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Old 03-25-2010, 12:24 PM   #1
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marijuana legalization in California

I'm curious as to whether the legalization of recreational marijuana use will pass here in California, especially since Prop8 shockingly passed.

Marijuana legalization will be on California ballot | Reuters

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(Reuters) - A California voter initiative that would legalize possession and sale of marijuana has qualified for the November ballot, state election officials said on Wednesday, in what supporters called a "watershed moment" for their cause.

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Old 03-25-2010, 12:28 PM   #2
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Well it won't if a certain church starts a front organization to oppose it and funnels in a few million in cash.

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Old 03-25-2010, 12:32 PM   #3
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Well it won't if a certain church starts a front organization to oppose it and funnels in a few million in cash.
What church? Was that the cause of the Prop8 debacle?


** Never mind, looked it up. I'd forgotten that part.
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I hope so. Then I can go to California and hang out with my hippie buddies in a van.
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I've said it before. Not that I condone recreational drug use, the profits made from legalizing and taxing it would fix the economy once and for all. It would reduce the strain on the judicial system (less tax dollars), free up room in prisons (less tax dollars), promote tourism (increase in revenue) plus about a million other things.

On the down side, companies will bastardize it and offer up a less quality product just to make a buck.

I imagine these will be popping up all over once it passes...



And YES it will pass. Because young voters and Pot proponents who didn't bother to vote for or against Prop 8 or the Presidential election, will come out in droves to vote yes on this one. Hell, they'll probably even apply for new legislation to change the state flag.



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The Mormon Church put out millions of dollars for the "Yes on Prop. 8" campaign. The elders spoke from the pulpit and told their members to contribute not only their money, but their time. It also appears that they are the power behind NOM (the National Organization for Marriage) and are funding fights against gay marriage in several states. NOM refuses to file the required disclosure statements about their contributors, and are being investigated in several states.
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I hope so. Then I can go to California and hang out with my hippie buddies in a van.
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I read that the growers in Humboldt County are against the legalization of pot. It will reduce the value of their crop. They met recently to consider other ways of making money similar to the wine country tours.
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I read that the growers in Humboldt County are against the legalization of pot. It will reduce the value of their crop. They met recently to consider other ways of making money similar to the wine country tours.
Bah, all they have to do is specialize. Create their own strain and keep control of it. No matter what the product is, cars, food, clothing, marijuana, all you have to do is create your own quality brand and make sure you stay ahead of the curve. Free markets encourage growth and innovation, and (pardon the term) weed out the ones who can't cut it.
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i'm curious. blazin420, you would support this bill? or not so much?
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This will just be another income stream for the politicians that will "fund" more entitlements or the new word "rights". I guess the Dim's new plan is to just keep everybody high so we won't know what they are doing with our money!
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"Banning marijuana outright has been a disaster, fueling a massive, increasingly brutal underground economy, wasting billions in scarce law enforcement resources and making criminals out of countless law-abiding citizens,"
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Under the initiative, simple possession of an ounce (28.5 grams) or less of marijuana, currently a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $100 fine
Unless the punishment has changed recenlty, the part about 100 dollar fine is not correct. Last I heard the fine for possession of under an ounce was over 200 dollars . . . but that's just part of it . . . where they get you is making you think that all you need to do is pay the fine like any other minor citation for jaywalking, etc, and you'll be done with it. Where they get you is after you pay the fine, which is an admission of guilt, the CA DMV will then suspend your license for 6 months, regardless of whether you were driving or anywhere near a vehicle. So now, you get to deal with the increased insurance costs as a driver that has had your license suspended, will probably lose your job if driving is part of it or at least have to make the decision to break the law and risk further punishment by driving on a suspended license or not be able to make a living because you can't get to work. I know, I know, against the law no sympathy . . . but thought some might find these little fun facts interesting. Until it's legalized . . . if you do get popped in CA, do yourself a favor . . . do not pay the fine . . . instead, cut your hippy hair, shave your goatee, put on a tie and go stand in front of the judge.
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I've said it before. Not that I condone recreational drug use, the profits made from legalizing and taxing it would fix the economy once and for all. It would reduce the strain on the judicial system (less tax dollars), free up room in prisons (less tax dollars), promote tourism (increase in revenue) plus about a million other things.

On the down side, companies will bastardize it and offer up a less quality product just to make a buck.

I imagine these will be popping up all over once it passes...



And YES it will pass. Because young voters and Pot proponents who didn't bother to vote for or against Prop 8 or the Presidential election, will come out in droves to vote yes on this one. Hell, they'll probably even apply for new legislation to change the state flag.



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Being a Californian I totally agree with you except it won't help the budget deficit because these idiots in Sacramento will just think they've got more to spend. Now if we could get rid of everyone there and start with a new slate they might be good for at least a term or two!
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I'm all for legalization but there should be some sort of age limit, like alcohol.
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I'm all for legalization but there should be some sort of age limit, like alcohol.
Based on the article it looks like the age requirement would be 21 just like alcohol.
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well hears the deal. even if they do legalize it in cali. it would not mean any thing the law that bans wed is a federal law there for a single state can not out rule the federal law. a state can make a federal law more stringent as far as for example the punishment. but if the ban law was a state law than yes but alas it's not sorry guys!!!! but yes your right if it was legal than the money made would pay off alot of our debts!!
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Wasn't prohibition a federally mandated law as well?
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well hears the deal. even if they do legalize it in cali. it would not mean any thing the law that bans wed is a federal law there for a single state can not out rule the federal law. a state can make a federal law more stringent as far as for example the punishment. but if the ban law was a state law than yes but alas it's not sorry guys!!!! but yes your right if it was legal than the money made would pay off alot of our debts!!
I thought Obama had already directed the Fed to not interfere with state decisions when it comes to marijuana. We were having issues where the Fed was coming in and raiding the "medical" marijuana dispenseries that the state had approved. Since that direction from Obama, I have not heard of any raids conducted by the Fed. Wouldn't this be the same? If the state decides to legalize it, and the fed decides to stay out of state affairs, then shouldn't this be a non issue?
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yes and no. the feds can stay out if they want, but in the end they can still do what ever they want with it because the federal law has yet to be changed. for now its linda like turning a blind eye, give an inch they'll take a mile. if cali isn't carful the feds will step in and will make it where no one can have wed in cali. but in oder for it to change the federal law has to change.
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yes and no. the feds can stay out if they want, but in the end they can still do what ever they want with it because the federal law has yet to be changed. for now its linda like turning a blind eye, give an inch they'll take a mile. if cali isn't carful the feds will step in and will make it where no one can have wed in cali. but in oder for it to change the federal law has to change.
I hear ya. Seems risky at this point as if someone else takes office in a couple of years with a different view, things could change very quickly. You won't see me opening a club until the federal law changes.
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Prohibition failed because of the uncontrollable amount of bootlegging and by being eventually controlled by organized crime syndicates.Sound familiar?The crime orginizations imported alchohol from canada into chicago,thus making it almost impossible to restrain.This day and age,the mexican cartels are shipping so much pot across the border that the feds can only hinder a 1/3 of all import.Maybe less now.Why send all this money into the drug cartels when we could be keeping it in the country to absord some or most of our own costs?Deficit,healthcare,education.Because a scholarship from uncle joe's potfarm doesn't sit well with the antiques in charge.
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I agree with everything you said baja. I'm not a user but it would definitely decrease our national debt astonishingly, especially when the feds tax the hell out of it.
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I agree with everything you said baja. I'm not a user but it would definitely decrease our national debt astonishingly, especially when the feds tax the hell out of it.
Exactly why some users don't want it to be legalized . . . the taxes might drive the price way up. If that happens, we'll probably just see the black market step back in . . . the black market has been successfully supplying weed to millions of Americans for decades and I'm sure they'll be happy to continue to do the Lord's work! God bless the black market!!!
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Exactly why some users don't want it to be legalized . . . the taxes might drive the price way up. If that happens, we'll probably just see the black market step back in . . . the black market has been successfully supplying weed to millions of Americans for decades and I'm sure they'll be happy to continue to do the Lord's work! God bless the black market!!!
lol, which I don't mind either but if it is legalized then growing it shouldn't be a problem, then you wouldn't have to pay. Kinda like make your own beer kits, but might as well help out our deficit in the process.
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Well... Baja said it. "Antiques in charge". We are still living in a society that has those damned 1950's public service films saying that Marijuana, Premarital sex and nudity are all tools the Communists use to threaten our freedom in the back of our minds. Europe never had these ads and they show nekkid boobies on puplic TV! Where are our nekkid Boobies?!

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