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Old 11-07-2012, 12:58 AM   #61
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If you wanted change shoulda voted Gary Johnson. Romney is 90% the same as Obama. Not a real change, just diff name.
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Saw on the news that the Jeep ad most likely cost Romney Ohio.
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Paul Ryan
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Saw on the news that the Jeep ad most likely cost Romney Ohio.
Yup yup yup. People saw right threw their low down dirty lie.

Fan, you cant convince people it is wed morning. Their truthiness tells them its monderday, so they wont believe your facts.

I wish people would learn when repubs say 'small business' they mean hedge fund investment firms...

Wake the f up America, geez.

Kudos to yall Johnson boys. He has a brain.

Electoral college shouldnt be done away with, it should be like Nebraska. Split on congressional lines and not winner take all. Same as your congressional election districts, and I dont hear a whole lot of complaining about those.
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The fact is all small business will suffer more.
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Mhmm, one has made millions from squat and the other has lost trillions.....I can see the resemblence
agreed...one has no business experience at all..no doubt that he can get our economy back on track...NOT
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I wasn't going to post but I guess I will throw in my .02 cents.

It is very clear that this election was more than about two individual candidates, it was about the two very distinct "ideas" or "paths" for this great country. What really has me saddened this morning is not the fact that a republican lost, it is the fact that so many people in this country would rather turn to the government for support and to take care of them than stand on their own merit to work hard and be able to reap what they sow. That mindset is going by the wayside which scares the hell out of me.

I work two jobs and my wife works full-time as well. We save and live within our means and have created a great life for our family at the expense of late nights and hard work, but this spread the wealth crap is for the birds.

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I wasn't going to post but I guess I will throw in my .02 cents.

It is very clear that this election was more than about two individual candidates, it was about the two very distinct "ideas" or "paths" for this great country. What really has me saddened this morning is not the fact that a republican lost, it is the fact that so many people in this country would rather turn to the government for support and to take care of them than stand on their own merit to work hard and be able to reap what they sow. That mindset is going by the wayside which scares the hell out of me.

I work two jobs and my wife works full-time as well. We save and live within our means and have created a great life for our family at the expense of late nights and hard work, but this spread the wealth shit is for the birds.

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ain't that the truth
Simply put, the tide changed when we stop being a nation that manufactures things to being a nation that consumes things.

The key to change in this country doesn't lie in the hands of the president. It lies in the hands of the twenty-somethings that would rather kill zombies on TV than go out and build something.
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Simply put, the tide changed when we stop being a nation that manufactures things to being a nation that consumes things.

The key to change in this country doesn't lie in the hands of the president. It lies in the hands of the twenty-somethings that would rather kill zombies on TV than go out and build something.
Just my $0.02.
We started to stop manufacturing in the 80s though. The 20 something's were babies then. NAFTA has expedited that process which also has nothing to do with 20 something's.
Are 20 something's now lazier than prior generations? Maybe. Not sure if any way to quantify that. This generation also has way more 20 something's who own their own business and who are millionaires bc of tech start ups (Facebook for example)

But the ones who are interested in playing video games more than anything are that way bc are they are raised that way. They weren't made to work and the low skill labor and manufacturing jobs aren't as readily avail as they were to prior generations.

I 100% that opening more manufacturing jobs here, without unions, and putting the current generation of unemployed 20 something's there while removing their government subsidized living would put America back on fast track to stability more than any other feasible option out.
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I wasn't going to post but I guess I will throw in my .02 cents.

It is very clear that this election was more than about two individual candidates, it was about the two very distinct "ideas" or "paths" for this great country. What really has me saddened this morning is not the fact that a republican lost, it is the fact that so many people in this country would rather turn to the government for support and to take care of them than stand on their own merit to work hard and be able to reap what they sow. That mindset is going by the wayside which scares the hell out of me.

I work two jobs and my wife works full-time as well. We save and live within our means and have created a great life for our family at the expense of late nights and hard work, but this spread the wealth crap is for the birds.

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I couldn't have agreed with you more. I live in a rural area where the majority of the people are on financial assistance. It sickens me going up to walmart or the local grocery store and the individual in front of me is buying junk food with Lonestar (Food Stamps in Texas). What really gets to me more is that people are selling food stamps to turn a profit. A lot of the younger crowd voted for Obama because he's handing out free money for school. This should not be the only reason to vote for him. How would I know? They bicker about it on Facebook.
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All I can say is that I am sadly stunned. I know all the small-business type customers I deal with on a daily basis were not looking forward to a reelection. This certainly will not help my job at all.

As I said to my wife last night, the only good news out of him being reelected is this will be his last term.
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Jerry, we HOPE it's his last term! He could try to pull an FDR....

Mike, that was very well said...agree 100%.

Being from MA, I was not a huge Romney fan...BUT I'd rather have had him in. The next four years will be a very long road ahead...

I just don't think Obama is good for business...and when this healthcare bill kicks in, we'll see how many supporters still love him....
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Jerry, we HOPE it's his last term! He could try to pull an FDR....

Mike, that was very well said...agree 100%.

Being from MA, I was not a huge Romney fan...BUT I'd rather have had him in. The next four years will be a very long road ahead...

I just don't think Obama is good for business...and when this healthcare bill kicks in, we'll see how many supporters still love him....
yep,2 of my daughters and 1 of my son-in-laws are school teachers..they tell me that their take home pay will drop about 100 bucks a month,each,because of obamacare
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Umm, has everyone forgotten that Obama walked into this mess? This downturn of the economy started with Bush.

That being said, I am NOT happy about weathering another FOUR years of Obama, I'm happy about weathering ZERO years of Romney. Romney would destroy this country. He had nobody's interests in mind but his own. He was not "for the people," he was for himself...and people saw through it.

Most of us here probably fall into the middle class, with few of us in the upper and lower classes. The only ones who would have benefited from Romney are the upper class. The rest of us would have been left homeless and eating out of dumpsters while Romney and his protected "upper crust" partied the nights away.

I was absolutely frightened that Romney was winning. I was seriously building a plan to get the hell out of here and move to Canada.

Until this country realizes there are options besides the "lesser of the two evils," it will never flourish. America figured it was better to stick with the devil it knows.

I don't own a small business so I don't know what's going on with that and won't attempt to act like I do, and I don't fully agree with Obamacare either, but it is what it is. I just hope this disaster is enough to convince America to look beyond Democrats and Republicans. Neither of them are good for this country.
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LOL that's the same ole line everyone uses.....it was the other guys problem. I guess George Washington started all the problems and its all rolled downhill from there.
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My retired healthcare plan went up 17% on Oct 1st and is expected to be increased again when the FY13 budget is signed, whenever that may be.

If they can't get to work and stop Sequestration we should recall everyone of them and start over.
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LOL that's the same ole line everyone uses.....it was the other guys problem. I guess George Washington started all the problems and its all rolled downhill from there.
So why don't you educate all us idiots and tell us what really happened.
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People dont want the American dream anymore of making it on your own and having pride. They would rather get handouts like the piece of trash I saw yesterday at the grocery store. 528.00 cart full of tbones and such. gold chains, escalade, and paid with an ebt card.
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People dont want the American dream anymore of making it on your own and having pride. They would rather get handouts like the piece of trash I saw yesterday at the grocery store. 528.00 cart full of tbones and such. gold chains, escalade, and paid with an ebt card.
Yep, seen that before...many a time. How's it feel to be buying somebody else's $65,000 Escalade?
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LOL that's the same ole line everyone uses.....it was the other guys problem. I guess George Washington started all the problems and its all rolled downhill from there.
No. Just no. You can't see the facts. When Bush entered office the country had a surplus and was in a great place. When he left it was in a bad place and at time largest deficit in history. The economy only dropped the first part of Obama's 1st term. Since then 3 years with every quarter seeing positive growth.
The flip side is some of the decisions Obama made to create that growth may provide more long term issues than short term resolution. Will have to see. Generally, when applicable, a 2nd term is what defines a president. Most of Clinton's improvements happened 2nd term and were great for country. Bush won strongly his 2nd term and had support but did a poor job and that started the downward spiral. Of course something outside of his hand but when in charge you get all credit and blame. They know this when accepting the job.
Many prior presidents have left this country in a good spot when leaving office but Bush did not. He was downright terrible and it's evident bc the Republican Party has worked hard to separate themselves from him after his term.
At this point Obama owns everything and will certainly own it in 4 years. Truth is we don't know what will happen. Hopefully the 3 consecutive years of growth turn into 7 and the next president can focus on something other than economy. And maybe Obamacare will truly destroy most small businesses and put us back in same spot or worse. And for what it's worth I am strongly anti-Obamacare.
While there were many factors that lead to Romney losing one is the Republican's 1950s era stance on rape (downright embarrassing) and gay marriage (antiquated). If they'd just be more moderate on those two topics I think they would have won. America is made up of a more diverse demographic. You can't have middle age stodgy stubborn white guys win off the white vote anymore. The country is more diverse and many younger white people are exposed to it and believe gay marriage won't collapse our country and that rape is a bad thing and that the option for abortion is just that: an option. More importantly a woman's option.
You can be conservative on many things, and it's amazing how many people are fiscal conservatives and prefer that route but won't vote conservative bc of social issues.
The Republican Party should soften stance on abortion and gay marriage. That'll allow then to get younger and more diverse members in their party. And they would dominate in elections following. Could still be anti-Obamacare and welfare.
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Umm, has everyone forgotten that Obama walked into this mess? This downturn of the economy started with Bush.

That being said, I am NOT happy about weathering another FOUR years of Obama, I'm happy about weathering ZERO years of Romney. Romney would destroy this country. He had nobody's interests in mind but his own. He was not "for the people," he was for himself...and people saw through it.

Most of us here probably fall into the middle class, with few of us in the upper and lower classes. The only ones who would have benefited from Romney are the upper class. The rest of us would have been left homeless and eating out of dumpsters while Romney and his protected "upper crust" partied the nights away.

I was absolutely frightened that Romney was winning. I was seriously building a plan to get the hell out of here and move to Canada.

Until this country realizes there are options besides the "lesser of the two evils," it will never flourish. America figured it was better to stick with the devil it knows.

I don't own a small business so I don't know what's going on with that and won't attempt to act like I do, and I don't fully agree with Obamacare either, but it is what it is. I just hope this disaster is enough to convince America to look beyond Democrats and Republicans. Neither of them are good for this country.
You user hander is apt, as you've bought the class envy bs that our Conman in Chief was selling.

The whole proposed "Buffet Rule" would raise a whopping $48 billion over 10 years, according to the CBO. That's what, 10 days of just the interest on our national debt? And that's on top of the $7 TRILLION in proposed increases (not NEW spending, mind you) that was in President Obama's proposed 2013 budget. In the meantime, we can hold those handouts to Planned Parenthood, the National Endowment for the Arts, The Children's Television Workshop, and the study of shrimp migration patters as sancrosant.

Raising taxes to increase revenues might be a good idea if we had 5% or more growth, but we're stuck at about 2%. Even Bill Clinton (he lowered the Capital Gains tax, too) recently said the economy isn't strong enough to raise taxes on anyone.

Unfortunately none of us can "move to Canada", as they are even more of a welfare state. We are, as one guy put it, "the last best hope of earth".
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...The Republican Party should soften stance on abortion and gay marriage. That'll allow then to get younger and more diverse members in their party. And they would dominate in elections following. Could still be anti-Obamacare and welfare.
Sell out your principals for a few pandering votes. Sounds like a winner!


The country is becoming increasingly pro-life, as poll after poll, initiative after initiative show. As MLK put it: "Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne, yet that scaffold holds the future and beyond that dark enclosure standeth God, within the shadow, keeping watch upon his own" (paraphrased for this occasion).
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The danger to America is not an Obama Presidency, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It would be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.

There, I said it.
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No matter who was elected we have to remember the presidency is just an elected position. With what is on the polls this morning the the senate has majority rule by Democrat's, the House has majority rule by republicans. We have 4 years of grid lock coming in a time where drastic change is needed. We need to look at our country and what values is has slowly been placing in the forefront of society as acceptable. Everyone is created equal and has the right to the same things and opportunities. This is a fair and valid opinion, however when free will, choice and the chance of free enterprise are removed from this equation by government handouts you get socialism. The only hope for the country is the American people to pull there heads out and go back to old school values and ethics our grandparents and ancestors believed in ( that made our country great and the strongest nation in the world, its sad that we are no longer the wealthiest country in the world).
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Sell out your principals for a few pandering votes. Sounds like a winner!


The country is becoming increasingly pro-life, as poll after poll, initiative after initiative show. As MLK put it: "Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne, yet that scaffold holds the future and beyond that dark enclosure standeth God, within the shadow, keeping watch upon his own" (paraphrased for this occasion).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...n_2044973.html

I'll disagree with your thought of what most Americans want with some facts. Feel free to read. Most are ok in certain situations listed in the article. Few in this country want abortions allowed just because.

If you can defend the recent comments of rape by two prominent republicans we should end the discussion.

Allowing gay marriage is not selling out your principles. Romney would not bring back prohibition bc it's against his principles. You can give people option of something you don't support without selling out. It's not a complicated thought. And if there is a god and if he hates homosexuals then he will judge them and send them to hell. All sorts of laws and rights exist that don't align with your principles and many others. Just don't use that option. Gotta think the Christian mindset would be anti-porn. Certainly not a pro Republican idea. But aren't banning it. Just ignoring.

There is also a thing called compromise for greater good. Republicans aren't for gay marriage. Cool. But if allowing that gives control over other facets of country and does not effect your home life seems like a idea to consider.
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Agree. Overall has been a great thread but its probably near the end of its life. At this point it's redundant and rhetoric. Hopefully a mod will close before it requires closing and warnings.

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