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Old 08-06-2013, 05:53 PM   #1
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No lights on when it's raining? Really?



Caught out in a downpour coming home from work today, and I'm noticing that around 1/4 of the people on the road have NO lights on. There may have been more, but I couldn't see them BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE LIGHTS ON!

So, who does this, and why? Are they just stupid, or is there a reason? Also, why do cars even HAVE the "amber lights only" option? When I see that, I'm thinking the driver is saying,"I know I need lights, but I don't want to use the real ones. I'll just use the weakest lights I have access to."

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With you 50%. My running lights are for you to see me, my lights are for me to see with. If you cannot tell your headlights are on, they shouldn't be. City folk... watch the streetlamps. When they come on, your headlights should. I do hate all these fancy newfangled vehicles with perma-lights - lights mean 1) I need to see/be seen due to road conditions (rain, fog, night), 2) emergency/urgency, or 3) funeral procession. Not here I am, see me in all my glory.

During rain... yeah... wtf...

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Here we have a law that says if your wipers are on , your headlights need to be on. But people do not even use turn signals now. So why bother turning on headlights in poor visibility. People are getting stupid. I have aways noticed as a kid the future depicted in movies and TV shows always showed people with shriveled bodies and massive heads. but in reality the opposite has occurred. Massive bodies and shriveled heads. We have met the enemy and they are us.
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People around here are like that too, unless it's pitch black they wont have them on. And dont even get me started on people not using turn signals....

I always keep at least my running lights on during the day, sometimes my headlights. Can't hurt to have them on, and if they burn out so be it.
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Maybe its just the Navy ORM talking, but am I the only one that at least has running lights on at ALL TIMES?

there is a reason most truckers do, because it is INTELLIGENT

I'm probably OCD too, I was stuck in traffic and my right blinker burned out. GREAT! I ended up getting on the CB and asking a trucker to let me over.
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With you 50%. My running lights are for you to see me, my lights are for me to see with. If you cannot tell your headlights are on, they shouldn't be. City folk... watch the streetlamps. When they come on, your headlights should. I do hate all these fancy newfangled vehicles with perma-lights - lights mean 1) I need to see/be seen due to road conditions (rain, fog, night), 2) emergency/urgency, or 3) funeral procession. Not here I am, see me in all my glory.

During rain... yeah... wtf...
I would agree with you if that worked. But those little amber lights are barely better than nothing, and when you're trying to make a split second decision in traffic it sure helps to have a pair of nice bright headlights to assure you which way a car is facing instead of a random number of dinky amber glimmers.
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Maybe its just the Navy ORM talking, but am I the only one that at least has running lights on at ALL TIMES?

there is a reason most truckers do, because it is INTELLIGENT
I generally do when driving my truck.
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I'm a truck driver and have been for many years. It's law in most states that if you have your wipers on you must have your lights on. Cause I can't see you or your tiny car next to my 70ft long truck that throws up a roster tail taller than your car.
All drivers need to turn your lights on. Not your day time running lights. Cause your tail lights are still off. And your automatic lights do not turn them on when the it's foggy out.
Please when in doubt turn them on and "be seen"
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I'm a truck driver and have been for many years. It's law in most states that if you have your wipers on you must have your lights on. Cause I can't see you or your tiny car next to my 70ft long truck that throws up a roster tail taller than your car.
All drivers need to turn your lights on. Not your day time running lights. Cause your tail lights are still off. And your automatic lights do not turn them on when the it's foggy out.
Please when in doubt turn them on and "be seen"
I agree with everything you say but my tail lights turn on when my running lights are on.
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I think we should add this thread everytime somebody asks abount blacking out their lights.
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How did we, as a species, survive before we had someone to tell us when to turn our headlights on/off? If its raining so hard that you can't see an oncoming car unless they have their lights on, you should probably pull over.
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A couple of weeks ago on the highway in heavy rain, I noticed that every driver I saw had their hazard lights on. I'd never seen that before.
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And today on the mountain, fog (clouds, actually) so thick you can't see 50'... and people driving with absolutely NO lights. Wtf folks? Very frustrating, because I know where I am going - exactly. I work in a neighborhood with 35 miles of roadway 365 days a year, I know it very well. These boneheads are either a) on vacation in the mountains, or b) city folk fleeing to their 2nd home for a long weekend - neither knows WHERE the road they want is. So they drive around aimlessly, swerving to and fro... with no lights in the middle of a rain cloud. Ugh.

They do the hazards thing up here, too... I like it because it is a flashing idiot warning system. You got em on, you must be a hazard to others, and as such an idiot for driving.
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How did we, as a species, survive before we had someone to tell us when to turn our headlights on/off? If its raining so hard that you can't see an oncoming car unless they have their lights on, you should probably pull over.
You must spend a lot of time on the sides of roads.
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You must spend a lot of time on the sides of roads.
Nah, I have superman vision. I don't mean to brag or anything, but I've seen cars as far as 5-6 blocks away in the rain. I can also see trees, people, and even the road, none of which have lights at all! The other day I was driving home from work, in the rain, and a car was in the lane beside me. At first I couldn't see it because I couldn't see the headlights. Then, I turned my head slightly, moved my eyes to the side, and bam!! there it was. True story.
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Nah, I have superman vision. I don't mean to brag or anything, but I've seen cars as far as 5-6 blocks away in the rain. I can also see trees, people, and even the road, none of which have lights at all! The other day I was driving home from work, in the rain, and a car was in the lane beside me. At first I couldn't see it because I couldn't see the headlights. Then, I turned my head slightly, moved my eyes to the side, and bam!! there it was. True story.
I take it you live somewhere extremely temperate and mild? I've been in a heavy enough rain that you can barely see beyond your front bumper, and can just barely make out other people's tail lights.
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I take it you live somewhere extremely temperate and mild? I've been in a heavy enough rain that you can barely see beyond your front bumper, and can just barely make out other people's tail lights.
Not at all. It's a continuation of the statement that I made earlier: if you can't see well enough to see cars, then you can't see well enough to see trees, buildings, bicyclists, dogs, or the road.
I live in Cape Coral, FL. It rains hard, practically every day.
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Not at all. It's a continuation of the statement that I made earlier: if you can't see well enough to see cars, then you can't see well enough to see trees, buildings, bicyclists, dogs, or the road.
I live in Cape Coral, FL. It rains hard, practically every day.
Not everyone drives in the city during heavy downpours. I was on the interstate several years ago in the middle of a tropical storm. Only reason I didn't pull over is because I didn't want to become a target for all the other drivers doing 50mph around me. When you've got a guard rail keeping you in the 6 foot breakdown lane, and nothing protecting you from all the other cars, most people choose to keep driving.

In that situation, its nice to be able to see the vehicle lights in front of you and those behind you and to your sides.
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How did we, as a species, survive before we had someone to tell us when to turn our headlights on/off? If its raining so hard that you can't see an oncoming car unless they have their lights on, you should probably pull over.
You're missing the entire purpose.

Many headlight laws are dependent on distance of visibility - nothing else. The purpose for this is quite simple: to increase the distance at which other motorists become visible. The reasoning behind this is solely reaction time, not daddy merely ordering you to do something. For instance, take into account the sand storms common in the southwest... Those folks see the car in front of them, then plow into it at 65mph. Blizzards, same thing. Why? Failure to establish proper reaction time.

Couldn't you crush a Nolan Ryan fastball @ 90' where you wouldn't be able to touch it @ 60'6"? I bet so, because of the increase in reaction time afforded by the increase in distance (or in this case, lights). Seeing them and being able to do something about 4k lbs of mass with kinetic energy are 2 VERY differing things.

Drive commercially for a few years, it'll make a lot of sense to ya to see motorists as far out as possible, particularly when you are <24k lbs.
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You're missing the entire purpose.

Many headlight laws are dependent on distance of visibility - nothing else. The purpose for this is quite simple: to increase the distance at which other motorists become visible. The reasoning behind this is solely reaction time, not daddy merely ordering you to do something. For instance, take into account the sand storms common in the southwest... Those folks see the car in front of them, then plow into it at 65mph. Blizzards, same thing. Why? Failure to establish proper reaction time.

Couldn't you crush a Nolan Ryan fastball @ 90' where you wouldn't be able to touch it @ 60'6"? I bet so, because of the increase in reaction time afforded by the increase in distance (or in this case, lights). Seeing them and being able to do something about 4k lbs of mass with kinetic energy are 2 VERY differing things.

Drive commercially for a few years, it'll make a lot of sense to ya to see motorists as far out as possible, particularly when you are <24k lbs.
Knocked it out of the park...
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You're missing the entire purpose.

Many headlight laws are dependent on distance of visibility - nothing else. The purpose for this is quite simple: to increase the distance at which other motorists become visible. The reasoning behind this is solely reaction time, not daddy merely ordering you to do something. For instance, take into account the sand storms common in the southwest... Those folks see the car in front of them, then plow into it at 65mph. Blizzards, same thing. Why? Failure to establish proper reaction time.

Couldn't you crush a Nolan Ryan fastball @ 90' where you wouldn't be able to touch it @ 60'6"? I bet so, because of the increase in reaction time afforded by the increase in distance (or in this case, lights). Seeing them and being able to do something about 4k lbs of mass with kinetic energy are 2 VERY differing things.

Drive commercially for a few years, it'll make a lot of sense to ya to see motorists as far out as possible, particularly when you are <24k lbs.
You're seriously cutting into my trolling here...
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You're seriously cutting into my trolling here...
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A couple of weeks ago on the highway in heavy rain, I noticed that every driver I saw had their hazard lights on. I'd never seen that before.
If its real heavy rain the hazards help...
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If its real heavy rain the hazards help...
Help what?
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Help what?
Help you see the guy in front of you. It might sound lame, but I've been in a few bad thunderstorms and the hazards were the only thing I saw.

I'm not talking about a little rain, I'm talking about when the skies open up...
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Help you see the guy in front of you. It might sound lame, but I've been in a few bad thunderstorms and the hazards were the only thing I saw.

I'm not talking about a little rain, I'm talking about when the skies open up...
This time I'm not trolling...
If its raining so hard that your visibility is reduced to only being able to see flashing lights, you need to pull over and wait it out.
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The problem I have with people driving w/ their hazard lights flashing is this:

It's often damned near impossible to tell whether they're pulled over & stopped on the shoulder or still moving along in the travel lane until you're practically on top of them. IMO, driving with your hazard lights on creates MORE dangerous road conditions for everyone around you.

If you can't see, GET OFF THE ROAD!
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Ok valid point guys.
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The problem I have with people driving w/ their hazard lights flashing is this:

It's often damned near impossible to tell whether they're pulled over & stopped on the shoulder or still moving along in the travel lane until you're practically on top of them. IMO, driving with your hazard lights on creates MORE dangerous road conditions for everyone around you.

If you can't see, GET OFF THE ROAD!


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