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Old 01-19-2008, 09:10 PM   #1
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McCain wins here in South Carolina

Wasn't mu first choice because I feel he is week on immigration, but historically the SC winner usually goes on to get the nomination. I just hope he can debate whoever wins for the dems, I really think the one on one debates will show the winner out.

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I hate McCain, He's a traitor to his party and if he gets in he'll betray the country.
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I disagree, Hillary will bring out the anybody but her voters even among democrats.
Look at how much trouble she's having just trying to beat a political nobody with no message, The only thing Obama ever says is he "hopes for change" He has no plan, no policy and no experience and yet Hillary with the most powerful and experienced political machine in history is constantly having to apologize to him.
The media wants you to think Hillary is unstoppable but she isn't, she's detested even among her own party.
Unfortunately, so is McCain, he's betrayed the party over and over again on core issues and the republican base will be hard pressed to forgive that. We've voted Bush in twice and had to sit back and watch while he systematically destroyed the party.
So far this race has been completely manipulated by the media, their efforts to anoint candidates while burying others has been glaringly obvious.
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Skeeter I can't disagree with you but the American voting public is much more moderate now and McCain is a moderate within the Republican Party. Personally I am a hardcore conservative but I also don't want a democrat in office especially one who will grab my guns. So I have to chose the lesser of 2 evils. Politics will play a hand and I bet every Republican will back McCain. The Republicans don't want a democratic congress and a democrat in office. That will happen if they fight.

Oh I don't think Bush has run the Republican party in the ground. He is very much a hard core conservative like Ronny was. It's just that the political climate has gone to moderate within the party. In order for the party to stay alive it needs to go that direction. So i'll back a moderate until a better party more in line with my thinking comes along because once the party moves that direction..ain't no comin' back.
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Skeeter I can't disagree with you but the American voting public is much more moderate now
I really don't think they are, most of the people I talk to on a regular basis have gotten more conservative not less.
I know the media kept saying that was the reason the republicans lost so much in the last election but it really wasn't. We lost because the republicans got money hungry and started spending like drunken democrats.
The dems that won actually had to run on a conservative platform to beat the republicans.
Remember the amnesty fiasco? nobody in Washington expected such a large backlash from that, they were completely shocked how pissed off the electorate got and it was all because Americans are getting sick of the liberalization of our government.
Look at the news, Fox rules the roost with vastly superior ratings than the other three combined due the their slightly more conservative approach. All the top talk shows are conservative.
The top comedian in America is Jeff Foxworthy, far from a liberal.



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and McCain is a moderate within the Republican Party. Personally I am a hardcore conservative but I also don't want a democrat in office especially one who will grab my guns. So I have to chose the lesser of 2 evils. Politics will play a hand and I bet every Republican will back McCain. The Republicans don't want a democratic congress and a democrat in office. That will happen if they fight.
That's what gets us voting for the lessor of two evils rather than voting for the person best suited to run the country. We cannot afford to continue running and hiding from the socialists by voting for socialist light.
The silent majority in this country is very conservative and will stand up for their beliefs if given a leader.
Right now we keep letting the liberal media tell us who our leaders should be.

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Oh I don't think Bush has run the Republican party in the ground. He is very much a hard core conservative like Ronny was. It's just that the political climate has gone to moderate within the party. In order for the party to stay alive it needs to go that direction. So i'll back a moderate until a better party more in line with my thinking comes along because once the party moves that direction..ain't no comin' back.
I couldn't disagree with you more on this, Bush has been anything but conservative. everything from amnesty for illegals to having his justice department write a brief in support of DC's gun ban for the Heller case.
He's betrayed just about every facet of conservative ideology, he bloated the federal budget, increased federal powers, and handled the war horribly.
The only thing he's done well was cut taxes but he didn't bother to follow through and cut spending at the same time.

We had a 2 good conservative candidates in this race, Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, both were lambasted or buried by the media from the moment they entered the race.
Even one of our die hard, tree hugger liberal hippie friends noticed it.
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Skeet I'm with ya bro. I've been having this same conversation today on email with a friend. I've read some things recently that tell me that Fred is probably going to drop out of the race soon, especially after the showing in SC over the weekend. It saddens me if it does happen, but we all need to really focus on a good conservative choice to run our country for the next 8 years. You are right Gov't has really gotten out of control with Mr. Bush in office and I don't just think it's because of the war. I'm actually for the war and for our promoting freedom all over the world. If we have to flex our muscles and kick some skulls in to prove a point then so be it.

The first thing I told my buddy today was that I couldn't stand it if Rudy got the nod or McCain. I'm starting to be more on the Huckabee band wagon, but I also do not want someone preaching from the White House. That's another reason why I don't like Romney. Plus I think he spends too much of his time telling us why the other guys aren't good enough and not why he is. It's a tough election for both sides of the aisle this time. Even the liberals aren't sure who they can count on fooking our country up more.
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Interesting theories, maybe even a bit too right for me (And you know me), but he still has no shot at getting the nomination. He'll have to drop out soon also.
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If Ron had a real plan on how to get his ideas going I would vote for him. The problem is he has no real plan. Also, I don't care if my guy has no shot, Im going to vote for him. If more people were willing to vote outside the party or vote for who they think is best (not the less of two evil) this would be a much better race.
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If Ron had a real plan on how to get his ideas going I would vote for him. The problem is he has no real plan. Also, I don't care if my guy has no shot, Im going to vote for him. If more people were willing to vote outside the party or vote for who they think is best (not the less of two evil) this would be a much better race.
I do not disagree with you my friend. If Fred Thompson is still on Republican Primary ballot here on Feb. 5th, I will be putting his name down.
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sounds like most of the people on this forum are. well, at least rightys.

if gravel makes it im voting. if not, ill consider edwards
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McCain and Huckabee give me the shits. Thompson is getting my vote, and I am hoping for Romney if Thompson doesn't step up and show he can be a leader.
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I am for Fred Thompson as well but you can bet I won't be voting for Billary or Obama and their jack booted socialist party.
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Skeet I'm with ya bro. I've been having this same conversation today on email with a friend. I've read some things recently that tell me that Fred is probably going to drop out of the race soon, especially after the showing in SC over the weekend.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
That rumor has been "leaked" by one of his opponents and then spread by the media just before each primary vote. They never bother to check with the Thompson campaign before running the story even though he's vehemently denied it every time it's come up.
Would you be inclined to make much effort to go vote for a guy that you've been told is probably quitting anyway? his campaign has been deliberately sabotaged by the media.



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It saddens me if it does happen, but we all need to really focus on a good conservative choice to run our country for the next 8 years. You are right Gov't has really gotten out of control with Mr. Bush in office and I don't just think it's because of the war. I'm actually for the war and for our promoting freedom all over the world. If we have to flex our muscles and kick some skulls in to prove a point then so be it.
I'm for the war as well. We were attacked and we need to make it very clear that to do that is a very bad decision. I just think President Bush handled it very badly.
I disagree with the idea that we need to promote freedom or democracy all over the world. That is not the governments job, it is not why they exist. Our government is in business to keep US free. they have no duty to anyone but US.

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The first thing I told my buddy today was that I couldn't stand it if Rudy got the nod or McCain. I'm starting to be more on the Huckabee band wagon, but I also do not want someone preaching from the White House. That's another reason why I don't like Romney. Plus I think he spends too much of his time telling us why the other guys aren't good enough and not why he is. It's a tough election for both sides of the aisle this time. Even the liberals aren't sure who they can count on fooking our country up more.
I could live with Romney, he's a gun grabber but that can be stopped at congress.
Huckabee is a social and fiscal liberal, we can't afford that right now.
Giuliani is a big government authoritarian and a gun grabber.
McCain is a traitor who's done more for the demoncrats than he has for Republicans.
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Well we were dealt a pretty serious blow today. Fred has officially dropped out of the race.

Skeet, don't you think as the largest, greatest, and most prosperous nation on earth and the history of man kind that we owe it to the rest of the world to promote democracy and freedom? Kind of like how a community expects its largest business to support the community in things they do?
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For those who may be thinking that Romney is a conservative alternative, I am very concerned that Romney is not a conservative at all.

I am an avid consumer of conservative media. I have been quite startled since December with the tone of the criticism of Governor Huckabee's record by Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, GOPUSA.com, Townhall.com columnists, and others, along with an absence of criticism for Romney's record. I believe that there may be a conflict of interest between conservative media and Romney.

On Nov 16, 2006, Clear Channel Communications agreed to be acquired by Bain Capital and Thomas Lee Partners for nearly $19 billion. Bain Capital is the private equity firm founded by Mitt Romney in 1984; that he left in 2001 to head the 2002 Olympics; where he is still a silent partner. The sale was completed in Dec 2007 after 1 year of pending negotiations of a leveraged buyout agreement. Clear Channel owns more than 1,100 full-power AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations, twelve radio channels on XM Satellite Radio, and more than 30 television stations in the United States.

Premiere Radio Networks, which is the largest syndication company in the United States, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Clear Channel and is home to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, FOX NEWS Radio and many others. I saw that Premiere Radio Networks is transitioning to a new CEO Charlie Rahilly from Kraig Kitchin. Sean Hannity recently signed a large multi-market contract with Clear Channel.

No wonder FOX NEWS is backing Romney. He is part owner in the company.
Hmmmmmmmmm, very interesting.
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Skeeter you do make some fine points in your political views, it seems like you are more ready for change than most people. But to counter the opinion on Dr. Paul being a disater for the Americans on the world wide scale, I will have to disagree. Would you like to have military bases of foreign countries in your backyard; I believe we kicked out the British for one of those reasons. If we pulled our troops home we would have the best guarded borders in the world; troops for the embassies are different reason, that's Amercan soil. We need to stop being spread so thin, one of the many reasons empires in history have fallen( the Persians, Romans, Spanish, British, Soviets). I would like the government to first worry about the interior of the country, thats a lot of money spent over seas. Half of that money could be used for us. Now don't think I'm some kind of liberal I need to be taken care because I can't do it myself. I think the government should just leave us alone, actaully follow the Constitution. And if a foriegn force tries to occupy this country, I'll meet you on the front lines. Just making my point not making enemies
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Well we were dealt a pretty serious blow today. Fred has officially dropped out of the race.
Thompson looks to be trying for the VP slot now, I don't know about that. The VP doesn't really get much say in policy unless the POTUS wants it and I'm afraid he's too old to hang out for a run at POTUS in another 8. I really wouldn't want to see another race with no VP to step up like we have now.

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Skeet, don't you think as the largest, greatest, and most prosperous nation on earth and the history of man kind that we owe it to the rest of the world to promote democracy and freedom? Kind of like how a community expects its largest business to support the community in things they do?
I'm not sure how your analogy fits what we've been doing but,
A corporation shouldn't be expected to do anything not required by law, if they wish to do community service then they deserve and should earn brownie points but it shouldn't be expected of them.
If ABC widget company comes to my small run down town and sets up shop they benefit my town by employing my citizens which boosts the economy, boosts tax revenue and draws other businesses which do the same. If they want to build us a park, or fund the renovation of the local brothel then great. Next time tax codes are up for review, as mayor of Podunctville, I'll push for a bit of a break for em. But I wouldn't expect them to do it.
I would also get my panties all up in a bunch if they tried to influence the local elections in exchange for silk sheets in the brothel.

We promote it far more effectively simply by existing and doing well.
We should absolutely assist other countries in times of disaster.
We should offer limited assistance to countries that request it and we would be justified in requiring political change in exchange for our assistance.
We should never force our ideals on another country militarily unless they threaten or attack us first.
We should never pay off dictators, fund terrorist organizations or foment rebellion for political or economic gain.

Getting back to your "largest, greatest, and most prosperous nation on earth" idea. We are currently about 9 trillion in debt and that doesn't include Medicaid, social security and other nifty little programs the government likes to hide with their nifty accounting tricks. If all that were added, estimates are upward of 60 trillion.
Lets just run with the 9 trillion for now.
There are 300 million people in America right now, if we divide 9 trillion amoung 300 million people we get about $30,000 per person. But wait, only about 60% of Americans actually pay income tax so we're down to about 165 million people that now owe about $55,000 each. and that's not counting medicare and medicaid and so forth.
How much do you want to borrow to spread our freedom again?

We've been spreading democracy around the world for a hundred years. When was the last time you heard somebody thank us?
How many countries have we forgiven debt? how many have forgiven ours?
We've spent an enormous amount of money and lives providing military security to Europe so they didn't have to provide they're own, instead they used their money to fund socialist programs while criticizing us for how much we spend on our military. Heard any thank yous out of them lately? and they're supposed to be our greatest allies.

We don't have any real conservatives left in the race so our debt is likely to get worse, god forbid we get a democrat in office we're screwed.
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Skeeter you do make some fine points in your political views, it seems like you are more ready for change than most people. But to counter the opinion on Dr. Paul being a disater for the Americans on the world wide scale, I will have to disagree. Would you like to have military bases of foreign countries in your backyard; I believe we kicked out the British for one of those reasons. If we pulled our troops home we would have the best guarded borders in the world; troops for the embassies are different reason, that's Amercan soil. We need to stop being spread so thin, one of the many reasons empires in history have fallen( the Persians, Romans, Spanish, British, Soviets). I would like the government to first worry about the interior of the country, thats a lot of money spent over seas. Half of that money could be used for us. Now don't think I'm some kind of liberal I need to be taken care because I can't do it myself. I think the government should just leave us alone, actaully follow the Constitution. And if a foriegn force tries to occupy this country, I'll meet you on the front lines. Just making my point not making enemies
Unfortunately Ron Paul runs under the assumption that the world will love us and leave us alone if we pull out of international politics and bring our forces home. That assumption is not born out by history.
Our current situation with muzlim extremists isn't new, we've been attacked by them almost since our founding.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, working as the ambassador to France, and John Adams, as ambassador to Britain, met with the Tripolian ambassador to Britian. They asked the ambassador why his government was attacking American ships when we hadn't done anything to them. The ambassador's response was,
"That it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur'an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
That view has always been a part Islam, it was then and is today, we've been attacked throughout our history and there's no reason to believe it would end now.

We also have strategic interest in europe, history has demonstrated over and over again that they can't handle their own defense and if we were to pull out there's every reason to believe that Russia or some other power would try to take over again. That would be very bad for us.
I wouldn't have a problem with scaling back considerably but it would be asinine to pull out completely.
As for military bases on foreign soil, as long as we're invited to be there by the host country, I don't see the problem.
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Skeeter I can't disagree with you but the American voting public is much more moderate now and McCain is a moderate within the Republican Party. Personally I am a hardcore conservative but I also don't want a democrat in office especially one who will grab my guns. So I have to chose the lesser of 2 evils. Politics will play a hand and I bet every Republican will back McCain. The Republicans don't want a democratic congress and a democrat in office. That will happen if they fight.
I wanted to go back to this because I forgot to say.
I do agree with you that if McCain, or any other Republican for that matter, gets the nomination, I will be voting R even if I have to hold my nose again.
I would rather have socialist light than a treasonous demoncrat but this is still just the primaries.

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