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Old 02-19-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Maybe there is hope for the future of the US...

Dobson students question Obama's plan | Mesa Arizona News - Mesa News - Mesa AZ news | eastvalleytribune.com

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A Dobson High School Advanced Placement government class with strong opinions about Barack Obama watched the president's speech Wednesday on a small, grainy TV in the corner of their classroom.

Some of the students attentively watched the speech, giving questioning looks and comments, shaking their heads and laughing at some of Obama's words. Other students listened, occasionally glancing up to watch, while texting on their cell phones, reading a book or finishing school work.

The gymnasium's events were shown simultaneously in rooms throughout the Mesa school, and teachers were given discretion on whether to show the speech, the students said.

The students in the class were hopeful things will work out but questioned whether Obama's plan would actually work to dig the country out of its economic woes. They also expected a longer speech.

Senior Syna Daudfar took some notes during the speech and was among the most vocally opposed to Obama's words.

At one point, when he talked about the costs of his stimulus plan, senior Maaike Albach and Daudfar looked at each other and said, "uh-oh."

"Overall I think it's a good idea, but he's not addressing the issues of the economic crisis," said Daudfar, a John McCain supporter who added he leans more toward being a moderate conservative. "The spending bill he just passed is just progressing the Democratic agenda rather than addressing the economic issues in the country."

Daudfar thinks Obama's plan is backward and deals with the "less important stuff" first. "Bailing out businesses" and "providing better regulatory systems for giving out money to businesses" should have been first, he said.

"If businesses can't afford to hire people, then people won't be able to work and pay off their mortgages," he said. "It's kind of like putting money into a funnel."

Albach, who is also a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good but questioned how Obama can want to rely on "people's responsibility" when that is "what got us in this economic crisis in the first place."

"This puts us more into debt," said Albach, 18. "It's a horrible situation we're in."

Senior Brandon Miller wore a shirt with the words, "Hitler gave great speeches, too" above a picture of Obama.

Miller said he had been an Obama supporter "because of his speeches," but after debating the issues in this class and looking more into Obama's policies, his vote was swayed toward McCain.

He showed a video on his camera he had just taken of the president's minute long motorcade and talked about what a "great experience" it was to watch it. Miller had also spent a couple of hours in front of the school, hanging out and watching the protesters.

"Even though I don't support him, I think it's cool he's here," said Miller, 18. "I just don't believe all the things he's telling us. His goal is just too big and broad."

Miller wanted to hear more about the costs and guidelines the stimulus bill entails.

Senior Katelyn Meyer, who also leans more toward being a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good, "but it's easier said than done."

"I like the refinancing part, and I like the part about mortgages, but I'm afraid we're going to put the money in but won't see any effect," said Meyer, 18, who still thought it was "cool" to say the president was at her school, even though she didn't get to see him live.

The students also questioned why Obama chose their school for his speech since he wasn't talking about education and wondered how much money the district spent on beautifying the campus while district positions and services are being cut.

District officials noted this week that the landscaping project completed over the weekend at Dobson was already in the works and was just expedited by the president's visit. Funding came from voter-approved bonds.

New sod was laid in front of the school Tuesday, and Daudfar said, "The joke at the school is they're going to take it away when he (Obama) leaves."

AP government teacher Jeff Sherrer said his students "feel very strongly about the issues, maybe more than the general population." He thought at least one of his students was outside protesting, and he had planned to take his students outside as a class project to show them what was going on but didn't get the chance.

"These kinds of kids really get into it," Sherrer said. "During the election we had lots of debates on the issues."

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I think I like this school.

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Hitler also used the term “christian” repeatedly. Ever feel like the presidential rotation schedule feels a little like a good cop/bad cop routine?
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My sister went to that school. I guess one of the good things is that Dobson is a big snob, richy-rich school.
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Funny how they were from Arizona...McCain's home state. I'm sure there was no bias in the article.
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Those horrible dastardly people living in McCain's home state, how dare they have opinions.
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Funny how they were from Arizona...McCain's home state. I'm sure there was no bias in the article.
I'm from IL, obama's home state...all i have to say is, Screw him
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Those horrible dastardly people living in McCain's home state, how dare they have opinions.
Nice try at twisting my words. It just seems rather cooincidental that they are from Arizona.
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I'm from IL, obama's home state...all i have to say is, Screw him
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It was a really good twist too. Worked quite well.
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What you guys don't know is that the kids are McCains illegitimate children. True fact......
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My sister went to that school. I guess one of the good things is that Dobson is a big snob, richy-rich school.
I had friends that went there
they were all snobby brats, I hated that school
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Funny how they were from Arizona...McCain's home state. I'm sure there was no bias in the article.
Bias or not it's nice to see kids actually paying attention to the details and recognizing the fact that he's blowing smoke up everyone's ass.
You claim to understand economics, can you prove them wrong? Can you show us all how Obama's plan is going to save us?
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I could tell you how much better it is then the former bush's plan was. Wait BUSH was more worried about his daddies oil and his to give a rat's ass or 2. McDRAIN right with his daughter I mean counter part Mrs. Palin were a great choice. Were the biggest amount of people she had to "control" so to speak was around 25000 max then on top of that her biggest crisis in life was a moose blocking a major road lol. K enough bashing in all reality we are screwed if you like the new president or not. We will find out after 4 years if he is a good one or not. Takes about 3 to fix the last presidents issues. Wait Clinton was one of the best even while getting a BJ under the table. So yea Thanks Bush
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Nice try at twisting my words. It just seems rather cooincidental that they are from Arizona.
For crying out loud....he came TO Arizona, we didn't ask to have him here so OF COURSE they are going to be Arizonan opinions. Besides, most all of the people in my home state (Arizona) are not ORIGINALLY from here, they are all transplants so say whatever u want.
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Bias or not it's nice to see kids actually paying attention to the details and recognizing the fact that he's blowing smoke up everyone's ass.
You claim to understand economics, can you prove them wrong? Can you show us all how Obama's plan is going to save us?
I agree, it is good that kids are paying attention no matter their opinions.

You claim to understand economics, can you prove them right? Can you show us all how Obama's plan is going to kill us?

See, I can ask theoretical questions as well...
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It was a really good twist too. Worked quite well.
It did...
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My reason for posting this wasn't to start another political argument. My whole point was that some kids are paying attention and digging for facts. They're thinking for themselves, instead of just accepting the political propaganda, from either side of the isle.
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You claim to understand economics, can you prove them right? Can you show us all how Obama's plan is going to kill us?
I'm never afraid to support my positions.

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The students in the class were hopeful things will work out but questioned whether Obama's plan would actually work to dig the country out of its economic woes. They also expected a longer speech.
I question it as well. We have a history of similar attempts to look at which show such plans don't work.
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At one point, when he talked about the costs of his stimulus plan, senior Maaike Albach and Daudfar looked at each other and said, "uh-oh."
All the numbers being thrown around keep forgetting a few very important points.
One, they forget that this money will be borrowed and must be re payed with interest, this interest will add billions to the total.
Two, the so called "stimulus plan" has more expansions and creations of liberal programs than it does job creating projects. These programs aren't a one time thing, they must be funded over and over again.
Three, who's going to be lending the money to the government? those loans will be money that will no longer be available to invest in private industry which actually create long term employment.

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"Overall I think it's a good idea, but he's not addressing the issues of the economic crisis," said Daudfar, a John McCain supporter who added he leans more toward being a moderate conservative. "The spending bill he just passed is just progressing the Democratic agenda rather than addressing the economic issues in the country."
Largely accurate, the majority of the "stimulus plan" is payback for obama's political supporters and has little to do with "stimulating" the economy.

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Daudfar thinks Obama's plan is backward and deals with the "less important stuff" first. "Bailing out businesses" and "providing better regulatory systems for giving out money to businesses" should have been first, he said.

"If businesses can't afford to hire people, then people won't be able to work and pay off their mortgages," he said. "It's kind of like putting money into a funnel."
Seems pretty obvious to me...

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"This puts us more into debt," said Albach, 18. "It's a horrible situation we're in."
Again, seems pretty obvious. This will take generations to pay off and likely will never be payed off. We're still paying for the "New Deal" stupidity.

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Senior Brandon Miller wore a shirt with the words, "Hitler gave great speeches, too" above a picture of Obama.
This makes a great point and one that was lost on a great number of people this election. Judging a persons suitability for office based on their talent for public speaking is asinine at best.


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The students also questioned why Obama chose their school for his speech since he wasn't talking about education and wondered how much money the district spent on beautifying the campus while district positions and services are being cut.
Very valid question, when we're facing such an enormous financial disaster do you really think it's wise to fly the President and all his entourage to Arizona when this could more easily, safely and inexpensively been handled in the rose garden?

The government is not the economy, they can't spend us out of a recession.
The only way to bring about a strong economy is to spur business and nothing in obama's plan is geared toward doing that.

Mark Levey: Leave the New Deal in the History Books - WSJ.com

RealClearMarkets - Articles - Japan's 'Lost Decade' Argues Against Obama's Policies


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