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Old 12-08-2008, 01:34 PM   #1
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My wife's 2000 Neon is getting tired and starting to cost more to keep running than it's worth, so I'd like to get her something new - untitled 2008 or 2009. It has to be 4WD or AWD for Cleveland winters (no offroading). Other priorities are safety rating (obviously for her, plus she hauls the grand kids around a lot), reliability rating, MPG should be at least 20/26 or so, and the sticker has got to be no more than in the 23K range. (Edit: And 4 doors for easy use of child seats)

I guess we're probably looking at a compact SUV/Crossover type vehicle. I spent a little time researching and was a little disappointed, (but not really surprised), that American cars rated pretty low compared to foreign. Generally the only one in the top ten or so was the Escape, and my wife hates Fords. The top rated ones that seem to fit my criteria were the Honda CR-V and Toyota Rav4. The Jeeps like the Compass and Patriot rated relatively low in reliability, but those rating groups seem to always hate Jeeps anyway. Anyone driven any of these Jeeps or the Jap utes? Any other ideas? Thanks.

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Old 12-08-2008, 01:48 PM   #2
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i hate new vehicles these days. even the new jeep models, daimler has gotten too far in it, and they are junk. nothing beats a good ol xj they should've never stopped making those.

but, i tell you i've been pleasently suprised with the subaru's i've seen. mainly outback. the ones i've seen were all over or around 100k, and the customers loved them, with no probs. and they were actually in good shape. usually when someone says "i've never had to do anything in 100k" that means they're junk, cuz they've just ignored everything.

they actually have maintenance schedules, instead of saying, we don't need anything till 100k.

whatever new vehicle you buy, spring for the extended warranty, and if you don't know much about warranties, take the warranty info to a trusted mechanic, and make sure its a good warranty. i've seen way too many cars just out of original warranty these days (36k only takes most people 2 yrs) with computerized problems, that are expensive. and some warranties are hokey, and only pay like $60/hr in labor (leaving you to pay the balance), and not many places are much under $100/hr anymore, and some won't cover certain electronics and computerized junk.

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Subaru Forrester!... or a Legacy Outback.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:06 PM   #4
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:30 PM   #5
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If you want new then get a Liberty. I love our '08. We drove a Patriot AWD also, nice little cross-over and did well on the interstate. If you go used, find an XJ, had 2 and loved them. One, the wife totalled pretty bad and only sprained her ankle.
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we had a liberty for my family, traded it with just under 100k, it did hold up well. the rack was leaking, but that was my only complaint.

i'm suprised at the subaru fans here, i thought i was gonna be the only one to bring it up.

wrx is one of the fastest cars i've ever driven, turbo i believe. outback or forrester is more practical.
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Old 12-08-2008, 03:05 PM   #8
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Just did some searching on the Subarus. I'm liking the Forester. Meets the criteria and is better looking than the CR-V and Rav4. Thanks!

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If you want new then get a Liberty. I love our '08. We drove a Patriot AWD also, nice little cross-over and did well on the interstate. If you go used, find an XJ, had 2 and loved them. One, the wife totalled pretty bad and only sprained her ankle.
Glad to hear she was okay. It seems most of these small suvs have great crash ratings. The wife deserves a new vehicle. The main concern I have with the Jeeps is the reliability ratings are generally around 4/10 compared to the others that got 8 to 10/10 . Of course, that includes the Wrangler, so I suppose I could say, "Who cares!" Plus, I'm not sure how accurate those ratings actually are.
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Old 12-08-2008, 03:17 PM   #9
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wrx is one of the fastest cars i've ever driven, turbo i believe. outback or forrester is more practical.
Yeah, speed is not really a priority. But she does have a cello she hauls around, so space is nice.
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another one for subaru...they can last for ever, decent gas, great handling, awd and look pretty nice
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We test drove the Patriot. I really loved it and wanted to get it. My wife wanted something bigger. We ended up getting a lightly used XK (Commander) for much less than the Patriot. The XK has a 3rd row, possibly handy for kids, and is standard w/ side airbags. The XK doesn't have the gas mileage you're looking for, but like I said, I drove and really liked the Patriot.
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:26 PM   #13
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Just visited SubaruForester.org forum and found a poll asking Forester owners if they would buy another one. About 168 replied to the poll so far with 79.76% saying they would buy another one. Not too shabby. 14.88% would stick with Subaru but would buy either the Impreza or Outback instead.
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We test drove the Patriot. I really loved it and wanted to get it. My wife wanted something bigger. We ended up getting a lightly used XK (Commander) for much less than the Patriot. The XK has a 3rd row, possibly handy for kids, and is standard w/ side airbags. The XK doesn't have the gas mileage you're looking for, but like I said, I drove and really liked the Patriot.
Thanks! We will check out the Patriot and Compass since I'd prefer to stay with an American product, especially Jeep! But I want the best quality for the money - if there is such a thing.
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As an owner of a Subaru Legacy I truly enjoy the car. This is my second Subaru, got this one fully loaded a little over a year ago. Great car, no problems, get around 25mpg in the city with AWD and it is a very responsive little car. Truly depends on what you are looking for from a vehicle but Subaru seems to make well built cars at reasonable prices.
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Subaru (Any kind will do, whatever tickles your fancy)
Jeep compass/patriot 4wd
Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix (same car) AWD

nothing else is really coming to mind right now for a AWD/4wd sedan that gets 26mpg highway. There are some crossovers, but they are pushing the MPG boundaries.
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Just did some searching on the Subarus. I'm liking the Forester. Meets the criteria and is better looking than the CR-V and Rav4. Thanks!
I've test drove a couple of Foresters and will no doubt own one some day. I've been a Subaru fan for some time and the Forester is one of them grocery-getters that really make me smile... especially in 2.5XT trim.
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