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Old 01-09-2012, 06:33 PM   #1
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Off road with a stick

Hey forum! I was just wondering what are some do's and dont's of wheeling with a stick? Along with any tips and tricks to preform the best!

I have never been off roading and to me it would seem difficult with a manual trans, yet I see tons of YouTube videos of people doing it relatively easy. How do they do it?

I apologize if there is already a thread about this, I didn't really try very hard looking.

Personal experiences are a plus and feel free to story tell!

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It all comes with practice. You will eventually learn what works best for you. In most cases you are probably moving relatively slow. When in 4LO and first gear the jeep will simply crawl along without any gas and the clutch out completely. Your best bet is to go out wheeling, and just practice. I wheel a stick shift. At times it can get a little tricky, but you will eventually get a handle on it.

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Old 01-09-2012, 06:46 PM   #3
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you don't shift much while off-roading, i know that where i go i don't at least.
Some obvious things would be find the gear you need.
-If your off-roading your not going so fast, so first or second is probably what your going to be in. my experience with this... i was in second and went through a very long, not too deep, water hole and at the end i slowed down too much to keep it alive so i had to hit the clutch but i got stuck because of my loss of momentum, so i put it in first and 4wd and got out just fine.
-If your in sand or going through an obstacle, don't shift... you'll probably roll back or slow down so much that you'll get stuck.
Thats all i can hunk of really,its not difficult, just different. I like it more with the stick.
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I like the manual for hill descent, esp in 4LO and 1st gear.

Offroading just takes practice. I prefer a manual, and feel I'm more gentle on the rig with the stick. I just creep. Keeping traction is easier IMO.
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4-Lo and it pretty much drives itself.....
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4-Lo and it pretty much drives itself.....
So for the most part when in 4 lo I don't have to really worry about it stalling AS much? Just work the gas?
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So for the most part when in 4 lo I don't have to really worry about it stalling AS much? Just work the gas?
U can still stall but it takes a little more.
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Mine doesn't stall even In 2wd
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Also, try not to shift in water.

and know the terrain, some require finess (skill), some require momentum. IF you don't know which one is which, you could get into trouble.
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I have a stock 2.5L and have come close to stalling out in situations that were in no means ideal. Obviously you can only go so fast depending on whats under your wheels.

Now is this a sign of taking on something too much for the engine/operator? Or would changing my gear ratio in the diffs fix the problem?
(was in 4Lo and Hi different situations)
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When I'm offroad, I am usually in 4Lo, first gear. I never touch the clutch. I shut off the engine in gear without the clutch, and I start without the clutch. The Wrangler and CJ are both easily started when in gear by just turning the key and rolling into running motion. You won't break traction, and no clutch burning. I have climbed over trees and large stumps/rocks just using the starter to get rolling. Does not hurt the vehicle and saves your clutch. I don't think I get over 5-7 mph when I'm offroad, but that's how I roll....

I did forget...you guys that have the ignition interlock, this might not work for you. You can't start without the clutch engaged...I don't have this switch on my rigs, and if I did, I would have it by-passed to eliminate it so this type of driving is able to be achieved.
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when i'm offroad, i am usually in 4lo, first gear. I never touch the clutch. I shut off the engine in gear without the clutch, and i start without the clutch. The wrangler and cj are both easily started when in gear by just turning the key and rolling into running motion. You won't break traction, and no clutch burning. I have climbed over trees and large stumps/rocks just using the starter to get rolling. Does not hurt the vehicle and saves your clutch. I don't think i get over 5-7 mph when i'm offroad, but that's how i roll....
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When I'm offroad, I am usually in 4Lo, first gear. I never touch the clutch. I shut off the engine in gear without the clutch, and I start without the clutch. The Wrangler and CJ are both easily started when in gear by just turning the key and rolling into running motion. You won't break traction, and no clutch burning. I have climbed over trees and large stumps/rocks just using the starter to get rolling. Does not hurt the vehicle and saves your clutch. I don't think I get over 5-7 mph when I'm offroad, but that's how I roll....

I did forget...you guys that have the ignition interlock, this might not work for you. You can't start without the clutch engaged...I don't have this switch on my rigs, and if I did, I would have it by-passed to eliminate it so this type of driving is able to be achieved.
Didnt even know that was possible. Will have to look in to it.
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Hit the trail with a full tank or atleast 3/4 full. 4 lo uses more gas. If the trials are tight and the group is creeping use 4 lo because alot of shifting between 1st and 2nd in 4 hi is hard on your clutch. If they are rolling at good speed between play areas switch it back to 4 hi and save some gas.

For me personally if we are hitting mud holes on a trail I am in 4 hi 2nd gear and hitting at a descent speed. If you are going too slow and have to shift you are opening your clutch mechanism up to the mud/sand mix and it is not happy.

I have a thumb throttle which is mainly for playing on the rocks but is a huge help when needed
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Hit the trail with a full tank or atleast 3/4 full. 4 lo uses more gas. If the trials are tight and the group is creeping use 4 lo because alot of shifting between 1st and 2nd in 4 hi is hard on your clutch. If they are rolling at good speed between play areas switch it back to 4 hi and save some gas.

For me personally if we are hitting mud holes on a trail I am in 4 hi 2nd gear and hitting at a descent speed. If you are going too slow and have to shift you are opening your clutch mechanism up to the mud/sand mix and it is not happy.

I have a thumb throttle which is mainly for playing on the rocks but is a huge help when needed
Can you explain to me basically what a thumb throttle is and how it's set up? Are there any write-ups about it on here?
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i love my stick off road, 4low 2nd gear, never really shift, i bypassed my nuteral safety switch by putting a fuse in the lower left corner of my fuse panel, now it starts without the clutch
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what they said... i mostly go 4lo in 3'rd gear (have a 6 speed) and for hills or any rock / rough things i drop to 2'ed gear and just gas when needed, if your rock climbing a hill or driving over things you just feather in and out of the gas to keep it running, ive had mine at less then 300 rpms and it was fine.. just feather the gas to keep it running and keep crawling..

I hope your going with a group.. dont be affraid to ask for help or advice
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I suppose I am going to have to learn how to off road all over again since my new toy is an automatic
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just gas and go
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Thumb throttle---think of the gear shifter lever that used to be on bicycles. This is mounted to your stick with the cable running out to your throttle body. You can focus on just the clutch and the brake. Comes in handy on the rocks or other situations where you can't drift back any. Sucks having little feet sometimes lol

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