. Ha ha. I guess we will see how that pans out.

Also we were considering combining the glassblowing with a small business making and selling hematite magnetic jewelry. You know, those creeps you see in the mall peddling their wares. The profit margins are outstanding. Cost on a single piece is about 2.50 and sells quite easily for 35.00 or more. Dont ask how I know this. Over the last 7 months I have done thorough research and business models on everything from a coin op car wash and laundromat combo to a grocery store. Ugh.
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but seriously, do what makes you happy.
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have you considered a life of crime? that seems to pay well from what i hear.
Run for congress, it's the same thing and you won't go to jail.
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well i hated living in north dakota with a passion so i sold my house and the dealership (without much profit this time) and am now staying in montana. wait, you "hated" south dakota so you moved to montana? C'mon man. That's like hatin' south philly and moving to new jersey

some ideas:
-go back to the rigs (they dont pay as well these days) like 30/hr
pros: Money. Fast. this works. Do it.
cons: The work sucks. I could be killed (its dangerous) well, it's only dangerous to you, so i still recommend it. :d

-erect steel buildings for my friends company
pros: Travel most of the country and some of the world-free
cons: Home once a month, not the best pay: 15/hr

-take what little cash i have and hike the entirety of the appalachian trail
pros: Way fun adventure. When else in my life will i be able to do this?
Cons: I'll be broke at the end and right back essentially where i am now. by "hiking" the appalachian trail, you don't mean that you are heading to south america to visit your girlfriend do you? If so, i hear south carolina needs a new govenor

---what do you all think about those few ideas? see above
---what other ideas or career changes can you suggest?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions even if they are sarcastic and all they do is bring a smile to my face. I'm just at a loss for ideas on life really. Anyone else ever been there?
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Nice steve. Southern Montana is actually a lot different and a LOT better than northern NORTH Dakota. In Minot they don't take people off the flight line til it's -60. In Montana, I don't work. Ha ha. Also theres no sales tax in Montana, which I kinda like. One bummer is that my ND drivers license was a really good picture. However, my Montana one was right after I bought prescription/transition Oakley Fives which look cool outdoors when they are tinted, but really homosexual indoors like when a guy gets his drivers license picture taken. I found out after I did this that Bob Burnquist rocks these all the time. weird..... heres a few pics of my glasses both ways. You tell me.
Also ignore the large canvas print of my face. My girlfriend got me that for Christmas because I am "full of myself" and because I have wanted it for like 5 years.
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Red excellent and hilarious advice respectively. I have read 3 books on the AT thru hike and it'll cost me about 3k for the run of it. Not sure if the timing is right.
You should also check the WCT for a thru-hike.
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Lot's of good ideas, I see. I kind of liked the graduating to a serial killer scenario; very low overhead. However, I'm not much for crime. If I were you, I would take that ten grand and drink heavily!! Who knows, you might have an alcohol-induced epiphany. It happens.

Seriously, these are hard times for lots of folks looking for work, nevermind a career. Hope you can come to a fruitful decision and get going in a positive direction. If nothing else, I've heard pimping pays huge dividends with lots of fringe bennies (I hope I don't get in trouble for that one).

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There's a guy in Nigeria that emailed me . . . he will give you an excellent return rate . . . on your 10K, you'll be set for a while!!!


I work for the man . . . have all my life and actually just had my 18 year anniversary with the company I'm at (I've actually worked with 4 companies but they've all been aquired by the company). It sucks, but then again, I can't complain . . . pays for the toys and I've got weekends & holidays off, paid vacation, etc to enjoy them. Too many business owners I've known over the years have trouble breaking away and having time off to enjoy life outside of work, so unless I found something that I truly loved to do, I wouldn't want to have my own business.
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If you like Montana and you want to stay there, be your own boss, and have lots of free time, open a bait shop/saloon. Fly fishermen spend lots of money in Montana and it is pretty seasonal. You could even set up a small engine repair shop out back. They host quite a few festivals where you could sell your other stuff as well. Just a thought
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God knows I'm not the one to offer career advice. But a suggestion while you're searching: try volunteering somewhere for something. Meals-on-wheels delivery in the snow. Wounded Warrior Project. Lots of great causes. It'll make you feel like a better human being.

Oh, and Drug Mule. Just a thought.
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It defenitely was! Last week - because it was clean.

Thanks for all of the hilarious and helpful encouragement. I am thinking that possibly a mixture of many of these ideas will come together to form a mega-tron of employment, or something like that. I suppose the first step is to go find a house this weekend if we can. We have been working with a realtor in the area and have about 3 top picks. So we will first see what comes of that.

Also if my rig friend isn't already blotto I'm going to gather more oil rig employment information from him tonight. Although I think I would prefer to work for less, and have more fun. But at the same rate I hate not owning things 100% and would be willing to do most anything to knock out this next house in as little time as possible.... Blah I'm like a broken record over here!

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