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Old 10-29-2008, 05:22 PM   #1
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Obama's not qualified?

so i just found out today that obama would not be qualified for a job in the cia, secret service, or any sort of national security/body guard. why? i'm glad you asked

the extensive background searches that are conducted. if you are suspected of any type of relations with undesirable organizations ie: terrorists, radicals.... you are disqualified.

the amount of documentation linking obama to such people in books and so on, would disqualify him immediately. they would not screw around, they would say sorry buddy, try mcdonalds i hear they're hiring. but somehow he can be president.

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He wouldn't even qualify to serve in the US Air Force, he has admitted to cocaine use which is an automatic disqualifier.

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So the CIA is known for being particularly picky?

The CIA and Nazi War Criminals

I guess the AirForce would rather give the standard issue speed.

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I'm qualified. Oh wait.... there was that one incident...



well never mind, no one will find out.... I'm qualified.
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That man really is an Obamanation........

And I meant to spell it that way. Rumor has it that Webster's Dictionary is going to rescind the original spelling for this new version. I think it works quite nicely.
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So the CIA is known for being particularly picky?

The CIA and Nazi War Criminals
Not sure if you actually read the article but General Reinhard Gehlen wasn't in the CIA, he was the German army's intelligence chief. Also many times it is necessary to utilize less than prestigious individuals to get the dirt on criminals (but you probably shouldn't put them in the White House).

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I guess the AirForce would rather give the standard issue speed.

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Not exactly sure what to say when you are comparing cocaine to a legal drug that is necessary to keep combat pilots awake on extremely long and draining missions. Having probably not been in a wartime situation you wouldn't know what it takes to have your fellow soldiers/marines/airman/sailors depending on you with their lives, and vice versa.
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My understanding is that the CIA brought in several high ranking Nazis because, as you say, they had information based on experimentation relating to torture and interrogation. What is doubly ironic is that we still use that information and ignore the fact that the methods tested were highly effective in extracting false information.
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For example, current records show that at least five associates of the notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann worked for the CIA, 23 other Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment, and at least 100 officers within the Gehlen organization were former SD or Gestapo officers. (Note 2)
Do you really believe the CIA would not use Obama if he had a skill set that was in demand?

As for the speed. A molecule is a molecule. I believe cocaine is used, if not widely, in the medical field. The AirForce has a history of working with drugs in an effort to improve battlefield performance.

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But amphetamines, no matter the dose, are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration to combat fatigue, and are listed by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule Two narcotic, in the same category as cocaine.
Know any ex-Military folk that are non-functional crack heads now? I do. More than one. And it is sad to know that their addictions started in the armed forces.
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Well it is nice to see that this thread has taken the typical Obama campaign turn off from the original issue. Anyway that you look at it, if a person isn't qualified to be in the countries military should that same person really be in charge of it?
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I don't believe anyone can claim any parts of the government/military are squeaky clean. But that fact has nothing to do with whether Senator Obama can pass the requirements of either the AirForce or security clearance.
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With all respect, you need to put that in an historical light. FDR, among others, wouldn't have made the cut. Our current presidents alcohol issues after his "service" would probably have been an issue.

Right now I think we need someone with some perspective on constitutional history and an ability to build alliances with other nations. I suspect whoever is elected will end up escalating the war, much in the fashion of LBJ, and will fail at repairing the economy.

Strategically I would think the Republicans might take the opportunity to blame Obama for the mistakes of the previous administration and use his term to rebuild the base.
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Can I ask you why you placed service in quotes?
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I don't believe anyone can claim any parts of the government/military are squeaky clean. But that fact has nothing to do with whether Senator Obama can pass the requirements of either the AirForce or security clearance.
You are right, but the irony still sits in the thread like an 800 lb ape.
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Can I ask you why you placed service in quotes?
I think that is a rhetorical question.
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So what you are saying is that just because OJ Simpson killed his wife and got away with it, then it is ok for you to do the same thing?

Ultimately no one is saying that the Presidents of the past have been perfect, but should you knowingly put someone in office that isn't "qualified" to be in either the CIA or the Air Force?
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I think that is a rhetorical question.

You might think that, but I don't usually ask rhetorical questions. They waste my time and I'm not out for some gotchya moment.
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Know any ex-Military folk that are non-functional crack heads now? I do. More than one. And it is sad to know that their addictions started in the armed forces.

I don't know ANY crackheads. I don't run in those circles. However I do know a few soldiers/sailors/airmen/and I hate to admit it, Marines. ( ) And none of them are crackheads. So I could make the argument that there is a less than average usage of drugs in the military compared to the rest of the private sector. It all depends on where you look, don't you think?
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i don't know any crackheads. I don't run in those circles. However i do know a few soldiers/sailors/airmen/and i hate to admit it, marines. ( ) and none of them are crackheads. So i could make the argument that there is a less than average usage of drugs in the military compared to the rest of the private sector. It all depends on where you look, don't you think?
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I don't know ANY crackheads. I don't run in those circles. However I do know a few soldiers/sailors/airmen/and I hate to admit it, Marines. ( ) And none of them are crackheads. So I could make the argument that there is a less than average usage of drugs in the military compared to the rest of the private sector. It all depends on where you look, don't you think?
With a little imagination you might come up with some scenarios in which someone might know a crackhead without following them around or participating in their lifestyle. Why would I look for ex-Military crackheads? Why would anyone? It could be that I have a cousin that was a Marine, Master Marksman and later long term recruiter responsible for placing thousands of young people in service. Or, that I have a good friend that lives in Sweden whose younger brother I knew 10 years ago is now a long term speed user and flunky that started using while in service. Both are now speed addicted, stealing cars from family and generally screwing up. Very sad. And guess what. I didn't have to search these stories out. They were just a part of my life, and the families that have been ruined by their issues are patriotic military families. Go figure.
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Were they pilots? Since that was the link you posted. Pilots given speed. Being in the military does not make you immune to illegal drugs. Also being in the military when addiction occurs doesn't make it the DoD's fault that you are addicted. Half the facts, and broad sweeping generalizations.

Put it in perspective. I know several retired military men. My uncle (oh yeah, he was a pilot). Now chief of police in Padre. My father, retired from long years working quality control. Cain, retired, unfortunately being tormented by me. We all know people. One doesn't not overshadow the next and still doesn't change the fact that Obama cannot pass security screening.
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You can find drug users just about anywhere you look, and if your friends started using while in the Service it doesn't mean the military made them do it. People can make poor choices on their own even if they are in the military, but I would be willing to wager great sums of money that there are far less illegal drug users in the military than in the civilan population!
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3 words. Mandatory drug screening. It's unlike the civilian version of drug screening. If they are "using" in the military its only a matter of time before they are caught.
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so i just found out today that obama would not be qualified for a job in the cia, secret service, or any sort of national security/body guard. why? i'm glad you asked

the extensive background searches that are conducted. if you are suspected of any type of relations with undesirable organizations ie: terrorists, radicals.... you are disqualified.

the amount of documentation linking obama to such people in books and so on, would disqualify him immediately. they would not screw around, they would say sorry buddy, try mcdonalds i hear they're hiring. but somehow he can be president.
in all seriousness couldn't you say the same about g.w. bush though, due to his affiliations with the bin laden family? i could be way off thought, i'm not real good with the politics facts and stats.
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I think that is a rhetorical question.

OK... I've been quiet long enough! I realize as Presidents go, this one has been less than popular... But I have to draw the line.

How dare you question his service?! You tell me that you have served this country in one of the uniformed services and I will retract this post. But until you do or unless you put on the uniform and sacrifice your time, family and way of life all the while knowing that at any minute your life could be on the line, you have absolutely NO right to ever put the word SERVICE in quotes as if the person in question was just phoning it in.

I am a veteran who just happens to have had an issue with alcohol. I dare you to question my service! I dare you! You have no idea what I have seen or what President Bush has seen. And until you do, you have ZERO ground to make ANY presumptions as to what kind of service either of us have offered to YOUR freedom. And before you start the whole "well he was only national guard" bullshit... The National Guard and Active Duty fight side-by-side on the battlefield!

I would highly suggest you check yourself and quit trying to come off like you have ANY clue to how the real world is what so ever. To me you are NOTHING but a little Troll trying to get attention!

Mods and Admin... If the post I have just made is in any way a violation to the rules of this forum I will gladly walk away. It's been fun and I've had so much fun here. But know this... I will NEVER set idly by while someone who has no clue what it is to sacrifice questions the service of ANY member of the armed forces, especially in the current climate.

People need to understand once and for all that the freedom they have to be retarded on the internet is owed to the ones who have served and sacrificed and NOT to the ones who partake in arm chair politics. I know 54 personally who would agree if they were still alive!
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So do you have to have a birth certificate to get into the CIA or Military?
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OK... I've been quiet long enough! I realize as Presidents go, this one has been less than popular... But I have to draw the line.

How dare you question his service?! You tell me that you have served this country in one of the uniformed services and I will retract this post. But until you do or unless you put on the uniform and sacrifice your time, family and way of life all the while knowing that at any minute your life could be on the line, you have absolutely NO right to ever put the word SERVICE in quotes as if the person in question was just phoning it in.

I am a veteran who just happens to have had an issue with alcohol. I dare you to question my service! I dare you! You have no idea what I have seen or what President Bush has seen. And until you do, you have ZERO ground to make ANY presumptions as to what kind of service either of us have offered to YOUR freedom. And before you start the whole "well he was only national guard" bullshit... The National Guard and Active Duty fight side-by-side on the battlefield!

I would highly suggest you check yourself and quit trying to come off like you have ANY clue to how the real world is what so ever. To me you are NOTHING but a little Troll trying to get attention!

Mods and Admin... If the post I have just made is in any way a violation to the rules of this forum I will gladly walk away. It's been fun and I've had so much fun here. But know this... I will NEVER set idly by while someone who has no clue what it is to sacrifice questions the service of ANY member of the armed forces, especially in the current climate.

People need to understand once and for all that the freedom they have to be retarded on the internet is owed to the ones who have served and sacrificed and NOT to the ones who partake in arm chair politics. I know 54 personally who would agree if they were still alive!

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So do you have to have a birth certificate to get into the CIA or Military?
You have to have the balls.
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This thread is about using military criteria to screen for the Presidency. BTW I had not read ccain's post when I made the birth cert. crack. Anyone's alcohol issues or whatever is their own business. I believe the record shows that Bush used his family name to advantage and was simply not present while he was supposed to be on duty. We all have lost friends and family in wars, and nothing I've posted in this thread reflects poorly on anyone's service. Bush's record is what it is—his record. Nothing more and nothing less.

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You have to have the balls.
Well actually Tiny; balls are not necessary, since all branches of the US Military allow women! jk

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