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Old 11-07-2012, 12:30 AM   #31
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I'm actually a huge fan of Gary Johnson, he'll be my political idol until the day I die
I'm hoping we got the 5%. If so gives good shot at getting the 15% needed in 2016. Can start making a real change then. If those two goals are hit it will be great to see what happens.
And truthfully the more the Republicans and Democrats are selfish and fight and bicker the more it helps the cause.

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"America" voted for Romney, the electoral did not. California polls closed 30 minutes ago, no votes reported, but it goes to Obama. Wisconsin voted a majority for Romney, but the electoral goes to Obama. Do we really have a say in any election? No. All that your vote gives you is the right to complain about who the electoral college put into office.

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Wasn't this made clear when Gore lost to Bush in 2000?

Maybe four more years of the Obamination will be a good thing for this country. It may actually convince Americans to look beyond the Democratic and Republican parties and realize there is a choice besides the "lesser of two evils." I counted no fewer than FIVE parties on our West Virginia ballot; Democrat, Republican, Mountain, Green, Libertarian.

Plain and simple, our votes don't count. It doesn't matter that Gore won the popular vote 12 years ago, and it doesn't matter that Romney won it this time around. Your vote simply doesn't count, PERIOD.

I'm not happy about four more years of Obama, I'm happy about ZERO years of Romney.
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Fox news has always hated Romney, except for the 6 months that he was the official nominee...
I think most republicans feel the same.

And the updated number have the popular vote at ONLY 5K difference. Wow.
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I'm hoping we got the 5%. If so gives good shot at getting the 15% needed in 2016. Can start making a real change then. If those two goals are hit it will be great to see what happens.
And truthfully the more the Republicans and Democrats are selfish and fight and bicker the more it helps the cause.
I wanted to see either Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in office. Next time around, I'll be happy to give Gary Johnson my vote, even though I'm convinced our votes do not count.
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Wasn't this made clear when Gore lost to Bush in 2000?

Maybe four more years of the Obamination will be a good thing for this country. It may actually convince Americans to look beyond the Democratic and Republican parties and realize there is a choice besides the "lesser of two evils." I counted no fewer but FIVE parties on our West Virginia ballot; Democrat, Republican, Mountain, Green, Libertarian.

Plain and simple, our votes don't count. It doesn't matter that Gore won the popular vote 12 years ago, and it doesn't matter that Romney won it this time around. Your vote simply doesn't count, PERIOD.

I'm not happy about four more years of Obama, I'm happy about ZERO years of Romney.
Well said.

And there was the Constitutional party in some states too.
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I wanted to see either Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in office. Next time around, I'll be happy to give Gary Johnson my vote, even though I'm convinced our votes do not count.
If the Libertarian party gets 5% of popular vote they get two things in 2016: equal share of fed funding and nominee on every state's ballot (was not on all 50)

With that they hope increased exposure gets 15% of pop vote which equals more air time, funding, and most importantly nominee will be apart of the 3 final presidential debates (and the VP debate). That will give a legit shot to put a crack in the flawed bipartisan system in place now.

I watched the 3rd party debate and Gary Johnson would have won over American sitting next to Obama and Romney.
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I'm hoping we got the 5%. If so gives good shot at getting the 15% needed in 2016. Can start making a real change then. If those two goals are hit it will be great to see what happens.
And truthfully the more the Republicans and Democrats are selfish and fight and bicker the more it helps the cause.
I tried to get my parents to vote Johnson since I'm not old enough, but they're just too socially conservative. Not like it matters anyway, Washington is much too blue

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Wasn't this made clear when Gore lost to Bush in 2000?

Maybe four more years of the Obamination will be a good thing for this country. It may actually convince Americans to look beyond the Democratic and Republican parties and realize there is a choice besides the "lesser of two evils." I counted no fewer but FIVE parties on our West Virginia ballot; Democrat, Republican, Mountain, Green, Libertarian.

Plain and simple, our votes don't count. It doesn't matter that Gore won the popular vote 12 years ago, and it doesn't matter that Romney won it this time around. Your vote simply doesn't count, PERIOD.

I'm not happy about four more years of Obama, I'm happy about ZERO years of Romney.
Mountain party. Not familiar with that, I'll have to Google it! We had 7 here- Repub, Dem, green, libertarian, socialist, communist, and constitutionalist.
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I tried to get my parents to vote Johnson since I'm not old enough, but they're just too socially conservative. Not like it matters anyway, Washington is much too blue

Mountain party. Not familiar with that, I'll have to Google it! We had 7 here- Repub, Dem, green, libertarian, socialist, communist, and constitutionalist.
It would have mattered bc to qualify for a certain status popular vote is only thing that matters, not electoral college. In this facet every vote does count.


Also everyone Obama is up in popular vote by about 90K per Fox News.
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Well said.

And there was the Constitutional party in some states too.
I'm not familiar with that one, but they may have been on our ballots, too. Honestly, I didn't even look.

For the record, I chose not to vote but a friend of mine was unable to register, so I told her I would vote for her. The numbers wouldn't have changed because had she been registered, she would have voted, and simply put, I would not have. She chose to go with the "lesser of the two evils."

I question as to why people actually vote for the "lesser of the two evils." Is it a lack of knowledge about the other candidates running, or whether it's a feeling of helplessness which causes them to vote either Democrat or Republican.

For instance, if you took a poll of everyone here on the forum and asked, "Did you just vote for the lesser of the two evils, not because you wanted one to win over the other," those people would probably outnumber those who actually wanted to vote for either Obama or Romney.

I would bet a majority would say they really didn't support either Obama or Romney but were worried if they voted for someone else it would have been a wasted vote.
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Wow! this is an electoral waxing. Worse than McCain. Who'da thunk it?
I definitely did not expect this but am happy.
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If the Libertarian party gets 5% of popular vote they get two things in 2016: equal share of fed funding and nominee on every state's ballot (was not on all 50)

With that they hope increased exposure gets 15% of pop vote which equals more air time, funding, and most importantly nominee will be apart of the 3 final presidential debates (and the VP debate). That will give a legit shot to put a crack in the flawed bipartisan system in place now.

I watched the 3rd party debate and Gary Johnson would have won over American sitting next to Obama and Romney.
I didn't even know there was a third party debate...how sad is that? And that's the problem, Americans don't know...

Yeah, I admit to being guilty of not knowing. It's pretty damned sad I'm 38 years old and didn't even know there's a such thing as the "third party debate."
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I'm not familiar with that one, but they may have been on our ballots, too. Honestly, I didn't even look.

For the record, I chose not to vote but a friend of mine was unable to register, so I told her I would vote for her. The numbers wouldn't have changed because had she been registered, she would have voted, and simply put, I would not have. She chose to go with the "lesser of the two evils."

I question as to why people actually vote for the "lesser of the two evils." Is it a lack of knowledge about the other candidates running, or whether it's a feeling of helplessness which causes them to vote either Democrat or Republican.

For instance, if you took a poll of everyone here on the forum and asked, "Did you just vote for the lesser of the two evils, not because you wanted one to win over the other," those people would probably outnumber those who actually wanted to vote for either Obama or Romney.

I would bet a majority would say they really didn't support either Obama or Romney.
Great great points.

I'd say most people have no idea about Johnson, or Jill Stein, or Rocky Anderson, or Virgil Goode.

Since they don't know who these people are they don't know what they stand for. They complain about lack of options but in reality they are there. And if enough people vote for them they'll get the electoral college votes (I have a strong feeling most people have a lack of understanding how truly works)
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I didn't even know there was a third party debate...how sad is that? And that's the problem, Americans don't know...

Yeah, I admit to being guilty of not knowing. It's pretty damned sad I'm 38 years old and didn't even know there's a such thing as the "third party debate."
It was hosted by Larry King and was online and on TV and had the 4 candidates I mentioned prior. Was lower budget ordeal but the content was top notch and better than what most of America saw.
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Great great points.

I'd say most people have no idea about Johnson, or Jill Stein, or Rocky Anderson, or Virgil Goode.

Since they don't know who these people are they don't know what they stand for. They complain about lack of options but in reality they are there. And if enough people vote for them they'll get the electoral college votes (I have a strong feeling most people have a lack of understanding how truly works)
The only reason I know about Gary Johnson is because a friend of mine posted something about him on Facebook. It turns out he was the candidate I would be the most likely to support, aside from Ron Paul.

I've never heard of Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, or Virgil Goode. I don't know the first thing about any of them, and I'm sure the Democrats and Republicans would like to keep it that way.
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The only reason I know about Gary Johnson is because a friend of mine posted something about him on Facebook. It turns out he was the candidate I would be the most likely to support, aside from Ron Paul.

I've never heard of Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, or Virgil Goode. I don't know the first thing about any of them, and I'm sure the Democrats and Republicans would like to keep it that way.
Yup.
I'm not a huge fan of the other 3 but they do present what we lack now: options.

Johnson is a product of Ron Paul. Though policy I'm aligned stronger with Johnson. But Johnson has said many times Paul is his hero. Johnson is less 'goofy' and a much better and concise public speaker. His record as governor of New Mexico is something to be jealous of.
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Yup.
I'm not a huge fan of the other 3 but they do present what we lack now: options.

Johnson is a product of Ron Paul. Though policy I'm aligned stronger with Johnson. But Johnson has said many times Paul is his hero. Johnson is less 'goofy' and a much better and concise public speaker. His record as governor of New Mexico is something to be jealous of.
Yes indeed. I liked Gary Johnson's credentials and his stances on a lot of issues.
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So many things in the voting process are screwed up. The Electoral College is antiquated. A final ballot with more than two candidates, while idealistic, would be a disaster. We'd end up with the potential for only 34% of voting Americans choosing the winner of the election, even less with more candidates.

My husband and I are currently considering selling everything we have and relocating. It sounds drastic, but it's a whole lot better for us to sell it while we can, rather than see the economy decline further and have it taken away. Small businesses have suffered so much. Our money is safer under the mattress.
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Speed, Ill be happy if we don't have to close any more stores because of this mess.
I agree 100% with that, people who have chosen to work their asses off, and have what they do because of that fact alone are, and I really hate to say this, about to really be hurting. I see no reason for the chaotic B.S. that you all have to go through...
I really need to stop right there, I'm on a public forum, and don't need to voice my opinion as boldly as I was about to. I digress.

I retired at 40, I'm a veteran on disability, all I can say is I hope it gets better.
Business owners tighten up your belts, there's about to be some turbulence...
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Cool thing is last 3 years economy had grown. One horrendous year that's 90% the prior POTUS fault.
Though long term will have to see what current POTUS decisions will impact.
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I retired at 40, I'm a veteran on disability, all I can say is I hope it gets better.
Business owners tighten up your belts, there's about to be some turbulence...
Check some facts sometime about how friendly the current batch of Republicans are toward Veterans benefits.
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HEAVY sigh, I don't want to even start..., I chimed in and were all allowed our two cents, I'm outta here... Later guys, I'm gonna go drink a beer and smoke a butt before it's freakin' illegal.
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Cool thing is last 3 years economy had grown. One horrendous year that's 90% the prior POTUS fault.
Though long term will have to see what current POTUS decisions will impact.
Where did you get 90%?
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Where did you get 90%?
Of course not exact. But most of the economic downfall happened in first 10 months or so of his presidency. Way to quick of a time for any changes he implemented to have an effect. And the writing was on the wall and economy started slipping prior to the election and was a major talking point during the election period from both sides. Everyone knew the economy was dropping and would drop very quickly. But starting in 2010 it started growing again and every single quarter since has seen positive growth, though not at the rate we hoped or were lead to believe would happen.

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