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Old 10-21-2013, 04:16 PM   #31
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If you filed jointly 11k and were refused food stamps you have 'vested interests' ... Go sell your toys or land or stock. You may be income poor yet asset rich. And if that's the case I do not want to give you insurance on my dime.

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Only things I have are bills buddy I have a 98 tj my wife has a 12 jku and she pays for that all on her own all we do is owe and I rent dont own anything not even my 98 tj I have never until now been unemployed never recieved government assistance was at one job 3 years was at another 2 years and was laid off then got a temporary job which was all I coild get it ended and nowni have nothing but should have one soon but I work hard I live right and do as an American a true American should I made 40k a year myself and my wife 11k so when I lost my job we lost our livelihood I dont want to smooch or live off anyone I like earning my way but when you get put in that situation god forbid you will then see how it is

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As voters we have the ability to fix this problem in Congress, Senate and in Washington in General. VOTE out the incumbents in your district! Send a message that this type of bickering, political grandstanding, and double standards will NOT BE TOLERATED!
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X2, Yes, let's clean house, starting from the top, all the way to the bottom, and get some fresh thinkers in there, that will have our best interest at heart.
The ones in there currently today, are do nothing's, and all that they worry about is to get reelected. When something goes right, well I did it, but God forbid if it goes wrong, well somebody else did it, but we never find out who...........
We have the least transparent government ever too date.........
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Only things I have are bills buddy I have a 98 tj my wife has a 12 jku and she pays for that all on her own all we do is owe and I rent dont own anything not even my 98 tj I have never until now been unemployed never recieved government assistance was at one job 3 years was at another 2 years and was laid off then got a temporary job which was all I coild get it ended and nowni have nothing but should have one soon but I work hard I live right and do as an American a true American should I made 40k a year myself and my wife 11k so when I lost my job we lost our livelihood I dont want to smooch or live off anyone I like earning my way but when you get put in that situation god forbid you will then see how it is
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X2, Yes, let's clean house, starting from the top, all the way to the bottom, and get some fresh thinkers in there, that will have our best interest at heart.
The ones in there currently today, are do nothing's, and all that they worry about is to get reelected. When something goes right, well I did it, but God forbid if it goes wrong, well somebody else did it, but we never find out who...........
We have the least transparent government ever too date.........
This. I have been saying for years that every incumbent needs to go, even the ones we think are doing a good job. It's time to send a message. I sometimes have a hard time deciding which party to hate the most...
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Gees, I thought we had it tough when our provincial government socked us with a $600 (on average)per person health care tax. That's dependant upon income (if you make 24000, you would pay 240), and kids are free. It is nice to be able to go to the hospital and not have to pay anything in Ontario. (We just have to pay $4.65/gallon of gas to get there)
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Only things I have are bills buddy I have a 98 tj my wife has a 12 jku and she pays for that all on her own all we do is owe and I rent dont own anything not even my 98 tj I have never until now been unemployed never recieved government assistance was at one job 3 years was at another 2 years and was laid off then got a temporary job which was all I coild get it ended and nowni have nothing but should have one soon but I work hard I live right and do as an American a true American should I made 40k a year myself and my wife 11k so when I lost my job we lost our livelihood I dont want to smooch or live off anyone I like earning my way but when you get put in that situation god forbid you will then see how it is
Oh... my apologies. I am home and can now see you are in Georgia. Your governor has f'ed you on this one.

In Georgia: Anyone making 11,490$ or less will qualify for medicaid, just like last year. They have refused to impliment bamerscare's forced medicaid (state funded) so the new threshold will not take effect there. This does, however, qualify you for a waiver. Like me. Anyone making 11,491$ or more will get nothing. You could even get a privately offered subsidized policy at the exchange for as little as 19$ a month with your income, if Georgia accepted bamercare, anyway.

Do not be confused - THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BAMERSCARE! This is the EXACT same business as usual system people in your position, in the State of Georgia, have been faced with since 1986, when the first federal insurance mandate happened under Reagan. It is because of the refusal to impliment bamercare.

And I can assure you man, I have.

The problem, folks, is that we will fix anyone. So why on Earth do we need insurance? Do you really want to place a hedged bet against your own health or just buy what you need, when you need? Why do insurance companies have anything to do with it? They get panels of directors to decide what is covered and what isn't; who dies and who doesn't. And worst of all, how much it all costs. Why? We all have paid social security INSURANCE, yes? Shouldn't that be... I don't know... insurance for my social well being? It was never meant as a govt retirement plan or entitlement slush fund, and that is all it is now.

The best thing that can happen now? Offer Medicare Part - E, for everybody. You buy what you need when you need from the medicare system with no federal subsidies (budget nuetral). Then offer bamercare vouchers to all who enroll. This was proposed on the house floor (pre-bamercare) but the speaker would not call it to vote. Voting in more corporatists, statists, socialists, or even true republicans (real term ... not gop, per se) will never change that. The bad part is we knew that before Jesus:

"Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and political greatness and wisdom meet in one, and those commoner natures who pursue either to the exclusion of the other are compelled to stand aside, cities will never have rest from their evils, — nor the human race, as I believe, — and then only will this our State have a possibility of life and behold the light of day."

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Gees, I thought we had it tough when our provincial government socked us with a $600 (on average)per person health care tax. That's dependant upon income (if you make 24000, you would pay 240), and kids are free. It is nice to be able to go to the hospital and not have to pay anything in Ontario. (We just have to pay $4.65/gallon of gas to get there)
Wow... cause that's not better than paying a corporation to pay a hospital when I have to go.
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"The answer is that Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay*more*for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...ns-true-costs/
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49% one way 51% the other way i say new way ok ive said this a few times but im saying it again ............ 3RD party lets mix it up ............. cuz we have a whole lot of crap on the hill and im tired of eating whats running down. and no im not a supporter of the new health care........... oh wait im middle class yes,,,,,,,,,,,,, yes i am
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Bottom line. The world is overpopulated. This country is fast becoming overpopulated. Government services cannot take care of the overwhelming undereducated, unemployable, resource sucking, mass child producing hordes that are living amongst us. So Obamacare is a tax that is levied upon all of us to help cover the costs. This world cannot support this many people without resentment between the haves and have nots. The have nots are outpacing the haves so the government can make these obscene laws and the have nots will support them. So how can you vote an incumbent out when you will be outvoted. I don't care what you say. If you have a good job and make enough money to live on, you are fast becoming a minority. You may look around you surrounded by your financially endowed friends saying all is well in your world. But right outside of that world are hordes of people that want a piece of it. And the government will help them grab a piece. Wealth distribution. That is what Obamacare is and it is just the beginning. Go ahead and poo poo what I said. In a few years you will remember back and say the Cheese was right as you receive your air usage tax bill.
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Bottom line. The world is overpopulated. This country is fast becoming overpopulated. Government services cannot take care of the overwhelming undereducated, unemployable, resource sucking, mass child producing hordes that are living amongst us. So Obamacare is a tax that is levied upon all of us to help cover the costs. This world cannot support this many people without resentment between the haves and have nots. The have nots are outpacing the haves so the government can make these obscene laws and the have nots will support them. So how can you vote an incumbent out when you will be outvoted. I don't care what you say. If you have a good job and make enough money to live on, you are fast becoming a minority. You may look around you surrounded by your financially endowed friends saying all is well in your world. But right outside of that world are hordes of people that want a piece of it. And the government will help them grab a piece. Wealth distribution. That is what Obamacare is and it is just the beginning. Go ahead and poo poo what I said. In a few years you will remember back and say the Cheese was right as you receive your air usage tax bill.
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Bottom line. The world is overpopulated. This country is fast becoming overpopulated. Government services cannot take care of the overwhelming undereducated, unemployable, resource sucking, mass child producing hordes that are living amongst us. So Obamacare is a tax that is levied upon all of us to help cover the costs. This world cannot support this many people without resentment between the haves and have nots. The have nots are outpacing the haves so the government can make these obscene laws and the have nots will support them. So how can you vote an incumbent out when you will be outvoted. I don't care what you say. If you have a good job and make enough money to live on, you are fast becoming a minority. You may look around you surrounded by your financially endowed friends saying all is well in your world. But right outside of that world are hordes of people that want a piece of it. And the government will help them grab a piece. Wealth distribution. That is what Obamacare is and it is just the beginning. Go ahead and poo poo what I said. In a few years you will remember back and say the Cheese was right as you receive your air usage tax bill.
As simple as this!
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In a word? No.

If you buy a product froma private business YOU PAY NO TAX. How does that redistribute anything?

The problem with America is that everyone feels their money is ENTITLED to grow on its own.

Bamerscare is only supposed to help the young, old, chronicly ill, or poor. It does this by making the state pay their coverage. It is the babyboomers, once again, making sure their financial future is stable at the expense, once again, of their childrens.
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Funny...everybody I know, from various professions and interests, is not in favor of this plan. How in the hell did it get passed? I also agree with you Monster and Sinister...Can't forget about this come election time
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It was pushed through by executive orders from our great dictator whoops I mean sorry ass president
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It's time for the daily applause, for the ObamaScare, and share the wealth...........
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The King James Bible has 788,280 words with all chapters and verses and both testaments included
Obamacare has 11,588,500 words with all regulations included
Obamacare is over 14 times longer than the Bible. Anyone read it all? Anyone?



Every page of regulation costs somebody money to comply with it. How is this stack called affordable?
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I hate to be "that guy", the one who isn't on the bandwagon, but your congressman is getting the same coverage as you. The common misconception that was passed around through emails and word of mouth is that Congress was exempt from the ACA, while the opposite is actually true. Congress and their staff are required to participate in the ACA. That was in a bill that was introduced by a Republican as an attempt to call the bluff of the Democrats when the ACA was about to be shoved through. The Dems took the bluff, ran with it and passed it, and it's now law that all Congressmen and their staff must participate in the ACA.

Word of advice - if you're going to find ways to argue against the ACA, at least educate yourself on the facts and fictions behind it before you go spouting off about it.
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Word of advice - if you're going to find ways to argue against the ACA, at least educate yourself on the facts and fictions behind it before you go spouting off about it.
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Funny...everybody I know, from various professions and interests, is not in favor of this plan. How in the hell did it get passed? I also agree with you Monster and Sinister...Can't forget about this come election time
Can't forget what? We have already had a midterm election since Bamercare passed.... did you forget then? Bamers was also re-elected after it passed, by a healthy majority at that.

And all those new replacements in D.C. have done SO much to help us; repealing obamacare 42 times now and all. Then closing the govt to stop it, which only took MORE money from my pocket and did nothing to stop bamercare. It did deny children cancer treatment, though. And got Mitch Mcconnel a 2 billion dollar check.
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I hate to be "that guy", ... Word of advice - if you're going to find ways to argue against the ACA, at least educate yourself on the facts and fictions behind it before you go spouting off about it.
Common and broken rebuttal, but nice try anyway

I believe congress, senate and the president do NOT have to participate in obamacare, because they are already enrolled in a healthcare plan from their employer, the federal government. A very sumptuous plan, where almost 80% of the tab is picked up by their employer. I too have a plan thru my employer, and while not obligated to join obamacare, will be seeing sharp increases in my contribution to support those who will get it heavily subsidized
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Common and broken rebuttal, but nice try anyway

I believe congress, senate and the president do NOT have to participate in obamacare, because they are already enrolled in a healthcare plan from their employer, the federal government. A very sumptuous plan, where almost 80% of the tab is picked up by their employer. I too have a plan thru my employer, and while not obligated to join obamacare, will be seeing sharp increases in my contribution to support those who will get it heavily subsidized
Nice try? It's is 100% true:

Why Congress is (or isn't) exempt from Obamacare

The fed will still reimburse Congressmen and their staffers for the same amount they would have if they were still on the Federal Plan, but they must find a plan under the ACA. In effect, they are enrolled in the same healthcare as everybody else, although their level of coverage will probably be greater than the average Joe.

So how is that a "broken rebuttal"?
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And all those new replacements in D.C. have done SO much to help us;
Don't know about Virginia, but the same jackasses were re-elected in Connecticut. So it seems somebody is happy getting their pockets picked
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While I wouldn't call USA today the high water mark of news and facts, "So the Office of Personnel Management issued a proposed rule in August making clear that the government would continue to pay the employer contribution for congressional health benefits at the same rate as if members were still on the federal plan"
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"members of Congress will also be able to purchase their insurance under terms that are more favorable than other employees"

Sounds like special treatment to me
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First of all, Congressmen have always gotten superior healthcare compared to other federal employees. So if there was ever special treatment, it's been in place LONG since before the ACA.

Second, all federal employees get healthcare reimbursement, again since long before the ACA. I didn't hear anybody complaining about that before the whole Obamacare thing.
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FWIW, I'm not a supporter of the ACA. Fact is my pretty good and pretty affordable healthcare through my employer has just been cancelled, and I will be required to find my own healthcare like everyone else. I'm pretty worried that the price is going to skyrocket and I'll get half the coverage when I do sign up.

But despite the fact that I'm very opposed to this, I'm not regurgitating every rumor I hear about the ACA simply because I don't agree with it.
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^ yeah that was the theme of my original statement:

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Isn't there better things to argue about than jerkyboy and his healthcare plan?!!
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ObamaCare is called CHANGE. Remember the campaign, we need CHANGE, YES WE CAN, YES WE CAN. Obama is just following through with his promise to us! Just remember that, Obama has told us time and time again, that George Bush created all of the problems that we are faced with, and that he Obama is here to fix them, and the ObamaCare Website is currently fulfilling his LEGACY!
So let's all get BEHIND HIM, and support his DREAM of ObamaCare, or as I seen on another post, ObamaScare.

I just bet, that if he could run for a third term, that ObamaCare alone would get him real elected!

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