looks like four more - Page 4 - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > General Discussion Forums > Off-Topic

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 11-07-2012, 10:33 AM   #91
President, ThumbJeeps

WF Supporting Member
 
sevenservices's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mid-Michigan/Thumb
Posts: 3,947
anytime I hear BS about crap being the presidents fault, I research it. And most the time, it was a lie... I just hope everyone did the research on who was the honest person in this election before voting. Most people tend to vote on a whim without researching.

It should be required that everyone who votes actually watches all debates.

__________________
-Chris
President, ThumbJeeps
CB Callsign "AirForce One"


1994 Wrangler YJ I6 4.0 H/O Auto 3 spd. 4" RC (33x12.5) (15x8) 3:54 Gears
sevenservices is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:34 AM   #92
Sponsoring Vendor
 
Ibuildembig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fruitland, Missouri
Posts: 8,410
^^^this and I'd like to add pay taxes, not be on welfare or get any handouts from the govt, and be a real citizen.

Ibuildembig is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:38 AM   #93
President, ThumbJeeps

WF Supporting Member
 
sevenservices's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mid-Michigan/Thumb
Posts: 3,947
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
The fact is all small business will suffer more.
Not sure what your talking about? Do you have a reason to share why small business will suffer more? Or did someone just say that? I have a small business that we started back in 2001. 2010 was our most profitable year and this year is turning out to be rather well into the forth quarter. I live in MI which is horrible right now for jobs. Is it because we are service based that we're making money in this economy?

Please expand, I'd like to know how I might really suffer...

(ps... I love sharing views w/jeep friends. We all learn so much from each other and even if we disagree we still get along great.)
__________________
-Chris
President, ThumbJeeps
CB Callsign "AirForce One"


1994 Wrangler YJ I6 4.0 H/O Auto 3 spd. 4" RC (33x12.5) (15x8) 3:54 Gears
sevenservices is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:39 AM   #94
Jeeper
 
scipio337's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
Abortion Poll: Vast Majority Support Legal Abortion For Rape Victims

I'll disagree with your thought of what most Americans want with some facts. Feel free to read. Most are ok in certain situations listed in the article. Few in this country want abortions allowed just because.

If you can defend the recent comments of rape by two prominent republicans we should end the discussion.

Allowing gay marriage is not selling out your principles. Romney would not bring back prohibition bc it's against his principles. You can give people option of something you don't support without selling out. It's not a complicated thought. And if there is a god and if he hates homosexuals then he will judge them and send them to hell. All sorts of laws and rights exist that don't align with your principles and many others. Just don't use that option. Gotta think the Christian mindset would be anti-porn. Certainly not a pro Republican idea. But aren't banning it. Just ignoring.

There is also a thing called compromise for greater good. Republicans aren't for gay marriage. Cool. But if allowing that gives control over other facets of country and does not effect your home life seems like a idea to consider.
Huffpo? Not exactly what I'd call an unbiased source. Perhaps you can provide intenal polling from the Guttmacher Institute, while we're at it?


I won't "defend the recent comments of rape by two prominent republicans" because they were indefensible. But the general consensus is a VERY far cry from the Dem platform of "Abortion at any time, for any reason (or no reason at all), regardless of who has to pay for it. (including the taxpayer)"

Feel free to read, and notice the trending on "Always legal/available" vs. "Available with limitations".

Abortion
scipio337 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:41 AM   #95
Jeeper
 
fan of fanboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
^^^this and I'd like to add pay taxes, not be on welfare or get any handouts from the govt, and be a real citizen.
No government hand outs? So if you use free public school, free public library, or anything else the government just hands us based on tax payers dollars can't vote? That's an interesting stance you have.
__________________
not
/nät/
adverb
1. used with an auxiliary verb or “be” to form the negative
2. used as a short substitute for a negative clause
"Not actually a backer of this thought"
fan of fanboys is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:42 AM   #96
Jeeper
 
zmotorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northern Utah
Posts: 627
Quote:
Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Umm, has everyone forgotten that Obama walked into this mess? This downturn of the economy started with Bush.

That being said, I am NOT happy about weathering another FOUR years of Obama, I'm happy about weathering ZERO years of Romney. Romney would destroy this country. He had nobody's interests in mind but his own. He was not "for the people," he was for himself...and people saw through it.

Most of us here probably fall into the middle class, with few of us in the upper and lower classes. The only ones who would have benefited from Romney are the upper class. The rest of us would have been left homeless and eating out of dumpsters while Romney and his protected "upper crust" partied the nights away.

I was absolutely frightened that Romney was winning. I was seriously building a plan to get the hell out of here and move to Canada.

Until this country realizes there are options besides the "lesser of the two evils," it will never flourish. America figured it was better to stick with the devil it knows.

I don't own a small business so I don't know what's going on with that and won't attempt to act like I do, and I don't fully agree with Obamacare either, but it is what it is. I just hope this disaster is enough to convince America to look beyond Democrats and Republicans. Neither of them are good for this country.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
So why don't you educate all us idiots and tell us what really happened.
It was the left wing bleeding hearts that thought everyone is ENTITLED to own a home, whether they could afford it or not. The government under liberal direction forced banks to loan to those who were high risk, enter Fannie and Freddy. The banks had no choice but to lend so they found a way to at least minimize their immediate losses as people were defaulting on home mortgages, they packaged the home mortgages and sold/marketed them depending on risk factors.

This made a lot of money and therefore brought money into the economy going into the early 2000's. Many financial reports and advisors were warning of the crash when these would come back to bite us but no one wanted to hear it.

Well it came crashing down in 2007/2008. I am not saying Bush's administration had nothing to do with it but they were not the ones who initiated this stupid program. The same old talking points of blaming Bush are really getting old. Neither side is completely innocent in this mess, but the one thing that is really responsible for all of this is the liberal ideology.

I am sorry, if someone can't prove they can make a mortgage payment, then by hell they shouldn't be allowed to borrow. Plain and simple. The liberals in this country are going to end up destroying it because they are so convinced that everyone should be equal, not have equal opportunity, actually BE equal. That is simply never going to happen.

Anytime the government takes away from those who have worked hard and gives it to those who choose to do otherwise we are doomed. Any society that has tried it has failed, period. The simple fact is once that the incentive to work has been removed or "punished by taxation" there really is nowhere else to take money from, the government does not create money. They simply can print money, which devalues our currency, or they take it in taxation, which up to a certain point is our partriotic responsibility, but beyond that it merely dampens the creative and enthusiastic spirit of the American public.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
People dont want the American dream anymore of making it on your own and having pride. They would rather get handouts like the piece of trash I saw yesterday at the grocery store. 528.00 cart full of tbones and such. gold chains, escalade, and paid with an ebt card.
I don't think the American Dream means the same thing anymore and certainly not to a certain population. I don't know what the draw is to sit on your ass and get handouts from the government. I have never seen a person on government assistance that is living the kind of lifestyle that I would want for me or my family.

Mike.
__________________
2011 JKU Rubicon
BDS Long-Arm System/ 17x9 ATX Crawl wheels/35" BFG KM2's/ Plus much, much more.

Click here to see my 2011 JKU Rubicon Build Thread
zmotorsports is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:45 AM   #97
Sponsoring Vendor
 
Ibuildembig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fruitland, Missouri
Posts: 8,410
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevenservices View Post
Not sure what your talking about? Do you have a reason to share why small business will suffer more? Or did someone just say that? I have a small business that we started back in 2001. 2010 was our most profitable year and this year is turning out to be rather well into the forth quarter. I live in MI which is horrible right now for jobs. Is it because we are service based that we're making money in this economy?

Please expand, I'd like to know how I might really suffer...

(ps... I love sharing views w/jeep friends. We all learn so much from each other and even if we disagree we still get along great.)
We have been in business since 59 and have been down 85 percent in the last 3 years from what we have done previous.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
No government hand outs? So if you use free public school, free public library, or anything else the government just hands us based on tax payers dollars can't vote? That's an interesting stance you have.
Oh stop reading into stuff, you know exactly what I mean.

On that note, I'm going to the YJ section so if anyone wants to argue YJ stuff, Im there
Ibuildembig is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:46 AM   #98
Jeeper
 
fan of fanboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by scipio337

Huffpo? Not exactly what I'd call an unbiased source. Perhaps you can provide intenal polling from the Guttmacher Institute, while we're at it?

I won't "defend the recent comments of rape by two prominent republicans" because they were indefensible. But the general consensus is a VERY far cry from the Dem platform of "Abortion at any time, for any reason (or no reason at all), regardless of who has to pay for it. (including the taxpayer)"

Feel free to read, and notice the trending on "Always legal/available" vs. "Available with limitations".

Abortion
I agree 100% should be limitations. So does most of the country. That's my point. So allowing in those exceptions is against the official republican stance but if they changed would help them with voters.

I don't think you and I are really far apart.

Most democrats, which don't confuse yourself and identify me as one bc if you read all my post you'll know I'm not, aren't for any time and any reason. And while many are for using tax payers dollars I not and the Republican Party doesn't have to include that in their stance.

All republicans have to do is allow abortion in extreme cases and not paid for by tax dollars and allow gay marriage or at least allow civil unions with legal benefits of marriage. They'd win every national position and without compromising their most important and vital stance.
__________________
not
/nät/
adverb
1. used with an auxiliary verb or “be” to form the negative
2. used as a short substitute for a negative clause
"Not actually a backer of this thought"
fan of fanboys is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:50 AM   #99
Jeeper
 
fan of fanboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig

We have been in business since 59 and have been down 85 percent in the last 3 years from what we have done previous.

Oh stop reading into stuff, you know exactly what I mean.

On that note, I'm going to the YJ section so if anyone wants to argue YJ stuff, Im there
Sounds like y'all do a poor job running a business. The company I work for is having almost record years the last 4 1/2 years I've worked here.

And not reading into stuff. You draw a line at the government subsidies you receive. Anyone who receives more is wrong.
And again, I'm against government hand out. I'm a libertarian. Look at Gary Johnson's site and his position on government. Mirrors mine exactly.
I'm not fully disagreeing with you, just pointing out a fallacy.
__________________
not
/nät/
adverb
1. used with an auxiliary verb or “be” to form the negative
2. used as a short substitute for a negative clause
"Not actually a backer of this thought"
fan of fanboys is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 10:55 AM   #100
Sponsoring Vendor
 
Ibuildembig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fruitland, Missouri
Posts: 8,410
Its not our fault he has made it hard to get paid from tax funded entities and what they have to jump through to get a grant because of his policys and red tape.

It has nothing to do with management trust me. Lets see you tie up 100K on your credit line for 180+ days and see how it affects your bottom line. Do that for about 20-30 customers and see how you feel....

Say what you want, but I've been here since day 1 and I know the kind of cashflow we used to have compared to what we have today is a big issue. Oh, and have to reinvest all of your savings to keep cash coming in and out because the government won't allow payment on accounts. Then and only then will you understand my frustration.
Ibuildembig is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:02 AM   #101
Newb
 
Hillbilly Mac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: West BY GOD Virginia
Posts: 12
I get a gov't handout: A VA Disability check from 10 years of Service in the US Army to insure the rights of people to make piss-poor decisions every 4 years. I'm also a Constitutional Libertarian, but since I get a gov't handout, I guess I shouldn't vote. I'm just glad my Canadian wife (who is here with a Green Card) works from home for a Canadian company where the economy hasn't gone to hell.
Hillbilly Mac is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:03 AM   #102
Jeeper
 
scipio337's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
I agree 100% should be limitations. So does most of the country. That's my point. So allowing in those exceptions is against the official republican stance but if they changed would help them with voters.

I don't think you and I are really far apart.

Most democrats, which don't confuse yourself and identify me as one bc if you read all my post you'll know I'm not, aren't for any time and any reason. And while many are for using tax payers dollars I not and the Republican Party doesn't have to include that in their stance.

All republicans have to do is allow abortion in extreme cases and not paid for by tax dollars and allow gay marriage or at least allow civil unions with legal benefits of marriage. They'd win every national position and without compromising their most important and vital stance.
Well, thanks for keeping it civil.

I think that was Romney's position, legal in some cases, but not a first form of birth control (although I think the official platform was a little different).

I think a most people support civil unions (I do), but in may cases, some aren't satisfied. California had them in 1999. Civil unions passed when I lived in Illinois, and some are now pushing (hard) for marriage.

That being said (since you identified yourself as Libertarian), the GOP really stepped on their own d**k by alienating the Paul supporters. Johnson had 5% in Ohio and 4% in Colorado, and would have been the difference in those states, had they gone Romney. The GOP convention was a real slap in the face to some enthusiastic grass-rooters.

Anyway, this forum is one of my few refuges from the politico world, suffice it to say I hope our country sees a REAL economic recovery, and it will take compromise on both sides to make it happen.
scipio337 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:07 AM   #103
Sponsoring Vendor
 
Ibuildembig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fruitland, Missouri
Posts: 8,410
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillbilly Mac View Post
I get a gov't handout: A VA Disability check from 10 years of Service in the US Army to insure the rights of people to make piss-poor decisions every 4 years. I'm also a Constitutional Libertarian, but since I get a gov't handout, I guess I shouldn't vote. I'm just glad my Canadian wife (who is here with a Green Card) works from home for a Canadian company where the economy hasn't gone to hell.
Ummm, you paid for it before you took it....that's payment, not a handout
Ibuildembig is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:31 AM   #104
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by scipio337 View Post
You user hander is apt, as you've bought the class envy bs that our Conman in Chief was selling.

The whole proposed "Buffet Rule" would raise a whopping $48 billion over 10 years, according to the CBO. That's what, 10 days of just the interest on our national debt? And that's on top of the $7 TRILLION in proposed increases (not NEW spending, mind you) that was in President Obama's proposed 2013 budget. In the meantime, we can hold those handouts to Planned Parenthood, the National Endowment for the Arts, The Children's Television Workshop, and the study of shrimp migration patters as sancrosant.

Raising taxes to increase revenues might be a good idea if we had 5% or more growth, but we're stuck at about 2%. Even Bill Clinton (he lowered the Capital Gains tax, too) recently said the economy isn't strong enough to raise taxes on anyone.

Unfortunately none of us can "move to Canada", as they are even more of a welfare state. We are, as one guy put it, "the last best hope of earth".
I'm sorry, who are you to make judgements about people, especially someone you've never spoken to?

We are all now dumber for having read your drivel. You aren't telling anybody anything they don't already know, so you can quit trying to sound like some expert, Captain Obvious.

Furthermore, why would I care about Canada's welfare system? I don't need to be concerned with welfare, but you clearly are, so I highly suggest you make some wiser financial decisions than the ones you're making.
Con Artist is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:44 AM   #105
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
Sounds like y'all do a poor job running a business. The company I work for is having almost record years the last 4 1/2 years I've worked here.

And not reading into stuff. You draw a line at the government subsidies you receive. Anyone who receives more is wrong.
And again, I'm against government hand out. I'm a libertarian. Look at Gary Johnson's site and his position on government. Mirrors mine exactly.
I'm not fully disagreeing with you, just pointing out a fallacy.
Gary Johnson was the best man for the job. Too bad 95% of America weren't smart enough to see it.
Con Artist is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 11:46 AM   #106
Jeeper
 
scipio337's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Who the hell are you to make ANY judgements about ANYONE? And then you try to "educate" me with your ridiculous statements like you're some sort of expert. You aren't telling anybody anything we don't already know, so how'bout if you return to your seat in the back.

And FWIW, I don't need welfare, so I couldn't care less about anybody's welfare laws, Canada included. Worry about your own financial status, I have plenty sitting in the bank.
Ummm, I wasn't making any judgements about anyone's financial status, just stating that Canada has a generally higher tax rate and state funding of 'social' programs. Sorry if that's "obvious", but apparently, still misinterpreted.

But I'm not the one making outlandish claims like

"The only ones who would have benefited from Romney are the upper class. The rest of us would have been left homeless and eating out of dumpsters while Romney and his protected "upper crust" partied the nights away."

ETA: You might be a little more convincing if you drop the puerile "my dad is bigger than your dad" argument. This is, after all an anonymous intrabebs forum.
scipio337 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 12:09 PM   #107
MARGARET, 10-14-51\6-1-12

WF Supporting Member
 
GREEN-MACHINE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF MASSACHUSETTS
Posts: 10,249
what i know is that clinton deregulated banks and this is where all the bad bank notes and outrageous loans came from he also signed into law nafta,,, thats where all our jobs went,,
__________________

life is too short to be taken seriously all the time,,,, go buy a MR.potato head and have some fun.
GREEN-MACHINE is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #108
Jeeper
 
sp33dfr33k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 495
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofabeach View Post
It's not illegal in Maryland
HAHAHA..!!!

Ibuildembig-- "Ummm, you paid for it before you took it....that's payment, not a handout..."

Thanx big,
hope your not the only one that noticed that...
__________________
I drink to keep my ADHD at bay, and I smoke because it makes me look cool.
sp33dfr33k is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 01:00 PM   #109
Jeeper
 
ed98208's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 390
Quote:
Originally Posted by zmotorsports View Post
It was the left wing bleeding hearts that thought everyone is ENTITLED to own a home, whether they could afford it or not. The government under liberal direction forced banks to loan to those who were high risk, enter Fannie and Freddy. The banks had no choice but to lend so they found a way to at least minimize their immediate losses as people were defaulting on home mortgages, they packaged the home mortgages and sold/marketed them depending on risk factors.
I know I'm probably talking to a brick wall, but I have to take issue with this. I have been in the mortgage business for 28 years. I saw with my own eyes how the "bubble" was built up in the early-mid 2000's with subprime mortgages that never should have been made....and it absolutely was not related to some government mandate from the 1990's to give loans to the disadvantaged.

Have you ever bought a bundle of porn magazines from a cheap grocery store, and the outside ones are fairly highbrow but the ones inside the bundle are the dregs from some former soviet bloc country and you kind of wish you could unsee them? That's how they were packaging mortgages.

The subprime debacle happened because the Bush administration deregulated the financial industry and put the foxes in charge of the hen house. The reason the too-big-to-fails were making loans to anyone with a pulse is because they were making a TON of money in upfront fees and knew they could just offload the loans afterwards to the secondary market, which in turn knew they could get the loans guaranteed by insurers and the government because no one was running quality control. They weren't being forced to do anything. They were rolling in dough and laughing all the way.

With the lending industry all but dead from late 2007 to mid 2010 or so, I got into the foreclosure side of things. Many of the people who lost their homes were those who'd refinanced 2 or 3 times as values were going up and treated their homes like ATMs, pulling cash out and spending it on toys and vacations. A lot were just the folks who got burned by the recession - when they bought or refinanced their house they were doing fine. Then a job was lost, hours were cut back, etc. and they couldn't make the payments anymore. But a whole lot of them just should never have gotten a loan in the first place but were able to because of crooked loan officers, crooked appraisers, crooked underwriters and a willful lack of oversight by those who were supposed to be watching. And lots of people got rich off those bad mortgages. I knew loan officers who were making $60k a month.

The bottom line is that the crash of 2007 had nothing to do with 1990's policies and no one can prove it did. It had to do with 2000's policies. You can claim that blaming Bush for something that happened 7 years into his administration is just a liberal talking point, but I contend that blaming Clinton (or some like to even go back all the way to Carter - conveniently skipping over 2 more Republican presidents, of course) is just a conservative talking point, and a much less believable one at that.
ed98208 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 01:11 PM   #110
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kearneysville, WV
Posts: 3,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
I know I'm probably talking to a brick wall, but I have to take issue with this. I have been in the mortgage business for 28 years. I saw with my own eyes how the "bubble" was built up in the early-mid 2000's with subprime mortgages that never should have been made....and it absolutely was not related to some government mandate from the 1990's to give loans to the disadvantaged.

Have you ever bought a bundle of porn magazines from a cheap grocery store, and the outside ones are fairly highbrow but the ones inside the bundle are the dregs from from some former soviet bloc country and you kind of wish you could unsee them? That's how they were packaging mortgages.

The subprime debacle happened because the Bush administration deregulated the financial industry and put the foxes in charge of the hen house. The reason the too-big-to-fails were making loans to anyone with a pulse is because they were making a TON of money in upfront fees and knew they could just offload the loans afterwards to the secondary market, which in turn knew they could get the loans guaranteed by insurers and the government because no one was running quality control. They weren't being forced to do anything. They were rolling in dough and laughing all the way.

With the lending industry all but dead from late 2007 to mid 2010 or so, I got into the foreclosure side of things. Many of the people who lost their homes were those who'd refinanced 2 or 3 times as values were going up and treated their homes like ATMs, pulling cash out and spending it on toys and vacations. A lot were just the folks who got burned by the recession - when they bought or refinanced their house they were doing fine. Then a job was lost, hours were cut back, etc. and they couldn't make the payments anymore. But a whole lot of them just should never have gotten a loan in the first place but were able to because of crooked loan officers, crooked appraisers, crooked underwriters and a willful lack of oversight by those who were supposed to be watching. And lots of people got rich off those bad mortgage. I knew loan officers who were making $60k a month.

The bottom line is that the crash of 2007 had nothing to do with 1990's policies and no one can prove it did. It had to do with 2000's policies. You can claim that blaming Bush for something that happened 7 years into his administration is just a liberal talking point, but I contend that blaming Clinton (or some like to even go back all the way to Carter - conveniently skipping over 2 more Republican presidents, of course) is just a conservative talking point, and a much less believable one at that.
^ This right here...right on point. My wife works for Fannie and she talked about this same exact thing all the time. She's also been working in the mortgage industry for over 20 years.

Gotta love it how all the "experts" who haven't worked a day on the inside think they know something...
Con Artist is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 03:01 PM   #111
Jeeper
 
CMA_Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hixson, TN
Posts: 3,167
Send a message via Yahoo to CMA_Rider
There goes wallstreet
__________________
2003 White TJ Sport 4.0 5 speed D44 w/ Aussie Locker 3.73 tow pkg 3"BDS, 4"N20 Shocks 1.25bl 1.25mml Swaybarless-F&R 33x12.50r15
2001 customized Suzuki Intruder 1500 100hp Harley Killer
70 CJ5 Build
CMA_Rider is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 04:04 PM   #112
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 45
Damn now I really do need to get out of the northeast! But where can you go for freedom now?
SeniorJeeper is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 04:30 PM   #113
Newb
 
Hillbilly Mac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: West BY GOD Virginia
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
Ummm, you paid for it before you took it....that's payment, not a handout
I appreciate you thinking so. I've met many who do not.
Hillbilly Mac is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 05:05 PM   #114
Jeeper
 
Baby Huey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Western Washington County Oregon
Posts: 1,104
Obama, Soros, Clintons, UN.... Thats a REALLY bad combination for America....


Just my opinion...... Good Luck America ! "BH"
__________________
07-JKU-X /Poison spider Evap.Skid/Master craft grab handles/Or-Fab spare tire-can carrier/ Gibson SS Duals/ Q-tec Floor Liners/Hidden Hitch Receiver/ AntennaX 7inch/ 48" Hi-Lift./ 8"X16"X4"bs Steel smoothie wheels/ 265X75R-16 Kelly Safari TSR tarz.

Viet Nam Veteran 69-70, Troop "D" (AIR) 3/4 Cav. ,25th Inf. Div. CUCHI RVN. UH-1H Crew Chief of the "Pinball Wizard" 68-16224. Call Sign "CENTAUR".
Baby Huey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 07:57 PM   #115
Jeeper
 
RUBICON LARRY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: ALBANY OREGON
Posts: 19
Hope we all stay in the USA and fight hard to fix this mess no matter what side of the fence we are on. Going to CANADA doesn't help the country.
RUBICON LARRY is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 08:04 PM   #116
Jeeper
 
sonofabeach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Green Cove Springs, Fl.
Posts: 1,696
I don't like how people assume that all democrats want handouts. I certainly don't.
I know plenty of republicans that are getting over on the system too.
__________________
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead"
sonofabeach is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 08:48 PM   #117
Jeeper
 
BlueRidgeYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,917
Wow, I went to work and my little thread is all grown up

Savings and Loan debacle wasn't Reagans fault (as much as I want to say it was), dot com wasn't Clintons, and the housing wasn't Bushs or Obamas.

See a pattern? Bankers get into Congress, and where they can't they buy in, on both sides. They clean out the register and leave you, me, and that guy standing here talking about the Dem or Repub or Lib or Consrv that took all the money. Uh, the bankers took your money, man. They paid politicians to be strong arms.

What about jobs? In the 70s a few powerful individuals realized the low labor manufacturing potential of Asia, so they sent major players to open trade. Over 15 years they did, very successfully, and as a result many jobs went overseas. To help 'curtail' this in the 90s we signed NAFTA, which really just gave MORE cheap labor options out of the US. We haven't seen any signs of slowing. Major players, household names, on both sides were involved. I'm not listing them to keep partisan nonsense out of it. Cheaper labor means higher profits, and that is just good capitalism and responsibility to shareholders.

Your government is bought and paid for. Unfortunately you didn't buy it. But by all means, keep arguing the flavor of the Koolaide.

I like schools, firestations, etc. not because I feel for everyone, but because they keep people from taking my things away from me. I also like social programs for the same reason. While there is a small (relative to total population) percentage of folks that would rather sit on their kiester, most would like the chance to work. That said, it isn't the federal govts job to do this.

I know probably 50 people between 25-35 underemployed, unemployed, or who have started a company to have work. Most of the are college educated, and now have troubles with student loans as they try to establish lives with wives and children. These are people doing what the were told to do by their parents. People who vote. Who paid taxes since they were 17. Some of whom served. Who want to work, but can't, because the 'super' generation made some stellar decisions about who controls congress (the individuals, not the affiliation), and deficets not mattering. To hear talk of 'generation lazy' is just infuriating. Maybe we should've had better role models - who could run a fiscal house, share, play nice with others, and do unto others what you would do to yourself.

The same tired politics result in the same tired policies. We need an awakening; it doesn't have to be this way.
__________________
“Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
BlueRidgeYJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 08:57 PM   #118
Jeeper
 
ed98208's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 390
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofabeach View Post
I don't like how people assume that all democrats want handouts. I certainly don't.
I know plenty of republicans that are getting over on the system too.
Ironically the states with the greatest poverty, the highest illiteracy, lowest education levels and highest collection of entitlements and federal funding are red states. Those states with the highest incomes, most education, least federal funding and lowest number of people collecting entitlements are blue states.
ed98208 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 08:57 PM   #119
Jeeper
 
BlueRidgeYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,917
And abortion is a financial decision. For the cost of a resort weekend, those with the ability simply fly to England to take RU486 or whatever it is. It is an economic issue, not a social issue. Don't kid yourselves.
__________________
“Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
BlueRidgeYJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2012, 08:58 PM   #120
Jeeper
 
BlueRidgeYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,917
Quote:
Originally Posted by ed98208

Ironically the states with the greatest poverty, the highest illiteracy, lowest education levels and highest collection of entitlements and federal funding are red states. Those states with the highest incomes, most education, least federal funding and lowest number of people collecting entitlements are blue states.
You forgot highest infant mortality rates, also. Always red Mississippi is higher than Puerto Rico. Care until birth, then you are on your own. After all, health care is not a right, right?

Kindof like how studies have shown FOX viewers are less informed than people who watch no news or read any papers.

__________________
“Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
BlueRidgeYJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:02 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC