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Old 10-22-2013, 04:38 PM   #61
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were all screwed our freinds to the north changed the requirements for entering the country and the southern border hasnt been to freindly since it got supplied with plenty of ammo and guns ................. Were all screwed

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BREAKING NEWS:
Stewart, who is one of the nasty commentators on MSNBC, and Opera, who both have been, Obamas far left Liberal ongoing supporters. Came out today, and said that they can no longer support ObamaCare. Just maybe, some are finally taking off their blinders!

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Common and broken rebuttal, but nice try anyway

I believe congress, senate and the president do NOT have to participate in obamacare, because they are already enrolled in a healthcare plan from their employer, the federal government. A very sumptuous plan, where almost 80% of the tab is picked up by their employer. I too have a plan thru my employer, and while not obligated to join obamacare, will be seeing sharp increases in my contribution to support those who will get it heavily subsidized
I believe you are confused about the ACA.

You must be enrolled in insurance. From a private provider. Approved with the new limits available on the exchange. How does congress avoid the mandate of having insurance by having insurance? Being enrolled through your employer is also bamerscare. There is NO single payer 'Obamacare' stipulation at all. There is no 'federal health plan'. There is no slush fund that your 95$ tax will go to and be handed out to poor people - that is what SSI is used for.

The secondary point is to remove the ties of insurance and employment, so everyone can go afford a plan. It doesn't work unless all us kids pay for all them old folks, but with SSI failing they had to find a way to enjoy the golden years... youngins be damned - again. You are getting to the point, though: It is a ponzi scheme, with the insurance company on top, and the guberment forcing the investors. It is also a facist policy (business controlling government), not socialism or communism (govt controlling business).
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Don't know about Virginia, but the same jackasses were re-elected in Connecticut. So it seems somebody is happy getting their pockets picked
We elected a tea-tard that voted to keep Shenadoah National Park closed during peak season (225,000 visitors in October, typically, and roughly 23% of annual business) even after the bipartisan bill went through - SNP, of course, being IN HIS DISTRICT. He voted to default for the first time in US history, and he voted to deny veterans health benefits and compensation. He voted not to track deadly viruses, or to allow the NIH to treat very ill individuals, including children with cancer. That's how American robert hurt is.
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We elected a tea-tard that voted to keep Shenadoah National Park closed during peak season (225,000 visitors in October, typically, and roughly 23% of annual business) even after the bipartisan bill went through - SNP, of course, being IN HIS DISTRICT. He voted to default for the first time in US history, and he voted to deny veterans health benefits and compensation. He voted not to track deadly viruses, or to allow the NIH to treat very ill individuals, including children with cancer. That's how American robert hurt is.
Actually, the house passed measures to fund several of those things individually during the shutdown....


I heard it described today as accurately as I've ever heard anything in my life:
Politics is exactly like pro wrestling. There's a big show of opposing sides fighting desperately to win a huge battle. But, if you look a little closer you see that the opponents are actually just working together for their own mutual payoff.
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Actually, the house passed measures to fund several of those things individually during the shutdown....

I heard it described today as accurately as I've ever heard anything in my life:
Politics is exactly like pro wrestling. There's a big show of opposing sides fighting desperately to win a huge battle. But, if you look a little closer you see that the opponents are actually just working together for their own mutual payoff.
Sort-of. He voted against HR 2775, the continueing operations act of 2014, after the senate passed it and sent it to the house Oct 16. The next day we would have extinguished borrowing power and within 10 days would have defaulted on payment. The VA had already stated the 17th cutoff would deny Nov 1 checks, regardless of when the govt came back online. He voted to prevent those checks... to cause that default. This is all after those house resolutions were essentially defeated, just like bamercaee has been repealed 42 times. No sugar coating to that.

The rest... right on the money.
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There is NO single payer ... stipulation at all.

That is the Oblundercare endgame.
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That is the endgame.
That is no secret. And the march started with the Continueing Omnibus Budget Resolution Act. Guess who signed that insurance mandate into law? Here's a clue - he warned of how dangerous a govt shutdown is.

It is the only logical way to have a 'must care' E.R., unless you'd rather pay 100% for people who just don't feel like paying. Or feel invincible. Or is it better to turn away poor children stricken with influenza and send them back to sit next to YOUR child in school?
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ObamaScare, ObamaScare WebSite, and Share the Wealth, have earned their daily applause, so let's give them a hand.........
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Well, over 300,000 Florida Residents, were given notice yesterday, that there insurance has been cancelled, because of ObamaScare. If I'm not mistaken, the state of Florida voted for Barrack, so what a way to repay loyal supporters..............
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It is simply amazing that a nation which waited so long to implement any healthcare reform is so expectant of immediate results from a website.



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Well, over 300,000 Florida Residents, were given notice yesterday, that there insurance has been cancelled, because of ObamaScare. If I'm not mistaken, the state of Florida voted for Barrack, what a way to repay loyal supporters..............
More half-truth non-starter straw man arguments?

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It is simply amazing that a nation which waited so long to implement any healthcare reform is so expectant of immediate results from a website.
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What amazes me is the excuses people make for them.
They had 3 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to build a website, and they couldn't even get that right. The same people who created housing projects and are bankrupting social security, who give foreign aid to our enemies yet let people starve at home, the same ones whose food chart tells us that Fruit Loops are better for you than an egg, those are the stupid motherfu###rs we're supposed to trust to do the right thing with healthcare? They can't even pull off building a website, something most community college kids could get done if given the same resources to work with.
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When you have a nation of nearly 300 million who all will need to sign up for health insurance using the same system in a window of 3 months, there are bound to be problems on rollout day.
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When you have a nation of nearly 300 million who all will need to sign up for health insurance using the same system in a window of 3 months, there are bound to be problems on rollout day.
This isn't a glitch or a problem on rollout day. This is a system failure. But, keep making excuses for their continuing failure to pull off the simplest things. The establishment needs people who will let any failure go on so they can keep their positions above us...
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It is simply amazing that a nation which waited so long to implement any healthcare reform is so expectant of immediate results from a website.





Yes, you are CORRECT....
Thank you for bringing it to my attention......

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME, OR ANYBODY ELSE, that would expect our Government to implement anything new, and do it right on the first, second, or third try. After all, they don't have any money, or knowledgeable resources to make it happen. AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE YOU EMPLOY!!!!!!!!!!!! HUUUUUUM, SINCE WE EMPLOY THEM, WELL MAYBE THEY ALL NEED TO BE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!

SHAME ON ME, I guess my expectations, of our current Administrations ability, were just set too high.........

I believe that this problem/issue is caused by me, maybe my Alzheimer's, or just too much Budweiser has taken it's toll..........
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This isn't a glitch or a problem on rollout day. This is a system failure. But, keep making excuses for their continuing failure to pull off the simplest things. The establishment needs people who will let any failure go on so they can keep their positions above us...
I take it you're not familiar with how government contracting works...
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THIS THREAD IS GREAT...........
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I take it you're not familiar with how government contracting works...
Please enlighten me on the processes.
I'm familiar with the way contracting works in the real world. As a utility contractor, when I bid a job I'm expected to return a product that meets very certain criteria for an agreed-upon sum of money. I'd like to hear what it is about government contracting that is so different that we shouldn't expect a product that works.
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Turning in a half-assed product and charging 10x what a premium rate would be sounds like a pretty good gig. How do I get on the list to be a government contractor?
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What amazes me is the excuses people make for them.
They had 3 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to build a website, and they couldn't even get that right. The same people who created housing projects and are bankrupting social security, who give foreign aid to our enemies yet let people starve at home, the same ones whose food chart tells us that Fruit Loops are better for you than an egg, those are the stupid motherfu###rs we're supposed to trust to do the right thing with healthcare? They can't even pull off building a website, something most community college kids could get done if given the same resources to work with.
Not making excuses for anybody, or for any system. It is a common fact that when any new system is implemented (particularly computer related) it is expected to experience "growing pains". For this exact reason, the system was implemented months before the actual start date happens. This allows them time to work out the kinks. Ever know a first production automobile that didn't have problems?

Furthering along, the federal government does not want you to see what the actual premium cost is. The vast majority of Americans will qualify for subsidized privately purchased health insurance. If you saw what the premiums cost -that is what your payment and the government payment together total - you would be outraged. They make you "log in" so that they can figure out what Subsidies you do qualify for and then show you your actual cost of the plan. So that people don't bitch about how it's not affordable. Well, if 60 million people click 'buy' on Amazon at the same time I'm pretty sure their server would go down, too.

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Turning in a half-assed product and charging 10x what a premium rate would be sounds like a pretty good gig. How do I get on the list to be a government contractor?
Sell things that kill humans. They pay loads of cash for that, sometimes even no questions asked.
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After reading the Posts in this Thread, well it is real easy to determine, which Members have worked in the private Industry, and which have, or had Government jobs.

Private Industry hold employees accountable for their contribution to the success of the Company. And that includes doing it right the first time, but if not, admitting and learning from your mistakes, so that they are not repeated.

Government, doesn't believe in accountability, and will always make excuses for lack of performance, and let's not forget, to always blame somebody else.
Your Comments, says it all!
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After reading the Posts in this Thread, well it is real easy to determine, which Members have worked in the private Industry, and which have, or had Government jobs.

Private Industry hold employees accountable for their contribution to the success of the Company. And that includes doing it right the first time, but if not, admitting and learning from your mistakes, so that they are not repeated.

Government, doesn't believe in accountability, and will always make excuses for lack of performance, and let's not forget, to always blame somebody else.
Your Comments, says it all!
You know what they say about making assumptions...

And golden parachutes, a symbol of private industry, REALLY force someone to be "accountable", eh?



The only thing obvious from these posts is who has done their homework and who is regurgitating Rush Limbaugh talking points (With no accountability for the truth).
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You know what they say about making assumptions...




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Definition of the word ASSUME, makes a ASS OUT OF YOU AND ME.
I guess, that is why I never use that word. I would like to think that it doesn't apply to either one of us, but rather our opinions very drastically, based on the Industry that we grew up in!!!!!!
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Thanks OP, now we can sleep at night!

I'm now on my way to pick up a new computer, so I can download!
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Thanks OP, now we can sleep at night!

I'm now on my way to pick up a new computer, so I can download!
Just remember, if you're using Windows 3.1 you must be in MS-DOS compatability mode. Also, some private contractors are putting a version onto 5.25" floppys so Commodore 64 users won't have to make any changes to their system...
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Just remember, if you're using Windows 3.1 you must be in MS-DOS compatability mode. Also, some private contractors are putting a version onto 5.25" floppys so Commodore 64 users won't have to make any changes to their system...
It sounds like my Windows 8, is just too advanced for it. Fortunately, I still have my old reliable Commodore 64. It hasn't been plugged in for several years, well anyway, Commodore 64 to the rescue!
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Definition of the word ASSUME, makes a ASS OUT OF YOU AND ME.
I guess, that is why I never use that word. I would like to think that it doesn't apply to either one of us, but rather our opinions very drastically, based on the Industry that we grew up in!!!!!!
Oh... Well from your post it seemed like you were from the private sector, but as we have varying views, you must have been raised on the gub'ments dime. Good thing we ain't assumin.


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Now all we need is for SRTie4k to come explain gubment contracting to us so I'll understand why catastrophic failure should be acceptable, and expected....
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Private sector,, Government,
Giving each other a headache,
Now let's get back on the OPs Thread subject, OBAMASCARE, Yes, Yes, get your wallets and purses ready, because the costs are going to blow your mind...........

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