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Old 05-18-2011, 08:24 AM   #1
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:41 AM   #2
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So I wonder what came of this.

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Old 05-18-2011, 05:12 PM   #3
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It's still being played out. Just hit the papers, but it happened a while ago.

Here's the initial incident;

Arrested by the Philadelphia Police for Open Carry

More discussion here;

Man claims audio posting prompted charges

and look around the PAFOA forum, quite a few threads.
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:08 PM   #4
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don't care what kind o paperwork he had, should have done what the cop said and got down on his knees as ordered. being a smart ass could have gotten him killed.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:08 AM   #5
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Why? He was doing nothing illegal. This is not a police state. And he was not being a smartass, he offered his paperwork from the beginning. The officer was being a foulmouthed thug.
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sorry sparky, can't agree, cop tells you to get on your knees and hands up, you are required to do so. i don't know of any permit that allows people to wear sidearms in philla.
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wonder they're going to replace "integrity" with on that shield? granted, the idiot shouldn't have walked down the streets of philly with an unconcealed weapon. however, the way the police treated him is beyond unethical. neat little experiment on his part, eh? "wonder if i'm going to get shot right away or if they'll exchange words first. i'll record it so they know"
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:19 PM   #8
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sorry sparky, can't agree, cop tells you to get on your knees and hands up, you are required to do so. i don't know of any permit that allows people to wear sidearms in philla.
Actually, carrying in public is 100% legal for any person who can legally own a firearm. In Philly, you only need an additional license.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:24 PM   #9
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In general Police Officers are a problem in todays society.. Some good ones out there, we have a at least one here that I am aware of. Problem is the way the majority of them act and treat people gives the good ones witch are few and far in between a bad rap.. Unfortunate...
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:28 PM   #10
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Larger cities are SO uncivilized! Around here, open carry is no big deal. I rarely do it myself, but see it from time to time. The only time I wear mine openly is when I'm repairing an ATM at a remote location with the safe open. I figure that's one instance where "it pays to advertise". The rest of the time, it's easily accessible but concealed.

Odd how some folks get their knickers in a knot when people exercise a constitutional right. It says "To keep and BEAR arms". The guy was breaking no law. If anyone should have been arrested, it was the cops.
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In general Police Officers are a problem in todays society.. Some good ones out there, we have a at least one here that I am aware of. Problem is the way the majority of them act and treat people gives the good ones witch are few and far in between a bad rap.. Unfortunate...
and sadly, the opposite side is true with civilians. the few terrible ones give a bad name to all the compliant ones.

all i have to say is

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What I want to know is (IN GENERAL) are the cops getting more brazen because the public is getting crazier, or is the public getting crazier because the cops are pushing them too far?
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:41 PM   #13
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Sheep are compliant. The rest of us know the law, and expect those paid to enforce it to know it as well.
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Sheep are compliant. The rest of us know the law, and expect those paid to enforce it to know it as well.
i had no idea what word to use there. compliant sounded good rofl.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:54 PM   #15
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The best thing that can happen now is the cop gets fired and the individual who was being compliant takes advatage of our sue happy society and goes after the officer and his department.. Although how much of that will happen, I am not sure even though it all should..
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:33 AM   #16
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Actually, carrying in public is 100% legal for any person who can legally own a firearm. In Philly, you only need an additional license.
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i stand corrected, but i still feel it is in your best interest to "comply" with police demands until you can talk to cop without him worried about getting his head blown off. he would have been more likely to listen when any form of lethal threat was removed.
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i stand corrected, but i still feel it is in your best interest to "comply" with police demands until you can talk to cop without him worried about getting his head blown off. he would have been more likely to listen when any form of lethal threat was removed.
i agree. even if the cop doesn't know the law, it's in your best interests.
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A lot of my friends that go to Temple have open-carry permits. It certainly isn't the people with legitimate registrations causing the problems in West Philly and North Philly that's for sure.

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Wow do all police use the f word that much?
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I'd have to side with the civilian in this situation. The OFC overreacted when making initial contact with the civilian. I'm in an area where everyone is carrying a firearm so approaching someone with your gun on them before making initial contact is not the way to handle it.

Let's not let the civilian off that easy though. He wanted this scenario. He was carrying in an area where it would have been in his best interest to conceal it and he was recording it in hopes of getting someone to react in an aggressive way. Also, when an OFC requests back up and a gun is involved, the additional OFC's only know what they see when they get there, which is a civilian with a gun that's not obeying commands.

Bad situation all around.
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On the whole I'd rather not be in Philadelphia.

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Old 05-21-2011, 03:05 PM   #22
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Why was he tape recording before the whole incident??....He did this to purposely get a "rise" out of the officer. The guy set the whole thing up. He knew it was gonna play out like it did. Stupid ass is lucky he didn't get filled with lead.


On the other hand the cop should know the laws to properly enforce them. He obviously got flustered and didnt know what to do with a armed cicvilian who is sort of not complying with his orders.

Who is wrong in this situation....BOTH OF THEM!
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A lot of officers do not know the law and that is no BS. Especially with hand gun laws.
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A lot of officers do not know the law and that is no BS. Especially with hand gun laws.
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like i get it theu freak out about guns cuz they want to keep their lives safe but honestly like really.

and yes maybe the guy coulda got on his knees for the cop. but i would be pissed if the douche wouldnt look at my paperwork either

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