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Old 11-09-2011, 09:39 PM   #1
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He was going to retire, as of tonight, he is fired.
Sorry, but he was responsible for the actions that took place, as a head coach he takes full responsibility. He should have done more.
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No, because he is head coach people think he should take all the responsibility. The streets of State College will riot tonight. I'm pissed.
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He deserves to be fired along with anyone else at that university that knowingly ignored a pedophile and did not report it to the appropriate authorities.

It's not about what he did do but what he did not do when made aware of the issue.
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He's the scapegoat. It's sickening.
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He's the scapegoat. It's sickening.
As I understand it he is the third to be fired so I wouldn't say that's entirely accurate.
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He shouldn't have been involved period. I only care about Joe Paterno, because the only issue he's involved in is being Joe Paterno.
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he says he did report but idk. its sickening to think that stuff would go on in a collage. these students arn't little kids.
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he says he did report but idk. its sickening to think that stuff would go on in a collage. these students arn't little kids.
It wasn't necessarily with the college-aged students. I read that the incident Joe Paterno reported was Sandusky molesting a 10-yr old in the locker room shower.

I believe he should have been fired years ago. Yes, he reported the incident. What he didn't do (or maybe we just don't know about it) was to follow up on the actions taken by the university, and to ensure that legal actions would take place. They brushed it under the rug to save face (and MANY colleges/universities do the same with rape/date rape incidents). I hate child molesters more than I hate enemy insurgents. If I was Joe Paterno, I would have made SURE that Sandusky was behind bars instead of letting it sit on the back burner and turning a blind cheek. Paterno is paying the price for what he didn't do rather than what he did do, and I think it's the right price.

My theory is this: If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Paterno was NO part of that solution. With his support and power, he could have resolved that issue in a hurry, just by having the name of Joe Paterno. He chose not to and THAT'S what this firing is all about.
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He shouldn't have been involved period. I only care about Joe Paterno, because the only issue he's involved in is being Joe Paterno.
He admitted that he didn't take action, but should have. How can you possibly defend that? How can you stand up for or believe anything he says or stands for when he knowingly ignored the fact that a member of his staff was abusing boys?

Being a Penn Stae fan is one thing, but defending such actions because you are a fan is disgusting.
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It wasn't necessarily with the college-aged students. I read that the incident Joe Paterno reported was Sandusky molesting a 10-yr old in the locker room shower.

I believe he should have been fired years ago. Yes, he reported the incident. What he didn't do (or maybe we just don't know about it) was to follow up on the actions taken by the university, and to ensure that legal actions would take place. They brushed it under the rug to save face (and MANY colleges/universities do the same with rape/date rape incidents). I hate child molesters more than I hate enemy insurgents. If I was Joe Paterno, I would have made SURE that Sandusky was behind bars instead of letting it sit on the back burner and turning a blind cheek. Paterno is paying the price for what he didn't do rather than what he did do, and I think it's the right price.

My theory is this: If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Paterno was NO part of that solution. With his support and power, he could have resolved that issue in a hurry, just by having the name of Joe Paterno. He chose not to and THAT'S what this firing is all about.
I would ordinarily be right there with you on this, but it is much more complicated than just going on a witch hunt. I've had the misfortune of having a few child abuse cases (both true and alleged) cross my desk over the years and you can't just throw somebody under the bus for them, you have to go through appropriate channels and due process. Once these things get to the police the life of the accused is ruined even if they are innocent. The accused then typically sues the accuser for defamation of character, libel, slander, et al and rightfully so. Paterno did not personally witness the incident, it was reported to him by his assistant coach. The assistant coach is the one who should have gone to authorities, not Paterno. Paterno did EXACTLY what he should have done: he reported it to his superiors. Any action he had taken would have been as Joe Paterno and the action needed to be taken by Penn State University.

As someone else said he is nothing more than a scapegoat in this. He is an easy target and makes it easy to send a synthesized message that the university is doing something about it. If they really wanted to do something about it they should have done so when the incident was reported.
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He admitted that he didn't take action, but should have. How can you possibly defend that? How can you stand up for or believe anything he says or stands for when he knowingly ignored the fact that a member of his staff was abusing boys?

Being a Penn Stae fan is one thing, but defending such actions because you are a fan is disgusting.
He admitted that with the benefit of hindsight. At the time he had no way of knowing what actually happened because he didn't see it with his own eyes. If he had seen it with his own eyes it changes things, but he didn't.
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I would ordinarily be right there with you on this, but it is much more complicated than just going on a witch hunt. I've had the misfortune of having a few child abuse cases (both true and alleged) cross my desk over the years and you can't just throw somebody under the bus for them, you have to go through appropriate channels and due process. Once these things get to the police the life of the accused is ruined even if they are innocent. The accused then typically sues the accuser for defamation of character, libel, slander, et al and rightfully so. Paterno did not personally witness the incident, it was reported to him by his assistant coach. The assistant coach is the one who should have gone to authorities, not Paterno. Paterno did EXACTLY what he should have done: he reported it to his superiors. Any action he had taken would have been as Joe Paterno and the action needed to be taken by Penn State University.

As someone else said he is nothing more than a scapegoat in this. He is an easy target and makes it easy to send a synthesized message that the university is doing something about it. If they really wanted to do something about it they should have done so when the incident was reported.
Your opinion is that he did the right thing? Or that he did what he was obliged to do? Because those are two different things in my eyes. He was obliged to report it. The RIGHT thing was to pursue action, whether to prove Sandusky innocent or guilty. JOE PATERNO was responsible for his underlings...that's the way of the world, especially in our knee-jerk society.
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Upon hearing of the incident from an eyewitness, later identified as Mike McQueary, who is now the team's wide-receivers coach, Paterno reported it to athletic director Tim Curley but not to police, according to state prosecutors.
Although Paterno has not been charged in the case, Pennsylvania state police commissioner Frank Noonan suggested there was a "moral responsibility" to contact police about potential sexual abuse involving children.
Curley and Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, have been charged with perjury in connection with their testimony before a grand jury considering the evidence against Sandusky. They allegedly failed to notify authorities about the alleged abuse. Curley and Schultz have maintained their innocence
A coach communicates with the AD all the time. If the AD didn't report it to the authorities, then Paterno should have. This was all about keeping Penn State out of the media. The plan back fired just a little.
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He shouldn't have been involved period. I only care about Joe Paterno, because the only issue he's involved in is being Joe Paterno.
You clearly have no perspective on this issue. You obviously have not read the Grand Jury testimony or Joe Paterno's own statements on the matter.

He knew that something horrific had been done to children, in his facilities, on his watch. Head coaches are paid a lot of money to know what is going on.

He was paid not only to be a head football coach, but also to lead his program.

That means, when things go wrong on your watch, you are going to be held accountable.

CEOs get fired for this, Navy ship captains are relieved of duty for this.

At the end of the day, the issue is not Joe Paterno. The issue is there was a sick man who raped children and people at PSU knew about it, but did nothing about it. The entire institution failed those children, Joe Pa just happened to be one of the leaders that failed them. This is not "allegation". This is grand jury testimony from the rapist and witnesses. It DID happen.

Be mad about that. That's what you SHOULD be mad about, if you are truly a fan of Joe Pa and Penn State.
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Legally, he did what he had to do.
Morally, he failed terribly.

If you know PSU, you know Joe is God there. If he saw nothing ever came of these allegations, he should have spoken up about it. I do feel he's being overly crucified in the media, but he dropped the ball here. This is a VERY serious issue, and involves multiple children. The University KNOWINGLY covered this up for almost a decade. This would have been all over the news if it had come out. The Local D.A. had a case against Sandusky back when this was happening, and he disappeared. It may be a coincidence, it may not. No indication disappearance of DA tied to Sandusky allegations

When this plays out, I have a feeling it's going to go really deep. PSU is BIG business in PA and the region. You cannot comprehend the power that university holds unless you're living in the area.
Joe had to go, and it breaks my heart to say it. I've been a PSU fans since I was a kid. They did things the old school way. Tradition and teamwork. We NEVER in a million years thought something like this would happen at PSU. I held this man in such high regard, but knowing he had a skeleton like this in his closet sickens me. This is not about a goddamn football coach, it's about ruining the lives of children. He knew what happened, he didn't do all that he should have. I've turned my back on the entire University. Now these morons in State College have the nerve to riot? You want to make an already despicable situation even worse? These people are sub-human, and I spit on every single person who rioted in the streets over this.
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Your opinion is that he did the right thing? Or that he did what he was obliged to do? Because those are two different things in my eyes. He was obliged to report it. The RIGHT thing was to pursue action, whether to prove Sandusky innocent or guilty. JOE PATERNO was responsible for his underlings...that's the way of the world, especially in our knee-jerk society.
One issue was at the time of this incident Sandusky wasn't one of Paterno's underlings; he had been retired for 3 years. Why he had a key to the locker room is anybody's guess, but he didn't work there. Was everything done that should have been? No. We can all say that now with certainty because we KNOW what happened. At the time why would Paterno think he would need to report it to anyone other than his bosses and the head of the university police?

In addition to being responsible FOR your underlings (which Sandusky wasn't at the time), you are also responsible TO them. You can't just hang them out to dry without knowing 100% what they did. Without seeing it himself he had no way of knowing. If someone told YOUR boss they saw you in the shower with a little boy and they were wrong, would you want your boss going to the police with that information? I didn't think so.

I find it hard to believe that Paterno knew nothing about Sandusky's history, but if Sandusky's wife didn't know I suppose it's possible Paterno didn't know either.

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A coach communicates with the AD all the time. If the AD didn't report it to the authorities, then Paterno should have. This was all about keeping Penn State out of the media. The plan back fired just a little.
I think they are in damage control now and firing Paterno is part of that plan. If they were really concerned with justice they would be on a quest to find the janitor that witnessed a similar act 2 years earlier and said nothing to anyone. He should be on his way to jail with the other two guys.

Paterno did report it to the head of the PSU police department. I don't know how their campus cops work there, but at my university they were a real police deparment. They might take a month or two to investigate and by the time you hear anything from them you've got other things to worry about.
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Sandusky was seen on the PSU campus as recent as one week ago. You'd think someone would ask the question "Hey, what ever happened with that child molesting thing he was accused of?".
Joe is a part of this. He's more than likely taking more heat than he should, but he is THE MAN at PSU. He says, they do, PERIOD. This happened in HIS locker room. He didn't rape those kids, but how many rapes could have been avoided had he spoken up? If ANYONE had spoken up?
He lost his job. An 84 year old man, in the last year of his contract, lost his job. That's the bottom line. It was a touchy situation and it's not outside the realm of reason to believe Joe was threatened into silence. But that doesn't matter, he should have spoken up. Joe losing his job means NOTHING when compared to what those kids when through. Joe has to live his remaining years with this on his conscience, and that's punishment enough. If this Sandusky guy is found guilty, he needs to be buried UNDER the prison, along with every administrator at PSU that covered this up.
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Although I do not share your level of madness, I do think their decision to fire the man is B.S.

He told his boss which is all he was "REQUIRED" to do. now if his boss choose to do nothing that is on him and fired he was. But the coach should NOT have been fired due to "Media Pressure" which is all this was "Media Pressure".

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Sorry but there is an ethical responsibility to report erroneous acts...and sexual assault on a child... is about as bad as it gets. I hope he has some guilt. In addition, he obviously has no character putting his football program before the wellbeing of a child. That is pretty crazy!

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didnt read all of these responses but i had a lot of respect for the man untill this, if he saw it going on he should have reported it to the police..this goes for others that saw it as well..apparently everyone just kept telling people higher up..when it was first seen the police should have been immediately notified..also you cant just say "oh but he's just the coach"..as the head coach you should not only represent the football team but the university as a whole, he should have taken better action and reported it to the proper athorities, not just pass the news on to someone else....like i said i had a lot of respect for him that something more should have been done and no matter what if your the head coach its going to reflect on you
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He deserves to be fired along with anyone else at that university that knowingly ignored a pedophile and did not report it to the appropriate authorities.

It's not about what he did do but what he did not do when made aware of the issue.

He did not knowingly ignore it

He told his boss,

He is a coach NOT the head man responsible for any action that should have been taken
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Although I do not share your level of madness, I do think their decision to fire the man is B.S.

He told his boss which is all he was "REQUIRED" to do. now if his boss choose to do nothing that is on him and fired he was. But the coach should NOT have been fired due to "Media Pressure" which is all this was "Media Pressure".

The Main Stream Media needs to STOP dictating how and what America gets so excited about.
if you were a boss and one of your employees witnessed a felony and did not report it to the police you wouldnt fire them? hmm
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Sandusky was seen on the PSU campus as recent as one week ago. You'd think someone would ask the question "Hey, what ever happened with that child molesting thing he was accused of?".
Joe is a part of this. He's more than likely taking more heat than he should, but he is THE MAN at PSU. He says, they do, PERIOD. This happened in HIS locker room. He didn't rape those kids, but how many rapes could have been avoided had he spoken up? If ANYONE had spoken up?
He lost his job. An 84 year old man, in the last year of his contract, lost his job. That's the bottom line. It was a touchy situation and it's not outside the realm of reason to believe Joe was threatened into silence. But that doesn't matter, he should have spoken up. Joe losing his job means NOTHING when compared to what those kids when through. Joe has to live his remaining years with this on his conscience, and that's punishment enough. If this Sandusky guy is found guilty, he needs to be buried UNDER the prison, along with every administrator at PSU that covered this up.

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He did not knowingly ignore it

He told his boss,

He is a coach NOT the head man responsible for any action that should have been taken
when you witness a felony, you dont just tell your boss, you report it to the police..telling your boss is just putting it off on someone else for them to handle, as a responsible adult and american icon you should take action..he deserved to fired.. do you want him setting an example for all of his college age athletes to think that its ok to witness some one being molested and not report it to the police?
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He did not knowingly ignore it

He told his boss,

He is a coach NOT the head man responsible for any action that should have been taken

If I knew someone sexually assulted a child and also knew nothign was being done about it even after I "told my boss".. I would then take action into my own hands. That is simply something that can NOT be swept under the rug. That is a poor excuse that he did what was right by only telling his boss.......just my humble opinion.
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At the time why would Paterno think he would need to report it to anyone other than his bosses and the head of the university police?


Paterno did report it to the head of the PSU police department.

I haven't read or heard of that until now.

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