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Old 03-02-2009, 01:32 AM   #1
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Well, ive been laid off my apprenticeship since november.. (my 1st year of 5, and i only got 6 months credited towards my 1st year) and we are guaranteed no work for over a year.. Kokomo (my home town) is the 3rd fastest dieing city in the U.S. as listed by Forbes.. and after being jumped and robbed of 700 bucks by the local "gang" from my rival highschool (i hit a kid in his face when 3 guys jumped me and got pistol whipped for it, funny thing is i had the balls to blast the kid with a gun pointed in my face and they took off running like chickens with their heads cut off after i did it, heck my knuckles showed more damage from hitting the kid than they did to me total, it was a completely random jumping, ive never even met these kids before) i decided its time to get the hell outta this horrible town..

my question is.. what branch should i enlist in? i was thinking either army or AF at first.. i wouldnt mind joining the marines either but i wouldnt mind a sign-up bonus and i heard that the marines doesnt offer one.. is this true or not?

im going to the recruiters office tomorrow to get some more information, last time i went i was a senior in highschool and was sent to take the asvab and scored high enough to enroll in the ROTC program at purdue (but i didnt because my parents wouldnt let me at the time, and now they want me to enlist)

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Make sure you are going in for the right reasons. You just can't leave if you don't want it. I am going back down the road again. I had a injury that would not let me enlist. That injury is now healed to the point were doctors didn't think it was possible without surgery.
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Stop by them all. Let them all tell you "we can do..." before making your choice. When I was recruiting, if they weren't sure I made sure they had the opportunity to ask the other services before committing. Some came back, some didn't. I have heard there are no more bonuses, but they will be able to tell you. It's a big decision, choose wisely.
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here in kokomo all the branches are combined into one recruiters office.. so i guess i wont have to make several stops..

and yes i am sure i want this.. there is nothing going on here in kokomo and im ready to get the heck out
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i keep leaning towards the marines more and more.. even though basic is 4 weeks longer.. right out of highschool i would have been in perfect shape for it.. now im not soo sure on it.. 2 years of laziness.. but i have started working out since december.. and knowing that i wont leave for basic until after this semester i will have plenty of time to get back into good enough shape to survive basic..

back in highschool i was in a program here in indiana, they took the best 30 males from indiana highschools baseball teams and was put into a special trainging center ran by 5 ex professional players, we had the 80s-90s u.s. womans olympics soccer coach as our fitness trainier and ran 8 miles a day 7 days a week, worked at for another 3 hours a day lifting weights, not including baseball practice 3 hours a day every day, and not including my highschool teams practices/workouts.. so im use to busting my ass, plus i roofed and did commercial landscaping since highschool so im use to hard work and cant wait for the challenge
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LOL...Marines? That's hard core. I wouldn't go into that one casually. Basic isn't just 4 weeks longer...it's a different animal from what I hear. You'll certainly come out the other end as a stronger version of yourself...but quitting is pretty much off the table. That's a commitment right there.
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LOL...Marines? That's hard core. I wouldn't go into that one casually. Basic isn't just 4 weeks longer...it's a different animal from what I hear. You'll certainly come out the other end as a stronger version of yourself...but quitting is pretty much off the table. That's a commitment right there.
im not scared of the challenge or commitment.. ive had a few friends make it through basic for the marines and i know i can handle it better than they did.. im naturally very athletic and i like i said.. i love challenges =D

the air force though seems like it has some better career fields that would suit me for life after the armed forces.. dont know yet, im getting ready to go to the recruiters office here in an hour or so
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good luck mane. you'll do fine no matter what. i have heard good things about the air force like you are saying, i know one older guy retiring soon, he says similar.

but he also moved recently cuz they closed a lot of bases.

do the navy and maybe you'd end up 5 mins from me at great lakes navy base.
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i went and talked to the marines recruiter today and going back tomorrow for asvab pre-test.. im going to enroll in the DEP program until im out of this college semester
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I say go Navy but Marines is a good choice too.
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If you go marines find out where to enlist
to go to pendleton and not paris Island[sand fleas]
Also keep in mind the time of year,you are outside alot

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Try to get a job where you get something out of it or you'll come home in 3-4 years in the same boat you're in right now. The Army, Navy and AF have apprentiship programs too. What were you training to do? I don't believe the Marines will guarantee you a specific job. The other branches will.
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I have been through 2 years of AFROTC, and left for personal reasons and i have many friends in all branches. Talking to them, if u want control over the job u want, the marines are the way to go. the army generally says "oh we need truck drivers, so thats what u are" while the air force relies heavily on asvab, at least for enlisted. navy im not too sure about
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I have to say, not true. I spent 10 years in the Army. The Army will give you a contract with an exact job and specialty in it. You are guaranteed that job in writing. Iy you want to be a Lineman or a heavy equipment operator, you will get that.
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im looking to get into diesel mechanics.. also i was looking at the basic training bases for the marines and theres only 2. there is one in san diego and the other is paris island NC..

they said more than likely i wont go to basic until october even if i sign up now (gotta finish my college semester anyways) and everyone i know whos left for basic for the marines has ended up in san diego.. so im hoping i get the same..
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Good luck bud. With whatever choice you make.

Think it over wisely. And choose what you want. 4yrs or 6yrs aint that long but....life is short. Make the deciesing for yourself , not anyone else. What branch, job, or to join at all is YOUR choice. Take the time to think about it.

ALWAYS get everything in writing, IF it isn't .....your sh*t out of luck.


If you want to train or workout to get ready....start with endurance...then work on strength.


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You want the best mechanic training you can get. Any Marine will the you they have the best morale and the worst equipment. I'd check out the Navy, Army and Air Force first. Make sure you'll be a diesel truck mechanic and not a tank mechanic, so you can use your skills in the civilian world.
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When I signed for the Navy they offered me a job in heavy equipment mechanics. Wich means you would be fixing the big trucks that transport the Navys things. I opted for my original choice and stayed with Aviation tho. . If I remember at the time there was like a 6K signing bonus for that job. But signing bonus's change daily so just cause I was offered one 3 months ago doesn't mean you would be

They are all Diesel so you would be working with Diesel. Or you could be a Seabee and work on Hummers over in the sand box and be a dirt sailor lol.

The choice is yours. I would sit down with them all and see the jobs they offer. But every branch offers some form of Diesel mechanics
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so i was looking at the basic training bases for the marines and theres only 2. there is one in san diego and the other is Parris Island, SC
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im looking to get into diesel mechanics.. also i was looking at the basic training bases for the marines and theres only 2. there is one in san diego and the other is paris island NC..

they said more than likely i wont go to basic until october even if i sign up now (gotta finish my college semester anyways) and everyone i know whos left for basic for the marines has ended up in san diego.. so im hoping i get the same..
San diego for sure They used to call us hollywood marines
I joined in march to leave in july but couldnt get my MOS till Oct
thats what they said anyway

October is when I ended up going also missed thanksgiving Christmas
New years

I could give alot of little things to do or not when you decide
which branch
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I have been through 2 years of AFROTC, and left for personal reasons and i have many friends in all branches. Talking to them, if u want control over the job u want, the marines are the way to go. the army generally says "oh we need truck drivers, so thats what u are" while the air force relies heavily on asvab, at least for enlisted. navy im not too sure about
Maybe the Salvation Army says that, but not the United States Army. You sign a contract with the Army. It states specifically what your job will be. If they try to put you somewhere else, it's a breach of contract. I would say your source of information about the Army is somewhat WRONG. There is a such thing as a secondary MOS. It's an alternate job, but it also has to go into your contract. THEN you sign the contract. There is no job conspiracy with the U.S. Army.

The good thing about the Army, when enlisting, is that you can play hardball with them. Tell them what you want, and refuse to settle for anything less. You ultimately sign the contract, but don't sign until you're getting EVERYTHING you want. Don't let anyone (recruiters or anyone else) talk you into something you don't want. They'll church it up for you, polish it, make it look great, but if it's not what you REALLY want to do, you'll hate it in the long run.

I agree with what's been said so far. If you want a chance to get a good job when you ETS/retire, find an MOS that has a civilian equivalent.
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San diego for sure They used to call us hollywood marines
I joined in march to leave in july but couldnt get my MOS till Oct
thats what they said anyway

October is when I ended up going also missed thanksgiving Christmas
New years

I could give alot of little things to do or not when you decide
which branch

HA! More like Oceanside Marines. You guys stick out like sore thumbs on the beach with your farmer tans, fresh haircuts, and jeans.
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I never made it to Oceanside
We got out of boot and bus to airport
Thank god there was a micky dees @ bigmacs
First thing Then I started looking for wink wink
I forget but I think it was 13 weeks back then

I did hear all the stories about Oceanside

after school I was at El Toro


Oh ya it was marines that went to paris Island
that called us hollywood,They said we were issued sunglasses
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If you want something that will apply easily in the civilian world after you get out, the AF is a great choice. I know lots of people that got out and are making over 85K doing what I do in the AF. Jobs can be very technical or there are mechanical jobs as well. Whatever choice you make, I wish you good luck.


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Good luck with whatever choice you make, but I can tell you from previous recruiting experiance for the Air Force that the Marines will not gurantee you a specific job until you complete Basic Training. Everyone goes in infantry with their MOS being secondary. Figure out what you want to do in the future, and talk to each of the branches of service to find out who will gurantee you that job. The availability of jobs will be based upon how well you score on the ASVAB, and even if you take it for the Marines the scores can be used for any of the branches. Good luck to you and don't make a quick decision in signing up. Recruiters will make it seem like they need you to sign that day, but it's just a ploy.
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i went to the recruiters office yet again today.. i've only talked to the marine recruiter but i have definitely made up my mind on sticking with the marines..

i read online that any state west of the mississippi goes to san diego, and everything east goes to parris island.. the cool thing about indiana, its the only state where they send recruits to basic in san diego (obviously we are east of the mississippi) everyone i know whos been to the marines has been to san diego for basic, so this was the first question i asked him today after reading that eastern states go to parris island (oh he confirmed the sand fleas there and gave me a 100% guarantee that there is no way i will do basic there)

most jobs are filled now, my recruiter is making me enroll in the delayed entry program and wait until the next recruiting year (october) to send me to basic so i can get dibs on the job i want.. i took the pre-test for the asvab and got a 87 out of 99 on it (i scored a 92 my senior year in highschool on the pre-test and was asked by the recruiter at the time about enrolling into the ROTC program at purdue, but didnt want 4 years of school then 5 years of active duty at the time).. the recruiter said the average score for their recruiting office is in the mid 60s to low 70s.. he also said most people score 5-10 points higher on the actual test than the pre-test..

he said if i dont get the job he wrote me down for, he will delay me being sent to basic until i can get the job i want.. (it doesnt hurt that my recruiter is friends with about 5 of my friends who are already in the marines =p)

im excited and i can NOT wait until basic.. im ready to get my butt whipped into shape.. im going tuesday of next week down to meps to take my ASVAB and going april 1st (the day before my 21st b-day) to swear into the marines..

oh and if you have 12 college credits before enlisting you enter as a e-2.. (i got 33 after this semester)
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Awesome man but you wont "technicaly" swear in until the day you leave for boot. You'll be placed in DEP till October wich at MEPS you will sign your enlistment contract but you still arent legaly binded to the Military. You can still back out anytime until you raise your right hand on the day you leave for boot.


You will swear in at MEPS but thats not really putting anything in stone. I had to do it and now I gotta wait till september to leave (hopefully it will be earlier)

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