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Old 10-14-2010, 06:45 PM   #31
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To be honest I can't really say anything about the marines or the army. But I am in the process of joining the navy. (Physical and ASVAB on the 3rd of November wish me luck!) But I can say finding a couple of good recruiters which can be a challenge would help him out greatly in deciding which branch to go with. I got lucky my recruiter has given me a straight up and honest answer to every question I have asked him. Good luck with it.

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I also got a chance to cross-train with some of the NATO member's sniper teams. The Brits and the Canuks have some pretty damn impressive sniper teams. I learned A LOT from working with them.

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Same here, not intentionally trying to bash or defend either since I am Navy and our snipers don't really compare.... yet

Except for the one who took the shot from the deck of the USS Bainbridge that took out the Somalia pirate on a moving boat.
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Same here, not intentionally trying to bash or defend either since I am Navy and our snipers don't really compare.... yet

Except for the one who took the shot from the deck of the USS Bainbridge that took out the Somalia pirate on a moving boat.
That was a badass shot by a badass sniper.

I would love to meet that guy and pick his brain.

I've fired from a number of dynamic platforms, and I can tell you how hard that shot was. I was VERY impressed with that sniper. (I think the entire world was impressed with him )
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Ok so what he is actually specifically interested in is:

Army: Cav Scout, Infantry, MP
Marines: Infantry, MP
Navy: Corpsman

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Keebler KO... were you Cav Scout he says that is what he is looking into.
Yep, 19D. What Jerry says about the regular Army guys is true. There's a lot of people wearing the uniform that should not be in my opinion. It's obvious that with the ongoing conflicts the Army will take just about anyone they can get. There's a lot of folks that don't have pride in the Army.

Maybe I watched too many movies growing up, but the last 3 1/2 years was not the Army I thought it would be. That's one of many reasons why I got out. Putting on the uniform every day felt like a mockery to the veterans of yesterday.

Veteran is a title I will never willingly accept because of this.
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Ok so what he is actually specifically interested in is:

Army: Cav Scout, Infantry, MP
Marines: Infantry, MP
Navy: Corpsman

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I started life as an Infantryman in the Army, then went to a handful of schools and worked my way out of FORSCOM. I loved it.

One of my best friends is a Navy Corpsman and he loves it. He's attached to a Marine Infantry unit and gets to do some fun stuff with their Infantry.

Let's face it, an MP is usually the most hated job in the military. Nothing against MPs, it's usually just a bum rap. Most of the military views it as a peer whose job it is is to arrest fellow soldiers, marines, airman, seamen. If he wants a job in law enforcement (post military), then he can get some high-speed training as an Infantryman that will carry over very well to the civilian law enforcement community. A good background in combat tactics and security like you get when you're an Infantryman will make him more marketable when it comes time to find a job in law enforcement.

If he wants to amp things up, he can go Force Recon if he decides to go Marines, or he can go Ranger or SF in the Army, then get a job with a private contractor (like Triple Canopy ) That pays EXTREMELY well and gives you enough down-time to do your own thing as well.
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Thanks Keebler that's something he'll have to keep in mind,......for all you other soldiers my dad (marine of 8 years-infantry) showed this link a friend showed him. It's pretty cool, take a look.

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Ok so what he is actually specifically interested in is:

Army: Cav Scout, Infantry, MP
Marines: Infantry, MP
Navy: Corpsman

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E-4 and below 19D and 11B are very similar. As Cav it's very possible to be sent to an Infantry Batallion. As Infantry its very possible to be sent to a Cavalry Squadron. He'd also be expected to learn and perform the key tasks of the oposite MOS if he's one of the few that gets shuffled in the mix.

One benefit to MP is that while in garrison you have a clear, defined job to perform. Whereas 19D or 11B it's 0630 PT with work call formation usually at 0900, and then they find busy work for the day if there's no training going on. It'll vary by unit, but if he gets Ft. Lewis as his first duty station he can expect a lot of "are we actually going to do anything today?" if 19D for sure.
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If he wants to amp things up, he can go Force Recon if he decides to go Marines, or he can go Ranger or SF in the Army, then get a job with a private contractor (like Triple Canopy ) That pays EXTREMELY well and gives you enough down-time to do your own thing as well.
He says he thought about that..how long is training usually for Marine Recon. My friends that were Marine Infantry men fought and viewed Recon as a "waste of their time" because they were fighting anyway so why go through all of that training.

I also heard about a new thing that the Army will put SF in your contract? No 3 year waiting period? Although he is more interested in Airborne for the Army.

Sorry for all the questions but it does help him to get input from people besides my family of ex marines and recruiters
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Yep, 19D. What Jerry says about the regular Army guys is true. There's a lot of people wearing the uniform that should not be in my opinion. It's obvious that with the ongoing conflicts the Army will take just about anyone they can get. There's a lot of folks that don't have pride in the Army.

Maybe I watched too many movies growing up, but the last 3 1/2 years was not the Army I thought it would be. That's one of many reasons why I got out. Putting on the uniform every day felt like a mockery to the veterans of yesterday.

Veteran is a title I will never willingly accept because of this.
Sounds like a crappy experience you had. I'm glad I had the exact opposite experience in my time in the Army. I guess it all depends on what unit you get assigned to. Did you ever give any thought about changing duty stations? A couple of phone calls to your branch will usually work wonders.

How about schools? Did you get to go to any fun high-speed schools? Did you want to? Did you do anything to better your situation? No one will take better care of you than YOU. If you didn't do anything to better your situation, then it's hardly fair to blame the Army. If you did EVERYTHING you could do, and it all fell flat, then you can blame the Army. I'm not calling you out on this, just want some more details about why it was so bad for you.
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He says he thought about that..how long is training usually for Marine Recon. My friends that were Marine Infantry men fought and viewed Recon as a "waste of their time" because they were fighting anyway so why go through all of that training.

I also heard about a new thing that the Army will put SF in your contract? No 3 year waiting period? Although he is more interested in Airborne for the Army.

Sorry for all the questions but it does help him to get input from people besides my family of ex marines and recruiters
You don't get SF in your contract, you get SF RECRUIT in your contract, or 18x. Once you make it through basic, you'll go to Airborne school. After that you'll go to SFAS at Bragg. Fail that, and you'll get sloughed off to 82nd Airborne. Pass SFAS and you'll continue on to the Q Course, and on and on and on..........but it's GREAT training.
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You don't get SF in your contract, you get SF RECRUIT in your contract, or 18x. Once you make it through basic, you'll go to Airborne school. After that you'll go to SFAS at Bragg. Fail that, and you'll get sloughed off to 82nd Airborne. Pass SFAS and you'll continue on to the Q Course, and on and on and on..........but it's GREAT training.
Were you SF, Ranger, or Airborne? He is very interested in this and picking one of those is probably the only way he wont be harassed by my family for choosing army.

He is a very fit kid. But as a football player like me (he plays linebacker) hes thick. All muscle, but thick. He thinks this would hurt him because the tests are on pushups, pull ups etc... the kid can bench 335 but can barley do 50 push ups..should he fear this
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I didn't even care. I joined and did what I did because it was a challenge and it excited me. For MOST people though, it only makes sense to get a job in the military that will cross over to civilian life.
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Were you SF, Ranger, or Airborne? He is very interested in this and picking one of those is probably the only way he wont be harassed by my family for choosing army.

He is a very fit kid. But as a football player like me (he plays linebacker) hes thick. All muscle, but thick. He thinks this would hurt him because the tests are on pushups, pull ups etc... the kid can bench 335 but can barley do 50 push ups..should he fear this
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That was a badass shot by a badass sniper.

I would love to meet that guy and pick his brain.

I've fired from a number of dynamic platforms, and I can tell you how hard that shot was. I was VERY impressed with that sniper. (I think the entire world was impressed with him )
That's a SEAL Team marksman for you.
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Thats a fact..some people dont have a clue
I do have a clue, you arent the only one that gets to wear flashy ribbons in their uniforms, and i wasnt trash talking the army, i served with plenty of fine soldiers, but from an operators perspective, the army has alot more "safe" jobs than the marines. Every marine is a rifleman
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Ok so what he is actually specifically interested in is:

Army: Cav Scout, Infantry, MP
Marines: Infantry, MP
Navy: Corpsman

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If he were Navy corpsman he'd be with the Corps pretty much since their medics are Navy Corpsmen. Not unless he wants to be a Hospital Corpsmen
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I do have a clue, you arent the only one that gets to wear flashy ribbons in their uniforms, and i wasnt trash talking the army, i served with plenty of fine soldiers, but from an operators perspective, the army has alot more "safe" jobs than the marines. Every marine is a rifleman
That's a common counter, but unless a person performs the job of rifleman EVERYDAY (i.e. a real Infantryman), he's only rifleman QUALIFIED. Huge difference. Just because a Marine cook begins life as a rifleman doesn't mean he's equal in skills to the average Infantryman.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just pointing out that the "Every Marine is a rifleman" argument doesn't hold water. Unless you train continually as an Infantryman, you're not an Infantryman. It's a great base for training, and it's great that the Marines do that, but that particular argument is played out.
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Served 6 years in the Army. Stationed at gung ho bases like Ft. Bragg to laid back places in Germany... I was in Army Aviation and was deployed a lot. The people were great and very professional. I chose the Army over Air Force and Marines because they guaranteed me the MOS I wanted...not a 'job field' where they stick you in one of 5 MOS's that they need bodies in.... Read all of the fine print and discuss what the recruiters are telling you with Veterans BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING.
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Served 6 years in the Army. Stationed at gung ho bases like Ft. Bragg to laid back places in Germany... I was in Army Aviation and was deployed a lot. The people were great and very professional. I chose the Army over Air Force and Marines because they guaranteed me the MOS I wanted...not a 'job field' where they stick you in one of 5 MOS's that they need bodies in.... Read all of the fine print and discuss what the recruiters are telling you with Veterans BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING.
Amen. I got EXACTLY what I wanted in my contract. I didn't have to make ANY compromises.
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Having served 8 years in the Marines I'm partial to them. I enjoyed my time but bootcamp was tough and it wasn't easy. I had a lot of fun though and made life long friends. All branches have good and bad elements to them and they can all be dangerous. The one thing I have noticed is the pride and dedication that most Marines have for the Corps. It is different than the other branches of the military.

The Army is very large with a lot more personnel than the Marines. So they can't be as selective at times as the Marines since they have so many spots to fill.

I would say I agree with other posters. He should talk to all the recruiters and see who offers the best deal. You won't get an Airborne offer from the Marines because they don't have that option. The Marines are a maritime force trained for land and sea operations with fixed and rotar wing air support. Two different missions completely.

He should also pay attention to the news. He will see which branch has been sent into major hotspots like Falujah and Helmland Province. There is a reason for that.

Either way I wish him luck and respect his desire to serve his country. At the end of the day, no matter which branch he chooses, we are all US Military. We talk crap about each other because of the pride we have in our service but we would all take up for each other against the enemy any day.
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Either way I wish him luck and respect his desire to serve his country. At the end of the day, no matter which branch he chooses, we are all US Military. We talk crap about each other because of the pride we have in our service but we would all take up for each other against the enemy any day.
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Sounds like a crappy experience you had. I'm glad I had the exact opposite experience in my time in the Army. I guess it all depends on what unit you get assigned to. Did you ever give any thought about changing duty stations? A couple of phone calls to your branch will usually work wonders.

How about schools? Did you get to go to any fun high-speed schools? Did you want to? Did you do anything to better your situation? No one will take better care of you than YOU. If you didn't do anything to better your situation, then it's hardly fair to blame the Army. If you did EVERYTHING you could do, and it all fell flat, then you can blame the Army. I'm not calling you out on this, just want some more details about why it was so bad for you.

There-in lies the problem. My first unit was crap, so I was not willing to risk more of my time on the chance the grass wouldn't be greener on the other side.

Early on I realised being my own person again was the best course of action.

Everyone said I should be an NCO. They sent me to a Soldier of the Month Board as practice for sending me to the promotion board. But I wasn't interested in promotion. The first thing people would say is, "but it's more money" and look at me like I was crazy. I even told the CO once I refused to be an NCO and explained that there's a lot of people "around here" that shouldn't be leaders and that I would not join the ranks of a group that didn't practice what they preach.

Married Staff Sergeants having girl friends while deployed, soldiers drinking while deployed to the point a Staff Sergeant and Sergeant get into a fight...and yet no one gets in trouble, having to have my hand held to visit S1 (according to S1) to square stuff away because apparently a Specialist can't sqaure himself away without daddy NCO, maintenance Mondays that turned into maintenance week going back and forth to the motorpool to do more random tasks because the lines of communication above me are broken, all the middle-men...EVERYWHERE for EVERYTHING, Squadron says they're putting together an Arabic class for the upcoming deployment...cool I'll take the DLAB..."Hey, I passed, when is that Arabic class?" ...cancelled???, Platoon Segeants that have no coherent thought beyond "82nd, Hoah!?", Sergeants that when told to use their PEQ-15 to point out where he just saw some dudes laying wire who then says over internal vehicle coms: "Dude I don't even know how to use this thing." and then tries to use a tac light to "paint a target" over 600m away....on a mission...with 1SG riding on the 4 truck ("OMG...you asshole" lol). Etc.

Our medic was fond of saying I'm one of those people he doesn't understand why I joined the military because I'm not military. He was right. Sure I could have tried floating a 4187 across the desk, but when you don't even remember why you joined the cause it's best to make room for those that do.

It was, however a learning experience and I'm a more rounded person today. Not better. Not worse. Just more rounded.
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There-in lies the problem. My first unit was crap, so I was not willing to risk more of my time on the chance the grass wouldn't be greener on the other side.

Early on I realised being my own person again was the best course of action.

Everyone said I should be an NCO. They sent me to a Soldier of the Month Board as practice for sending me to the promotion board. But I wasn't interested in promotion. The first thing people would say is, "but it's more money" and look at me like I was crazy. I even told the CO once I refused to be an NCO and explained that there's a lot of people "around here" that shouldn't be leaders and that I would not join the ranks of a group that didn't practice what they preach.

Married Staff Sergeants having girl friends while deployed, soldiers drinking while deployed to the point a Staff Sergeant and Sergeant get into a fight...and yet no one gets in trouble, having to have my hand held to visit S1 (according to S1) to square stuff away because apparently a Specialist can't sqaure himself away without daddy NCO, maintenance Mondays that turned into maintenance week going back and forth to the motorpool to do more random tasks because the lines of communication above me are broken, all the middle-men...EVERYWHERE for EVERYTHING, Squadron says they're putting together an Arabic class for the upcoming deployment...cool I'll take the DLAB..."Hey, I passed, when is that Arabic class?" ...cancelled???, Platoon Segeants that have no coherent thought beyond "82nd, Hoah!?", Sergeants that when told to use their PEQ-15 to point out where he just saw some dudes laying wire who then says over internal vehicle coms: "Dude I don't even know how to use this thing." and then tries to use a tac light to "paint a target" over 600m away....on a mission...with 1SG riding on the 4 truck ("OMG...you asshole" lol). Etc.

Our medic was fond of saying I'm one of those people he doesn't understand why I joined the military because I'm not military. He was right. Sure I could have tried floating a 4187 across the desk, but when you don't even remember why you joined the cause it's best to make room for those that do.

It was, however a learning experience and I'm a more rounded person today. Not better. Not worse. Just more rounded.
Man, I'm sorry you had to put up with that crap. A good NCO should have told you about getting a phone call to your Branch. If you would have explained your dilemma to your Branch, I'm sure he would have transferred you to a different unit. That's their job (among other things). If there's a discipline problem in a company, then the Unit SGM should have been notified. That sucks. Sounds like you got stuck in a horrible unit. I've never heard of a unit that sounds that bad. Definitely not the people I'd want to deploy with, that's for sure.
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respect his desire to serve his country. At the end of the day, no matter which branch he chooses, we are all US Military. We talk crap about each other because of the pride we have in our service but we would all take up for each other against the enemy any day.
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There's a lot of folks that don't have pride in the Army.

Veteran is a title I will never willingly accept because of this.

That'll help...

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E-4 and below 19D and 11B are very similar. As Cav it's very possible to be sent to an Infantry Batallion. As Infantry its very possible to be sent to a Cavalry Squadron. He'd also be expected to learn and perform the key tasks of the oposite MOS if he's one of the few that gets shuffled in the mix.

One benefit to MP is that while in garrison you have a clear, defined job to perform. Whereas 19D or 11B it's 0630 PT with work call formation usually at 0900, and then they find busy work for the day if there's no training going on. It'll vary by unit, but if he gets Ft. Lewis as his first duty station he can expect a lot of "are we actually going to do anything today?" if 19D for sure.
X2 on that MP's have a mission no matter where they go, and that's a very good thing, but that mission might make it harder to get slots in Airborne and Ranger school or SFAS
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Same here, not intentionally trying to bash or defend either since I am Navy and our snipers don't really compare.... yet

Um... SEALs???

Except for the one who took the shot from the deck of the USS Bainbridge that took out the Somalia pirate on a moving boat.
3 bad guys, 3 shots, 3 shooters (I think)

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That's a SEAL Team marksman for you.
You should see the accuracy standards for DevGru.
I know the instructor who taught that team of SEALs(more than one fired). Three SEALs were aboard that vessel.
That's what I was thinking...


I am a civilian and therefore have no dog in this race. I appreciate those who are willing to serve. I can never thank you enough. I have enjoyed reading this thread. Now to slightly lighten things up a little...

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