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Old 02-26-2010, 12:22 AM   #1
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Military or not

I know that that this we'll strike a chord with some members of this forum. I am currently fighting with someone about what we are during i
iraq. He is going off on how its bull and we hurt the people of iraq more. I would like to hear everyone positions and if so supported my documents would be even better.

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Well personally i dont believe in where i think it doesnt make any sense. "hey i know how well solve this problem with this country.....lets send a bunch of people over there with guns bombs and all that nonsense and kill as many people as we can each day until they give up!." But i will say after 9/11 something needed to be done about iraq and afganastan.

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A younger high school kid came up to me the other day and started asking me questions about it. He was strongly against the war. He pissed me off when he said he didn't care about the troops.
My friend "strongly" suggested that he leave.
I usually just tell people that I support the troops no matter where they go... I am not going to waste my time talking to anti-war people, because it will 1) not change their views 2) just make us both angry.
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Well personally i dont believe in where i think it doesnt make any sense. "hey i know how well solve this problem with this country.....lets send a bunch of people over there with guns bombs and all that nonsense and kill as many people as we can each day until they give up!." But i will say after 9/11 something needed to be done about iraq and afganastan.
If you seriously believe that's what the military is all about than you know absolutely nothing about our men and women in uniform.
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A younger high school kid came up to me the other day and started asking me questions about it. He was strongly against the war. He pissed me off when he said he didn't care about the troops.
My friend "strongly" suggested that he leave.
I usually just tell people that I support the troops no matter where they go... I am not going to waste my time talking to anti-war people, because it will 1) not change their views 2) just make us both angry.
This also reminds me of something i should have added although i completly hate war i do support our troops. Considering that they risk there lives everyday for people like us back home in the usa so that we can continue our normal everyday lives they deserve the utmost respect from everyone in my opinion.
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And tiny I dont mean to step on any toes but i do know what the militarys all about 4 memebers of my family were in the navy and my grandfather was a marine my other grandfather was the ship that watched hiroshima in ww2. I'm actually going to be joining the navy after i study a little more for the asfab which will make me the 4th generation to be in the navy.
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Then that makes a pretty lousy statement even worse.
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RatherBNmexico you were right im just going to stop this could go on for days.
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This also reminds me of something i should have added although i completly hate war i do support our troops. Considering that they risk there lives everyday for people like us back home in the usa so that we can continue our normal everyday lives they deserve the utmost respect from everyone in my opinion.
One thing for you to remember, you wouldn't have what you have today if it wasn't for war. This country was founded out of war with England, was expanded by war with the indians (not a pround moment in our history, but none the less), defined even more by the Civil War, which isn't really a pround moment either, but a critical turn in our history. Wars have shaped our since the dawn of recorded history and it will continue long after we are dust. It's human nature.
I hope you do go in the military, I feel it will change your perspective for the better. For me, it helped me see the world as I think it really is, people who want to expand no matter what the costs.
Now, anybody need some more killin'?, I'm a little bored.

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YJkid95...........Good idea to stop this while you can. If you really want to know what we're doing over in the Middle East and Central Asia, I'd suggest you enlist or pick up a commission and find out firsthand. Uneducated civilian opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people have the sense to educate themselves before entering a "discussion" over the military and what the military arm of our Government is achieving. These are the educated civilians that I don't mind talking to about what it is we're doing.
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And tiny I dont mean to step on any toes but i do know what the militarys all about 4 memebers of my family were in the navy and my grandfather was a marine my other grandfather was the ship that watched hiroshima in ww2. I'm actually going to be joining the navy after i study a little more for the asfab which will make me the 4th generation to be in the navy.
No, you don't know what the military is "all about". You can have as many family members as you like in the military but until you raise your right hand and swear on Old Glory that you'll defend her with your life, you'll never know what the military is "all about". I take offense at that statement. Join the Navy. (It's capitalized for a reason.) Serve and deploy. Live the military life for a couple of years..........then you can claim that you know what the military is "all about". I promise you that you won't regret it.
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look around a little bit... we are always pre-emptive...

What is our biggest fear? What has progressed over the past decade to keep forces there?

That continent is playing with nukes. Now we can sit here and wait till one comes in our direction OR we can plant ourselves close by and monitor and influence.

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We had a decent discussion on the war here.
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For more specific counterpoints I'd need more specifics on what he's saying.
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One thing for you to remember, you wouldn't have what you have today if it wasn't for war. This country was founded out of war with England, was expanded by war with the indians (not a pround moment in our history, but none the less), defined even more by the Civil War, which isn't really a pround moment either, but a critical turn in our history. Wars have shaped our since the dawn of recorded history and it will continue long after we are dust. It's human nature.
I hope you do go in the military, I feel it will change your perspective for the better. For me, it helped me see the world as I think it really is, people who want to expand no matter what the costs.
Now, anybody need some more killin'?, I'm a little bored.

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One thing for you to remember, you wouldn't have what you have today if it wasn't for war. This country was founded out of war with England, was expanded by war with the indians (not a pround moment in our history, but none the less), defined even more by the Civil War, which isn't really a pround moment either, but a critical turn in our history. Wars have shaped our since the dawn of recorded history and it will continue long after we are dust. It's human nature.
I hope you do go in the military, I feel it will change your perspective for the better. For me, it helped me see the world as I think it really is, people who want to expand no matter what the costs.
Now, anybody need some more killin'?, I'm a little bored.

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I think you guys might be miss understanding what he's trying to get at, Maybe he asked it in a poor way or maybe he really is asking it as it is, BUT you guys need to learn to tell people the facts and not say you just don't understand. What if some one asked you this same question but wasn't able to join the military for any gambit of reasons? Are you going to tell them they will never know because they can not join the military? I know there is not a clear cut answer to this question but He is searching for help on developing an opinion. Don't just backhand some one for seeking answers.

Cavediver you say it yourself you don't mind talking to educated civilians, well here is your chance to educate some one who is seeking to learn. I honestly hope that was the intent of his question as that is how I read it.

You have to remember media is colored in the world. The smart people don't listen or watch any one source, and form their opinions from gathering info. Don't be a wall guys (and gals) instead share your knowledge with those that seek it.

yjkids opinions are shared by many why not explain why your view is different and why it is the way it is not flame him.
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And tiny I dont mean to step on any toes but i do know what the militarys all about 4 memebers of my family were in the navy and my grandfather was a marine my other grandfather was the ship that watched hiroshima in ww2. I'm actually going to be joining the navy after i study a little more for the asfab which will make me the 4th generation to be in the navy.
Really.......so you have been in a fighting hole freezing your butt off during the holidays away from your family, Clearing houses and buildings, moving across a desert wondering will I be next, having to watch your arse as well as your brothers next to you while you have to be mindful that someone is watching you making sure you are not ABUSING a COMBATANT that just killed your fellow Marine, Soldier, Airman or Sailor just to get possibly put on trial for what your actions were. Look when your rules of engagement change hourly due to the fact that people are complaining.... there is an issue. Our military needs to take care of what it needs to without input from someone that has never served or even held a rifle in defense of this country and our values. We have become too worried about what everybody thinks! We will never be liked by everyone! Want this war to be over then our politicians need to let the military do its job and butt out.
I thank your other family members for serving but for you to say you know what the military is all about think again. Till you have served and put your life on the line you have no idea. Studying books and history does not count.
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This is why I chose to support this forum and will continue to do so.The service men and women have a hard enough time as it is trying to rotate back into civilian life,there is no reason for them to have to deal with people who don't agree with the war itself.It isn't their problem,they just do their job.
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Did anyone ever notice that no one ever changes anyone else's mind in these discussions?
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Did anyone ever notice that no one ever changes anyone else's mind in these discussions?

Okay, I've changed my mind. I have jusr sent an email to the Taliba asking for a campfire summit. We're going to sit around the campfire, eat smores, and sing Kumbaya(sp). Then, I'm gonna go relieve myself and toss in a box of claymores. j/k

I guess you have to experience it to change your mind about it...or not. I watched three buddies get blown up and it sucks bac, but I'll go back as many times as I'm told. I took an oath so I don't question unless I feel it's illegal. Besides, I still want to take over the world!
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Me thinks you may have missed my point.
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Did anyone ever notice that no one ever changes anyone else's mind in these discussions?
I've noticed the opposite actually. Not only have I seen minds changed but my own mind was changed by an argument similar to this.
Then take into account the people who may not have a solid opinion when they read the thread but find the argument from one side or the other compelling enough to from such an opinion.

The silent majority has been silent too long.
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Most people have their minds 99% made up on how they feel about this war, and wars in general, I am no exception. Most people have either a liberal or conservative view on things in the world. When it comes to a war initiated by the USA the conservative will typically not question its motives and have a "if your not with us, your against us" mentality. While the liberal would typically be more inquizitive of the motives for the war, and be opposed to the fact that more human suffering will justify the suffering their nation has been dealt.
From my experiences liberals are more open to discussion on the subject, and will try and see the viewpoints of the other person. Alot of conservatives are more likely to be stubborn on the matter, and they are allready right, your a pinko commie scum if you dont feel the same way they do...Okay that might be a little harsh lol. I am not trying to offend anyone, I am just shareing my experiences on the matter.
When it comes down to it, the only thing I guess that matters is how you feel about it. If you have been to these countries in "defense" of our nation, you have a lot better idea of what is going on than someone who hasnt.

I would just incourage everybody on both sides to be a little more open minded on your views, listen to how others feel, respect their views, and maybe you will learn a little more about the world we live in, and learn a little more about yourself.
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One last thing is they hit us first. Seems that people have forgotten about how this all started. They came here and picked the fight. Instead of finishing like we have our other battles (except for Vietnam) We are alittle too worried about what others think. We need to lay the hammer down and finish it. Until our military leaders are allowed to do thier jobs our military men and women will have their hands tied. I for one, even with the pain I have every day, would serve all over again without question.
Thank you to all that are serving, served and who will. So to answer the question that started it I am for the military and as for the "war" they started it and we now need to finish it!
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I agree the people who are serving deserve our utmost repspect, serving your nation is a very honerable thing. My argument with you however is how do we "finish the job"? Do you think it is at all nieve that we are going to whipe terrorism from the face of the earth. There has been terrorism as far back as history is recorded, and terrorist attacks take place daily thoughout the world, it is nothing new. No we did not start this thing, and when they dealt us a blow it hurt, and yes it put us in an awkward position of what to do next, but lashing out at other countries, and other cultures...how will this stop something like this from happening again, if not encouraging something like this from happening again?
In my opionion we did exactly what osoma wanted us to after 911. He lured us into an unwinnable war, and he knew that, **** the soviet union couldnt tackle afganistan 20 years earlier. He knew he didnt have enough bombs to destroy our country, so he destroyed us financially luring us into starting two unwinnable wars.
I see alot of you have served in the armed forces and I thank you for your service. Let me know what you think, is our presence overseas a positive one, and is what we are doing really having an impact on stopping future attacks on us and other countries?
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