Not suprising at all - Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > General Discussion Forums > Off-Topic

Join Wrangler Forum Today

Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on
Old 04-22-2009, 12:49 PM
Thread Starter
4point's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Central Sierra
Posts: 7,350
4point is on a distinguished road
Not suprising at all



Gun owners of america
Gun Owners of America

obama pushing treaty to ban reloading — even bb guns could be on the chopping block
Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

tuesday, april 21, 2009

remember candidate barack obama? The guy who “wasn’t going to take away our guns”?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he’s never met a gun he didn’t hate.

A week ago, obama went to mexico, whined about the united states, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn’t have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn’t keep him from pushing additional restrictions on american gun owners.

It’s called the inter-american convention against illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the “illicit” manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

1. “illicit manufacturing” of firearms is defined as “assembly of firearms [or] ammunition ... Without a license....”

hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly “illicit manufacturing.”

modifying a firearm in any way would surely be “illicit manufacturing.” and, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of “illicit manufacturing.”

2. “firearm” has a similarly questionable definition.

“[a]ny other weapon” is a “firearm,” according to the treaty -- and the term “weapon” is nowhere defined.

So, is a bb gun a “firearm”? Probably.

A toy gun? Possibly.

A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

* banning reloading. In article iv of the treaty, countries commit to adopting “necessary legislative or other measures” to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

Remember that “illicit manufacturing” includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

* banning gun clubs. Article iv goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include “association or conspiracy” in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

* extraditing us gun dealers. Article v requires each party to “adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this convention” under a variety of circumstances.

We know that mexico is blaming u.s. Gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for mexico to define offenses “committed in its territory” in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under article xix of the proposed treaty. So we know that mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of american gun dealers.

Under article xxix, if mexico demands the extradition of a lawful american gun dealer, the u.s. Would be required to resolve the dispute through “other means of peaceful settlement.”

does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering mexican jail on the proposition that the obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

* microstamping. Article vi requires “appropriate markings” on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

* gun registration. Article xi requires the maintenance of any records, for a “reasonable time,” that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of mcclure-volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.
Just getting to work is an adventure.
4point is offline   Quote
Old 04-22-2009, 01:10 PM   #2
jupiterboy's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,057
jupiterboy is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to jupiterboy
I wonder if the defense budget is funding the development of any of these new tracking technologies. Something tells me we should have been resisting electronic tracking from the beginning—when they wanted to chip our pets, when they started to talk about a national ID card, when credit cards became chipped.
jupiterboy is offline   Quote

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:56 AM.

User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC. is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC
« Back

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner