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Old 11-26-2010, 11:28 PM   #31
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I don't know about their navy but according to newsmax "China has already purchased 78 Su-27SK/UBK fighters and 76 Su-30MKK fighters from Russia, and is building 200 more Flanker jets under license from Sukhoi. The PLA Naval Air Corps will also deploy the latest batch of Su-30MK2 fighters."
The report also discussed how Indian Su-30's were outflying F-15's and getting missile lock first. As for their army, maybe not as advanced as ours but an endless supply of bodies with no regard for the Geneva Convention, collateral damage, or their own lives will be something to worry about on the battlefield. We probably won't ever see Chinese troops on our soil but if we have to tangle with them on asian soil, it won't be pretty.

As for N. Korea, it's a gamble to deal with them and their Chinese puppet handlers but I'm fine with whatever we do, my weapons lubed and ruck is always packed.
It'd be an interesting contest. But as a former "Eagle Keeper", I'll put my money on the F-15. It's undefeated in combat, so far. And if we need to, we can bring in the F-22's, which will more than wipe out anything in Russia/China's arsenal.

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Not to up on what is going on the north Korea anyone Wana give me link so I can read up on it a bit?

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Keep in mind we have over 30,000 troops in South Korea that will be within distance for a retaliation strike from North Korea or China. They already went through a lot in Iraq, don't be so willing to send them back in to another controversial war
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Not to up on what is going on the north Korea anyone Wana give me link so I can read up on it a bit?
North Korea decided it would be fun to send an artillery barrage into a South Korean island this week. Killed a few SK troops, as well as a few civilians. Obama's response? "Bad North Korea, BAD!" As usual. Gutless.

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Keep in mind we have over 30,000 troops in South Korea that will be within distance for a retaliation strike from North Korea or China. They already went through a lot in Iraq, don't be so willing to send them back in to another controversial war
Never saw a war that wasn't "controversial". But if the North attacks our troops, then I don't see where we have much choice.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
I don't know if you read all the posts but not everyone that has posted in this thread are advocating war. Several are saying that they think the President should be a little stronger than just a slap on the wrist when NK has been acting a fool for years and has now killed civilians of one of our allies. Now, I have never served in the military, so I am coming from a civilian stand point. You can call me a retard or a monkey a white supremacist bigot with out even knowing me all you want, but I don't want the President to flip out, I just want him to not bend over and take it because we owe China so much money and let NK keep acting a fool like they have been.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
I'm a U.S. military veteran. And I seriously doubt you know me well enough to know whether I have, or have not, been to war. Secondly, I hate the government. Thirdly, I don't give a da*n about any "parties"......tea or otherwise. And for your information, I hated Jimmy Carter too, and he's white as a sheet. I don't have to like this guy because his a** is black. So spare me the insults.

Your post is spoken like a true Socialist.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
He's going to "bend over and take it", because he doesn't have the countries best interests at heart. He only thinks of himself. He's the ultimate narcissist.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
SEE my last post, forgot to quote. Too busy warmongering.
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Hey Guys I'm currently living in Seongnam which is a suburb of Seoul. The vibe here in South Korea is that war won't happen. The locals are pretty upset about the mortor attack on an island near the maritime border with the Norks. Some military minister just quit because of it. The U.S. now has a carrier parked out in North Korea's front yard. The U.S. and ROK have joint operations planned for Sunday. When the locals get nervous and start buying rice buy the truck load then maybe I will too. I don't have an exit strategy but the Osan Air Force base is about 20 miles to the southwest of me.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
You know, an intelligent person could have conveyed their opinion without the name calling, or blanket disparaging categorization of a group of people who may be inclined to wave the flag.

If you don't agree, then make your reasons for disagreement known without the the insults. Explaining why their eagerness for war is bad for a country might make some rethink their position - rather than calling them "bigots," which by the way, doesn't seem to pertinent to the thread, considering our ally is South Korea.

I doubt a "white supremacist bigot" would be willing to accept a South Korean as an ally.
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North Korea decided it would be fun to send an artillery barrage into a South Korean island this week. Killed a few SK troops, as well as a few civilians. Obama's response? "Bad North Korea, BAD!" As usual. Gutless.

But here's the link for ya......

South Korea considers asking for U.S. nukes - World news - Asia-Pacific - North Korea - msnbc.com
Wow I'm getting so sick of Obama this is gettin outa hand. Learn how to run a country we have had wars since Cain killed Able!! I don't think we can change it!!!
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I should probably stay out of this conversation because I know "certain things" But m being me I have to add my 2 cents.
North Korea jump starts the war that never ended, South Korea thinks they can beat North Korea cause north Korea's stuff is old and obsolete ( gee where have we thought THAT before), anyway the U.S Will back South Korea, nothing we can do or say to change it, China WILL back North Korea, nothing we can do or say about that. Only one problem, ya don't buy goods from a country your at war with, so Wal Mart is the first store to get screwed if the Korean war heats back up, second is all the China Woks and #1 Places , then the trickle down will turn into a flood of MASSIVE depression, because this WILL finish the worlds economy. Starting with the country that is currently being sold out from under its own people (us)
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appears the sanctions in place against north korea are working. NK has always "shoot first, then negotiate. unlike the fifties, china has become "business men and needs the us and our allies, notice they haven't been very vocal about our sending a carrier there. a carrier also brings a "few" freinds called a task force. we should also be sending other carriers, a good show of strength should stop the nut running NK and at the same time we might also consider a "jfk" thing and do the blockade thing. the nk leaders do not have the support of their people, and military exchange will quick and short lived, but china will stop NK before any real military exchanges start.
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Yeah, US is already fighting wars on two fronts and we don't have enough troops on the ground in Korea to do much more than eat kimchi and chase hookers. N. Korea and China know it so there's really no recourse except to strongly disapprove of their actions. I wouldn't get my panties in too much of a wad.....both sides play these little games, this is just a little more high profile than normal.
Just send in the Canadians, like they always do to clean up the mess. We'll open a Tim Hortons and 7-Eleven on every corner. Between the coffee, Donuts and Taquito's they won't be able to move let alone pick up a gun.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
This is why lefty democrats are losing power. When you call everyone who disagrees with you names, you eventually run out of friends. The democratic party is chasing away the non-socialist democrats and blue dogs. Even other lefties don't agree about everything. Are you going to call them names too? (A little history fact- lots of democratic party presidents have started wars). I guess the idea of TOLLERANCE only applies to people who think the same as you.
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You right wingers are getting more retarded by the minute, this is a thread full of morons advocating war. But I guarantee you if any of you monkeys had ever been to war, you'd be singing a different tune. I thank god we now have a president who doesn't flip out and invade every country that steps out of line or tries to rebel a bit. It's "Tea-Partiers" aka white supremacist bigots like you people who are ruining this country. If you wanna fight those Koreans, then quit talking about it and buy yourself a plane ticket, but don't expect the thinking half of this country to support it, we can barely pay for the tax cuts for all these wealthy puppet-masters that pull your strings.
hmmmm. I missed this
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I think I'm getting smarter by the minute, cause I see a lot of people i this thread both Democrat and Republican who if asked would rather NOT go to war with north Korea or china.
Now that being said let me make one thing perfectly clear to you, I have been to war, and I don't appreciate being called a monkey. EVERY fighting person would rather see peace than war, weather or not the kids have been in a war yet.
Our last president had every right to go to war in Afghanistan, they were harboring Osama bin Laden, last time I checked he was backed by the Taliban. Iraq was invaded and overthrown NOT because the president flipped out it was because he had faulty intelligence form other countries, not mentioning any names though.
Weer not all "Tea-Partiers" either, nor are we white supremacist bigots, and as for who is running the country its not white or black there its socialist and non socialist. those tax cuts you seem to hate so bad are the only thing keeping some people from losing everything, ya wanna be able to pay for the tax cuts? Stop sending billions to third world countries that hate us and try helping THIS country instead. And if ya remember right the mess weer in now STARTED, back when you were watching Popeye cartoons sucking you thumb, keep making posts like that an admin is gonna lock this thread.
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Let the "world as we know it" come to an end, maybe we'll be better off. i can hunt, fish and live off the land if needed. i personally feel were too far gone to save. bring it on.
The way things are looking, we just might be put to that test. That's why I constantly prepare.
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Hey Guys I'm currently living in Seongnam which is a suburb of Seoul. The vibe here in South Korea is that war won't happen. The locals are pretty upset about the mortor attack on an island near the maritime border with the Norks. Some military minister just quit because of it. The U.S. now has a carrier parked out in North Korea's front yard. The U.S. and ROK have joint operations planned for Sunday. When the locals get nervous and start buying rice buy the truck load then maybe I will too. I don't have an exit strategy but the Osan Air Force base is about 20 miles to the southwest of me.
I think you'll be ok. ROK is set up in a good defensive perimeter on the DMZ, and have been for decades. South Korea has 3x the population as North Korea, is better financed, and better fed. NK soldiers barely even train or drill due to lack of food, ammo, and fuel. They could make a spirited initial assault, but it would peter out soon, and the ROK forces would pound them into hamburger. With U.S. and other forces backing them with air superiority and naval forces, the NK's would be hard pressed. And China isn't going to disrupt their economic boom to go assist their pesky, but ally, neighbors next to them. They already have their hands full with all those from NK who try to cross into China annually to defect.

I think you'll be alright for the time being. But the NK's might toss an artillery shell or two, or cause some other incident.
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I should probably stay out of this conversation because I know "certain things" But m being me I have to add my 2 cents.
North Korea jump starts the war that never ended, South Korea thinks they can beat North Korea cause north Korea's stuff is old and obsolete ( gee where have we thought THAT before), anyway the U.S Will back South Korea, nothing we can do or say to change it, China WILL back North Korea, nothing we can do or say about that. Only one problem, ya don't buy goods from a country your at war with, so Wal Mart is the first store to get screwed if the Korean war heats back up, second is all the China Woks and #1 Places , then the trickle down will turn into a flood of MASSIVE depression, because this WILL finish the worlds economy. Starting with the country that is currently being sold out from under its own people (us)
If you'll recall, China also trades with SOUTH Korea. China doesn't want a unified Korea, but they're also not going to cut their own throats either by defending a country which sends them nothing but refugees and U.S. warships off their coast. I don't see China getting too involved, at least not militarily.
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I think I'm getting smarter by the minute, cause I see a lot of people i this thread both Democrat and Republican who if asked would rather NOT go to war with north Korea or china.
Now that being said let me make one thing perfectly clear to you, I have been to war, and I don't appreciate being called a monkey. EVERY fighting person would rather see peace than war, weather or not the kids have been in a war yet.
Our last president had every right to go to war in Afghanistan, they were harboring Osama bin Laden, last time I checked he was backed by the Taliban. Iraq was invaded and overthrown NOT because the president flipped out it was because he had faulty intelligence form other countries, not mentioning any names though.
Weer not all "Tea-Partiers" either, nor are we white supremacist bigots, and as for who is running the country its not white or black there its socialist and non socialist. those tax cuts you seem to hate so bad are the only thing keeping some people from losing everything, ya wanna be able to pay for the tax cuts? Stop sending billions to third world countries that hate us and try helping THIS country instead. And if ya remember right the mess weer in now STARTED, back when you were watching Popeye cartoons sucking you thumb, keep making posts like that an admin is gonna lock this thread.
I'm not peed or ranting or flaming, just tellin the truth.
From what I've seen recently, the only threads that get locked are the ones from people who are right wing, and patriots. If it's a left-wing swing post, they pretty much have all the latitude they want in here. Doesn't seem right, does it?
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If you'll recall, China also trades with SOUTH Korea. China doesn't want a unified Korea, but they're also not going to cut their own throats either by defending a country which sends them nothing but refugees and U.S. warships off their coast. I don't see China getting too involved, at least not militarily.
That is not true. You have 20 million potential customers in N. Korea. The rebuilding of N. Korea would be done by China and not S. Korea. China will not get involved in this fight. If there is a war it will be known in the history books as the 48 hour war. The Norks will go down faster than Iraqi troops in Desert Storm.

What people don't understand is North Koreans are poor. I'm talking eating tree bark poor. The stories I've heard living here in S. Korea about how the Norks live is heart wrenching. Most Koreans don't want America involved. They don't want the U.S. to put a base in NK. They want the U.S. to go away. S. Korea wants their sovereignty back (haven't had it since 1910).
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If you'll recall, China also trades with SOUTH Korea. China doesn't want a unified Korea, but they're also not going to cut their own throats either by defending a country which sends them nothing but refugees and U.S. warships off their coast. I don't see China getting too involved, at least not militarily.
I really don't think North Korea cares what China says about it, takeig south Korea (1) "spreads communism" (2) makes North Korea's economy better

I only put #1 there cause I was in the navy in the 80's when Russia was the enemy, which totally amazed em cause I had a friend on a Soviet Destroyer I sent letters to and got letters from Povel was his name, I can't spell his last name but we email every day now.
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If there was a nuclear war, there wouldn't be any game to hunt or fish to eat.
im not worried about n. korea starting a nuclear war but if it does happen, then i guess we'll all be looking for non-irradiated land.

p.s. you guys crak me up with your "liberal" and "conservative" being thrown around like insults. how about we try working together for a mutually agreeable solution?
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Man if a Nuclear war breaks out, I don;t think your gonna have to worry about where your next meal comes from for too long.
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Since the nearly 10 year long war in Iraq is working out so great I say let's go for it!!
They'll fall to their knees and welcome us with open arms.

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