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Old 08-31-2009, 11:39 AM   #1
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Physics 101

So I'm sitting here in my hotel room with not much to do but surf the web and think about things. Then this question came up that I'd read some time ago so I thought I'd give it a go on google.

The question was if you attach a slice of buttered bread on to a cats back(butter side up) and drop it off the roof of your house, which will hit the ground first.

Here is a page I found on the subject.


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Originally Posted by Harold G Sputsberry PHD
BUTTERED BREAD ON THE BACK OF A CAT: WHAT FALLS FIRST.

Daniel D. Van Hoy wrote:
>Just think: When you drop a cat from a few feet, it lands upright.
>Also think: When you drop a piece of buttered bread, it lands with
>the buttered side down
>Now think: If you strapped a piece of buttered bread to the back
>of a cat, which would land first.


First the source of the forces must be understood. The force acting on the
bread is not the butter, as some may think. Without the bread, butter
wouldn't land bread side up, and therefore the force could not possibly be
in the butter. We know the force is not the bread because it has been
experimentally proven that bread does not land any particular side down
without butter. The bread/butter force is caused by the fusing of bread and
butter particles together. This fusion causes energy to be released in the
form of shifting gravity and anti-gravity energy to opposite sides of the
bread/butter continuum. The gravity energy naturally shifts to the butter
since it is denser then the bread, while the anti-gravity energy shifts to
the bread side.

The energy in a cat for landing on its feet comes from the feet themselves.
This has been proven experimentally. Cats without feet have a near zero
success rate of landing on their feet. We will call this energy cat foot
energy.

Considering the equal but opposing bread/butter and cat foot forces one
would expect the cat to spin violently about its axis. However the strength
of these forces must be considered. A regular cat is not structurally
stable enough to withstand the torque the spinning causes. I should not
have to describe the way the cat's limbs give way, the way the legs wrench
around until the feet are on the same side of the cat as the butter. And
thus the cat can then land on its feet, butter side down.

We are now researching the possibility of using structurally reinforced
cats for levitation systems, but so far the cost is too high to be
practical. Several attempts at producing economically viable systems were
made by separating the feet so that the instability of the cat would not be
a factor. At first there was dificulty because there was no cat to tie the
bread to. Later it was discovered that when not attached to a cat the feet
lost their cat foot force over time. It is hypothesized that the feet need
to be living to exert the cat foot force, and so far no practical method
has been found for keeping the feet alive other than a cat.

Attempts are also being made to breed flat cats with no legs (only feet).

There are many other problems related with this method of levitation as you
may well imagine, but they are beyond the scope of this discussion.

Harold G Sputsberry PHD
Institute for Alternative Energy Research
Here is a link to the source - Science Jokes:2. PHYSICS : 2.21 THE BUTTERED BREAD ON CAT PROBLEM


He has some interesting ideas. What are your thoughts?

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i think that may cause a rip in the time-space continuum, sucking all life as we know it into the black hole that it would create. another possible outcome could be that the cat/buttered-bread specimen would never reach the ground. the "specimen" would reach exactly dead center between the height that it was dropped from and the floor which it were to land on (referred to as absolute center). once it reached "absolute center" the specimen would begin to spin, clockwise in the northern hemisphere, counter clockwise in the southern hemisphere. the spinning would start off slow, but then it would start to spin faster, and faster, and faster. it would spin so fast at absolute center that it would create a vortex that mimicked a black hole. it would suck the universe into the center of the vortex.
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Hmm. I doubt it would make a black hole or rip apart the space time continuum. I think it would act more along the lines of trying to put 2 magnets together of the same polarity. It would just sort of hover, unless someone were to give it a spin and then it would simply spin, slowing gradually with the resistance of air against the surfaces.
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I bet the Government is paying him to do this research.
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Hmm. I doubt it would make a black hole or rip apart the space time continuum. I think it would act more along the lines of trying to put 2 magnets together of the same polarity. It would just sort of hover, unless someone were to give it a spin and then it would simply spin, slowing gradually with the resistance of air against the surfaces.
you seriously underestimate the forces of gravity that act on these two objects. if i weren't so scared of the probability that it would rip the space time continuum i would try it myself. why do you think i go the 2 kitties? because they were cute? nay nay!! because i am working up the courage to test this theory and if i don't have cats, butter, and bread at my immediate disposal i may miss my opportunity.
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If your theory were correct, and I'm not saying it is, you are overestimating the structural integrity of the cat. It would fly apart long before the rotational force could open up a black hole or disrupt the space time continuum.
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If you feed a cat bread and butter, it might therefor fuse the cat foot force and bread butter force. This would have two possibilitied. The cat would levitate a postive outcome or have the negative effect and fall through the earth and end up in china to become General Tso's Chicken.

If one slice of bread and butter were on the cat's stomach and one on it's back, could the cat be thrown from the football stance creating the perfect spiral. The two bread butters forces would act equally upon eachother. The cat foot force would then cause the desired spiral as seen in many football passes. Would Micheal Vick be better at achieving this cat/ butter spiral or would he be worse?
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The unknown, or at least unstated factor of whether the bread is placed on the cat's back butter side up, or butter side down could seriously effect the outcome of the entire experiment.
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Negatory and negatory, Yote.......itz still gonna hit the ground either way!!! xo
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If your theory were correct, and I'm not saying it is, you are overestimating the structural integrity of the cat. It would fly apart long before the rotational force could open up a black hole or disrupt the space time continuum.
it is my opinion that you are wrong again. you have obviously not seen my kittehs play. they have an inordinate amount of structural integrity.
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it is my opinion that you are wrong again. you have obviously not seen my kittehs play. they have an inordinate amount of structural integrity.
Yes, but your not taking into account the differance the structural integrity of said cat versus your kittens.
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well, maybe we should use one of my kittehs.
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2 cats X 9 lives each = 18 attempts. Not bad odds. I have a cat that I will donate to the cause of science although I must warn you that she is extremely overweight and will probably find a way to eat said buttered bread on her descent.
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All I have to say is WTH did I even open this thread at 4:17 am?
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The unknown, or at least unstated factor of whether the bread is placed on the cat's back butter side up, or butter side down could seriously effect the outcome of the entire experiment.
This was covered in my first post. In parentheses it says butter side up. Now why on earth would you place a piece of buttered bread on a cats back with the butter side down.

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it is my opinion that you are wrong again. you have obviously not seen my kittehs play. they have an inordinate amount of structural integrity.
I will agree that your kittens have super kitty abilities, but for the sake of the experiment ordinary house cats should be used. Your kittens are of a rare variety and while JD makes a good point about having 18 tries with 2 cats, it will most likely take many more than 18 to have a successful outcome. How many tries did it take for the makers of WD-40 to get it right? 40 and that is just for displacing water. All of this is meaningless anyways because anyone with common sense would see that the cat will simply hover.

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All I have to say is WTH did I even open this thread at 4:17 am?
I think the real question here is why were you up at 4:17am.
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2 cats X 9 lives each = 18 attempts. Not bad odds. I have a cat that I will donate to the cause of science although I must warn you that she is extremely overweight and will probably find a way to eat said buttered bread on her descent.
i got coffee all over the screen.
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I have to order 15 male cats, 6-9 lbs. today for my Research Department, maybe I should change the ship-to address, that gives you 135 attempts.
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This was covered in my first post. In parentheses it says butter side up. Now why on earth would you place a piece of buttered bread on a cats back with the butter side down.
One on the back butter side down, one on the stomach butter side in = cat sandwich.


That is unless you are making a "grilled cat sandwich"!
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One on the back butter side down, one on the stomach butter side in = cat sandwich.


That is unless you are making a "grilled cat sandwich"!
Would that taste better or worse than grilled squirrel?
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One standing theory has just been disproven and could result in additional testing being required. The overweight feline in my manse has just fallen off a bookshelf while sleeping and has landed flat on her back. So now sleep must be considered into the trials and the cat foot force quotient is null and void.
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Meow. Can't see if this pic includes the bread or not.
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I don't know but it almost seems like they have achieved in making the cat feet on the same side of the buttered bread in that picture, while still keeping the cat alive.
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I have to order 15 male cats, 6-9 lbs. today for my Research Department, maybe I should change the ship-to address, that gives you 135 attempts.
Now that is "stepping up to the plate." Providing a lab and some good test subjects. At some point we're going to need some investors.

I can see it all now. In 20yrs we will all have flying cars powered by bread, butter, and cats.


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One on the back butter side down, one on the stomach butter side in = cat sandwich.


That is unless you are making a "grilled cat sandwich"!


Wonder if it tastes like chicken.

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